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Redirects for discussion (RfD) is the place where potentially problematic redirects are discussed. Items usually stay listed for a week or so, after which they are deleted, kept, or retargeted.
- If you want to replace an unprotected redirect with an article, do not list it here. Turning redirects into articles is wholly encouraged. Be bold!
- If you want to move a page but a redirect is in the way, do not list it here. For non-controversial cases, place a technical request; if a discussion is required, then start a requested move.
- If you think a redirect points to the wrong target article, this is a good place to discuss what should be the proper target.
- Redirects should not be deleted just because they have no incoming links. Please do not use this as the only reason to delete a redirect. However, redirects that do have incoming links are sometimes deleted, so that is not a sufficient condition for keeping. (See § When should we delete a redirect? for more information.)
Please do not unilaterally rename or change the target of a redirect while it is under discussion. This adds unnecessary complication to the discussion for participants and closers.
Before listing a redirect for discussion[edit]
Please be aware of these general policies, which apply here as elsewhere:
- Wikipedia:Redirect – what redirects are, why they exist, and how they are used.
- Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion – which pages can be deleted without discussion; in particular the "General" and "Redirects" sections.
- Wikipedia:Deletion policy – how we delete things by consensus.
- Wikipedia:Guide to deletion – guidelines on discussion format and shorthand.
The guiding principles of RfD[edit]
- The purpose of a good redirect is to eliminate the possibility that readers will find themselves staring blankly at "Search results 1–10 out of 378" instead of the article they were looking for. If someone could plausibly enter the redirect's name when searching for the target article, it's a good redirect.
- Redirects are cheap. They take up little storage space and use very little bandwidth. It doesn't really hurt things if there are a few of them scattered around. On the flip side, deleting redirects is also cheap because recording the deletion takes up little storage space and uses very little bandwidth. There is no harm in deleting problematic redirects.
- If a good-faith RfD nomination proposes to delete a redirect and has no discussion after at least 7 days, the default result is delete.
- Redirects nominated in contravention of Wikipedia:Redirect will be speedily kept.
- RfD can also serve as a central discussion forum for debates about which page a redirect should target. In cases where retargeting the redirect could be considered controversial, it is advisable to leave a notice on the talk page of the redirect's current target page or the proposed target page to refer readers to the redirect's nomination to allow input and help form consensus for the redirect's target.
- Requests for deletion of redirects from one page's talk page to another's do not need to be listed here. Anyone can remove the redirect by blanking the page. The G6 criterion for speedy deletion may be appropriate.
- In discussions, always ask yourself whether or not a redirect would be helpful to the reader.
When should we delete a redirect?[edit]
This page is transcluded from Wikipedia:Redirect/Deletion reasons. (edit | history) |
The major reasons why deletion of redirects is harmful are:
- a redirect may contain non-trivial edit history;
- if a redirect is reasonably old (or is the result of moving a page that has been there for quite some time), then it is possible that its deletion will break incoming links (such links coming from older revisions of Wikipedia pages, from edit summaries, from other Wikimedia projects or from elsewhere on the internet, do not show up in "What links here").
Therefore consider the deletion only of either harmful redirects or of recent ones.
Reasons for deleting[edit]
You might want to delete a redirect if one or more of the following conditions is met (but note also the exceptions listed below this list):
- The redirect page makes it unreasonably difficult for users to locate similarly named articles via the search engine. For example, if the user searches for "New Articles", and is redirected to a disambiguation page for "Articles", it would take much longer to get to the newly added articles on Wikipedia.
- The redirect might cause confusion. For example, if "Adam B. Smith" was redirected to "Andrew B. Smith", because Andrew was accidentally called Adam in one source, this could cause confusion with the article on Adam Smith, so the redirect should be deleted.
- The redirect is offensive or abusive, such as redirecting "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" to "Joe Bloggs" (unless "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" is legitimately discussed in the article), or "Joe Bloggs" to "Loser". (Speedy deletion criterion G10 and G3 may apply.) See also § Neutrality of redirects.
- The redirect constitutes self-promotion or spam. (Speedy deletion criterion G11 may apply.)
- The redirect makes no sense, such as redirecting "Apple" to "Orange". (Speedy deletion criterion G1 may apply.)
