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Close to WP:SNOWBALL levels of consensus to keep the article as BC/AD. No reason for change given in proposal, only reasons in support are ideological and don't really address a good point raised by @Johnbod.
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Support Since the S. site was obviously built by "pagan" people, it would make sense to use BCE as that phrase (with Era at the end), is less theologically-ideologically charged than just BC. 94.21.229.41 (talk) 19:07, 10 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support It's more inclusive to secularists and non-Christian readers to use a non-religious dating nomenclature. Furthermore, the fields of study surrounding such sites, (archeology, anthropology, and so on) are largely science based fields of endeavour, which are increasingly moving towards adopting the BCE/CE format... Sometimes, though, it's just better to be on the right side of history; is it better, for example, to be considered as a John Butler, or a John Scopes? M R G WIKI999 (talk) 12:49, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That's an interesting take. "anno Domini nostri Jesu Christi" means "the year of our Lord Jesus Christ" which predates anything the Romans did...and at the same time, it's interesting to see this is where "Don" came from as a title. – The Grid (talk) 14:16, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Predates anything the Romans did... what? The Roman Empire was founded in 27 BCE. The anno domini calendar was devised in 525 CE and didn't come into widespread use until the 8th century. – Joe (talk) 14:24, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I do not see a reason to switch the dating system for this article per WP:ERA. The arguments I'm seeing for the change go beyond this article. – The Grid (talk) 14:00, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's not a change of dating system, just a syntax of dating. BC = BCE, and AD = CE... but the numbers would be exactly the the same, where 2023 AD = 2023 CE, just a modification to "Before Common Era" instead of "Before Christ" but numbers are identical. BeefsteakMaters (talk) 18:46, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Also, which Stonehenge do you mean? As the article explains, there were a number of phases of consruction, demolition and reconstruction. We don't even know for sure if the site was used continuously between phases. There are many Henges all over Britain whose purpose is not obvious today, that are like Stonehenge I and II. That it marked the midwinter sunrise seems to have appeared in Stonehenge III (NB this is speculative). The apparent marking of other celestial events came later still. Modern scientific conjectures are not wild guesses but nevertheless are trying to infer the purpose from the physical evidence, in the absence of any contemporary records. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 11:31, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
As stated at the top of this page "This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject" and above that "This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Stonehenge article". This thread comes under the former, not the latter. DerbyCountyinNZ(TalkContribs)21:22, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Hello i am a historian and i am researching about stone henge and would like to add some things to it so i wanted to ask if i can edit this source to add some things Abitd (talk) 20:51, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Surely either none of these incidents are noteworthy or they all are? It seems strange to have a whole section and attached separate article for a very minor act of vandalism of no historic significance that I can see 2001:4646:4DE6:0:45A9:D292:3490:391A (talk) 15:02, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The following sentence should be removed or seriously emended: "Whatever religious, mystical or spiritual elements were central to Stonehenge, its design includes a celestial observatory function, which might have allowed prediction of eclipse, solstice, equinox and other celestial events important to a contemporary religion"
This implies consensus about the "celestial observatory" function of Stonehenge, but all that is cited is Hawkins, GS (1966). Stonehenge Decoded, which as the rest of the article makes clear is far from generally accepted today (Cf. also Encyclopedia Brittanica s.v. Stonehenge, which makes the same point re Hawkins' work). 195.252.220.68 (talk) 00:29, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not done. I disagree and reverted the deletion pending further discussion. Nothing in the article questions Hawkins's conjecture about the design of the monument. Yes, there are other conjectures about the subsequent funerary use of the site but none that propose alternative theories that explain its multiple astronomical alignments and apparent functions as a lunisolar calendar. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 10:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's a conjecture, and the sentence proposed for removal reports it as an unchallenged fact. I'm not going to get into a battle of reversions here, but the OP above is correct - this theory is not universally accepted and we should not present it as such. GenevieveDEon (talk) 15:45, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hawkins was a professor of astronomy and I don't see that we can reasonably question his assessment of the astronomical alignments. But maybe we can find a more circumspect way of writing it? How about simply "It is conjectured that the design of the monument included a celestial observatory function, which might have allowed prediction of eclipse, solstice, equinox and other celestial events important to a contemporary religion". (citing Hawkins for the conjecture). Would that be acceptable? --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 16:45, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Hawkins book is well-known, but even if some of the claims in it are no longer accepted, but that does not justify removing the sentence entirely. It should certainly be rewritten; I would amend JMF's proposal to "It has been conjectured that the design of the monument included a celestial observatory function, which might allow prediction of eclipse, solstice, equinox and other celestial events important to the builders' belief system". — Preceding unsigned comment added by DerbyCountyinNZ (talk • contribs) 06:42, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]