- It is a cross-namespace redirect out of article space, such as one pointing into the User or Wikipedia namespace. The major exception to this rule are the pseudo-namespace shortcut redirects, which technically are in the main article space. Some long-standing cross-namespace redirects are also kept because of their long-standing history and potential usefulness. "MOS:" redirects, for example, are an exception to this rule. (Note also the existence of namespace aliases such as WP:. Speedy deletion criterion R2 may apply if the target namespace is something other than Category:, Template:, Wikipedia:, Help:, or Portal:.)
- If the redirect is broken, meaning it redirects to an article that does not exist, it can be immediately deleted under speedy deletion criterion G8. You should check that there is not an alternative place it could be appropriately redirected to first and that it has not become broken through vandalism.
- If the redirect is a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name that is not mentioned in the target, it is unlikely to be useful. In particular, redirects in a language other than English to a page whose subject is unrelated to that language (or a culture that speaks that language) should generally not be created. (Implausible typos or misnomers are candidates for speedy deletion criterion R3, if recently created.)
- If the target article needs to be moved to the redirect title, but the redirect has been edited before and has a history of its own, then the title needs to be freed up to make way for the move. If the move is uncontroversial, tag the redirect for G6 speedy deletion, or alternatively (with the
suppressredirect
user right; available to page movers and admins), perform a round-robin move. If not, take the article to Requested moves. - If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject.
Reasons for not deleting[edit]
However, avoid deleting such redirects if:
- They have a potentially useful page history, or an edit history that should be kept to comply with the licensing requirements for a merge (see Wikipedia:Merge and delete). On the other hand, if the redirect was created by renaming a page with that name, and the page history just mentions the renaming, and for one of the reasons above you want to delete the page, copy the page history to the Talk page of the article it redirects to. The act of renaming is useful page history, and even more so if there has been discussion on the page name.
- They would aid accidental linking and make the creation of duplicate articles less likely, whether by redirecting a plural to a singular, by redirecting a frequent misspelling to a correct spelling, by redirecting a misnomer to a correct term, by redirecting to a synonym, etc. In other words, redirects with no incoming links are not candidates for deletion on those grounds because they are of benefit to the browsing user. Some extra vigilance by editors will be required to minimize the occurrence of those frequent misspellings in the article texts because the linkified misspellings will not appear as broken links; consider tagging the redirect with the {{R from misspelling}} template to assist editors in monitoring these misspellings.
- They aid searches on certain terms. For example, users who might see the "Keystone State" mentioned somewhere but do not know what that refers to will be able to find out at the Pennsylvania (target) article.
- Deleting redirects runs the risk of breaking incoming or internal links. For example, redirects resulting from page moves should not normally be deleted without good reason. Links that have existed for a significant length of time, including CamelCase links (e.g. WolVes) and old subpage links, should be left alone in case there are any existing links on external pages pointing to them. See also Wikipedia:Link rot § Link rot on non-Wikimedia sites.
- Someone finds them useful. Hint: If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful—this is not because the other person is being untruthful, but because you browse Wikipedia in different ways. Evidence of usage can be gauged by using the wikishark or pageviews tool on the redirect to see the number of views it gets.
- The redirect is to a closely related word form, such as a plural form to a singular form.
Neutrality of redirects[edit]
Just as article titles using non-neutral language are permitted in some circumstances, so are such redirects. Because redirects are less visible to readers, more latitude is allowed in their names, therefore perceived lack of neutrality in redirect names is not a sufficient reason for their deletion. In most cases, non-neutral but verifiable redirects should point to neutrally titled articles about the subject of the term. Non-neutral redirects may be tagged with {{R from non-neutral name}}
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Non-neutral redirects are commonly created for three reasons:
- Articles that are created using non-neutral titles are routinely moved to a new neutral title, which leaves behind the old non-neutral title as a working redirect (e.g. Climategate → Climatic Research Unit email controversy).
- Articles created as POV forks may be deleted and replaced by a redirect pointing towards the article from which the fork originated (e.g. Barack Obama Muslim rumor → deleted and now redirected to Barack Obama religion conspiracy theories).
- The subject matter of articles may be represented by some sources outside Wikipedia in non-neutral terms. Such terms are generally avoided in Wikipedia article titles, per the words to avoid guidelines and the general neutral point of view policy. For instance the non-neutral expression "Attorneygate" is used to redirect to the neutrally titled Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy. The article in question has never used that title, but the redirect was created to provide an alternative means of reaching it because a number of press reports use the term.
The exceptions to this rule would be redirects that are not established terms and are unlikely to be useful, and therefore may be nominated for deletion, perhaps under deletion reason #3. However, if a redirect represents an established term that is used in multiple mainstream reliable sources, it should be kept even if non-neutral, as it will facilitate searches on such terms. Please keep in mind that RfD is not the place to resolve most editorial disputes.
Closing notes[edit]
- Details at Administrator instructions for RfD
Nominations should remain open, per policy, about a week before they are closed, unless they meet the general criteria for speedy deletion, the criteria for speedy deletion of a redirect, or are not valid redirect discussion requests (e.g. are actually move requests).
How to list a redirect for discussion[edit]
STEP I. | Tag the redirect(s).
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STEP II. | List the entry on RfD.
Click here to edit the section of RfD for today's entries.
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STEP III. | Notify users.
It is generally considered good practice to notify the creator and main contributors of the redirect(s) that you nominate. may be placed on the creator/main contributors' user talk page to provide notice of the discussion. Please replace RedirectName with the name of the respective creator/main contributors' redirect and use an edit summary such as: Notice of redirect discussion at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]]
Notices about the RfD discussion may also be left on relevant talk pages. |
- Please consider using What links here to locate other redirects that may be related to the one you are nominating. After going to the redirect target page and selecting "What links here" in the toolbox on the left side of your computer screen, select both "Hide transclusions" and "Hide links" filters to display the redirects to the redirect target page.
If this page has been recently modified, it may not reflect the most recent changes. Please purge this page to view the most recent changes. |
Current list[edit]
June 26[edit]
MOS:TITLETYPOCON[edit]
- MOS:TITLETYPOCON → Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Archive 228#Silently correct an error if it's in a title? (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I'm wondering if this discussion is significant enought to have its own redirect from main space to an archived project talk page. There are only a handful of these as you can see here and I think that they should be limited to ones that editors might commonly use. I doubt whether anyone but the redirect creator knows about this one. Liz Read! Talk! 18:31, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Petapixel[edit]
Aside from the "Petapixel redirects here", not mentioned in page. I can't find any discussion of the concept of a petapixel image to see if it should be mentioned in the page, search results are completely shadowed by PetaPixel. Possibly this should redirect there? Rusalkii (talk) 18:16, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment peta- is an SI prefix. JoshuaAuble (talk) 19:15, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Sydney Powell[edit]
- Sydney Powell → Sidney Powell (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete. "Sydney" is an unlikely misspelling for "Sidney". Sydney is a convicted murderer who is in the news now, and I suspect most people searching for "Sydney" are looking for the murderer, not the attorney. GA-RT-22 (talk) 18:00, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Sydney is actually an extremely likely misspelling for Sidney-- given "Sydney" is how the city in Australia is spelled, I would expect most people who have heard of Sidney but haven't seen the name written out (perhaps they learned of her over the radio) to assume the name was written as "Sydney"-- and I would also expect people to forget that it's spelled Sidney, remember how it's pronounced, and write it Sydney expecting it to be spelled the same way as said Australian city. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 20:46, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Horse with a horn[edit]
Delete as an ambiguous term. Other animals have been called "horse with horn(s)" e.g. a deer in [1] (which relates to a quote from the 2001 Austrian Grand Prix) and the fact that some horses have a horn like structure [2]. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:05, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Isn't this literally a reverse of the "Unicorn without a horn > Horse" redirect we were discussing a while back? In any case, adding information on horses with horn-like structures to the Horse article (with a potential hatnote to Unicorn) could be a worthwhile endeavor, like how we added the Hornless Unicorn section to the Unicorn article. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 11:21, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Overly vague, not helpful for search. The search function can do its job here. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:36, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: This description is roughly mentioned at the target, and at a number of other reputable dictionaries:
- Unicorn:
In European literature and art, the unicorn has for the last thousand years or so been depicted as a white horse- or goat-like animal with a long straight horn...
- Encyclopædia Britannica:
Unicorn, mythological animal resembling a horse or a goat with a single horn on its forehead.
- Oxford English Dictionary
A fabulous and legendary animal usually regarded as having the body of a horse with a single horn projecting from its forehead...
- Dictionary.com
a mythical creature resembling a horse, with a single horn in the center of its forehead: often symbolic of chastity or purity.
- Cambridge Dictionary
an imaginary white creature like a horse with a single horn growing from the front of its head
- Merriam-Webster
a mythical, usually white animal generally depicted with the body and head of a horse with long flowing mane and tail and a single often spiraled horn in the middle of the forehead
- Collins English Dictionary
In stories and legends, a unicorn is an imaginary animal that looks like a white horse and has a horn growing from its forehead.
- Unicorn:
- So, aside from the hundreds of examples online if you do any type of search for "horse with a horn", which lead to unicorns or memes or cosplays of horses with a horn being unicorns, I'd argue it's definitely the expected result and makes sense as a target. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:41, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - No one is going to search for the term "horse with a horn". I was part of that other discussion which was relisted repeatedly and went on for two months until I spent two days looking for hornless unicorns to add a section for that redirect to land on—which was not a horse! My same arguments apply here: (1) no one is going to search for the term, (2) adding a horn to a horse does not make it a unicorn, and (3) there are no citations to support "horse with a horn = unicorn" nor a proper landing spot (the redirect itself represents original research). Other discussion was here: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 8 § Hornless unicorn ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 17:36, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment while other animals may be called a "horse with a horn", it does look like the vast majority of usage refers to a unicorn - I search the phrase and at least the first three pages of google results are 100% unicorns. Rusalkii (talk) 19:48, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Puddle thinking[edit]
- Puddle thinking → Fine-tuned universe#In popular culture (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned anymore at the target page. Puddle thinking was merged to Fine-tuned universe in 2010 (diff), and the relevant content was removed in 2020 (diff). Tea2min (talk) 09:22, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. There's some ancient discussion prior to the merge at Talk:Anthropic principle/Archive 2#Merge of Puddle thinking and Talk:Fine-tuned universe/Archive 5#Merge puddle thinking here?. Tea2min (talk) 09:27, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Trademark Law Treaty[edit]
- Trademark Law Treaty → Trademark#Singapore Trademark Law Treaty (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Those are two different treaties. The redirection creates confusion. I suggest deletion of the redirection Anthere (talk) 18:00, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Create a set index article at this title. There are three main international trademark treaties, the WIPO 1994, Singapore, and the Madrid Protocol, and we should have one place that lists them all, and possibly any notable bilateral treaties that may exist. BD2412 T 20:25, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, and the International (Nice) Classification of Goods and Services. BD2412 T 20:58, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- I have created Trademark Law Treaty of 1994. BD2412 T 21:43, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- I like this idea ! Anthere (talk) 06:05, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Thryduulf (talk) 09:07, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support the set index article I have started a draft of the SIA below the redirect. It lists all the mentioned articles plus the TRIPS Agreement. --Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 12:00, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Woketard[edit]
- Woketard → Woke (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Woketards → Woke (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
While I am aware that WP:NPOV is less of a concern for redirects as they are less likely to face the general public directly, I do question the rationale for the existence of these redirects.
Surely anyone searching for woketard(s), will already need to type the word woke, and I am sure that any quote in an article that could possibly benefit from bluelinking woketard could surely just pipelink it.
I am not strongly of the mind that "These should not exist on Wikipedia", though I do feel as though they are needlessly inflammatory and likely unnecessary. The article for Woke does not mention Woketards anywhere including in the as a pejorative section.
Primarily, I am leaning towards deletion for these redirects, if consensus aligns with them being valid, I am not opposed to the target being narrowed down to the as a pejorative section. IceBergYYC (talk) 05:18, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Soft redirect to Wiktionary There is an entry in Wiktionary. Ca talk to me! 11:40, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Normally I'm all for keeping pejorative redirects as per WP:RNEUTRAL; however, nom questions the usefulness of this one and I'm inclined to agree. This is nothing more than a simple portmanteau of "Woke" and "-tard"; anyone with half a brain can disassemble the portmanteau, and from there, figure out what this means. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 14:03, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - per Lunamann. It appears the same user that created these also just created 3 more that similarly are unmentioned at the target - Wokester, Wokie and Wokies - should we include those 3 as well in this RFD? Raladic (talk) 05:42, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm a little more of the mind that those three would be fine as redirects if retargeted specifically to the as a pejorative section of the article. Not opposed to their deletion as well, but more interested in the two originals from the nom based on the higher degree of being needlessly inflammatory. IceBergYYC (talk) 20:34, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with IceBergYYC-- those three don't have the -tard suffix and thus have a higher likelihood of refinement as opposed to outright deletion (and are simply minor modifications of the target word with the simple meaning "people who are woke (pejorative)"). If anything, those three should be grouped together; but as a separate listing.
Just because I would vote delete myself, doesn't mean that I see it going the same exact way. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 11:37, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete If not legitimately mentioned in the article, it is simply an insult and should be speedy-deleted. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:37, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Crosswiki to Wiktionary - It's just a word. May as well define it and move on. Fieari (talk) 04:00, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Participants are split between deleting and soft redirecting. Relisting for further input.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 08:16, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Weak cross-wiki to wiktionary definition, since we have it, and since not everyone who sees it knows the meaning of "woke". Rusalkii (talk) 20:04, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
2025 Emilia Romagna Grand Prix[edit]
- 2025 Emilia Romagna Grand Prix → 2025 Formula One World Championship (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
WP:TOOSOON. Martintalk 02:20, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep – Too soon for what? What problem is this nomination trying to solve? 5225C (talk • contributions) 02:39, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- We don't even know if the grand prix is actually happening, maybe its a case of WP:CRYSTAL? Why does other pages doesn't have redirect but only this one does? Martintalk 17:47, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. This nomination makes no sense. WP:TOOSOON is an argument against article creation. It does not apply to redirects. And I can't think of another reason to alter this redirect. (I am not watching this page, so please ping me if you want my attention.) SSSB (talk) 06:43, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Refine to 2025 Formula One World Championship#Calendar. While TOOSOON is an argument that does make sense for redirects when there isn't yet any content about the search term (see e.g. Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 April 5#UEFA Euro 2032 qualifying), it doesn't apply here though as the target (specifically the Calendar section) does have information about the event (specifically its date and location). There is no relevant content at Emilia Romagna Grand Prix so that would not make a good target. Thryduulf (talk) 09:27, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Amanda the Adventurer[edit]
- Amanda the Adventurer → 2023 in video games#Amanda the Adventurer (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Here is another redirect created for another non-notable video game which probably doesn't meet Wikipedia's GNG. It has 3 backlinks, all of which are just Draft content. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 02:13, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep redirects subjects don't need to meet WP:N to exist. It seems to an unambiguous on enwiki currently and goes to a decent mention. I'd be fine with a retarget to its publisher, Dread Central#DreadXP, maybe but right now the 2023 article actually has more information. Skynxnex (talk) 05:08, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support retarget ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 06:46, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy keep; nominator has failed to provide a valid rationale for deletion. Jalen Folf (Bark[s]) 05:16, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Additionally, WP:VG has been notifed of this discussion. Jalen Folf (Bark[s]) 05:37, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Redirects have no notability criteria, only ambiguity/usefulness/appropriate target criteria. Fieari (talk) 05:35, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep; retarget would be a good idea if the new target had more info on the subject than current target. Current target has more info, and thus, is currently the better target. We can revisit this redirect if/when the balance shifts; for now, no change. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 11:23, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Quinton de Penis[edit]
- Quinton de Penis → Quinton de Kock (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No evidence this offensive nickname has actually been used to refer to this person. IMO an R3 but taking it to RfD instead per the creator's request. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:01, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, borderline G3, appears to have been created as a joke; implausible misnomer. I don't believe anyone with the surname de Kock has had it rendered as penis in any reliable source. Page creator has claimed without evidence that this is a valid mistranslation, despite the fact that none of the common machine translation services produce this rendering. The additional community scrutiny this will now garner will likely make them regret requesting an RFD, but some people just can't take a hint. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:AD5A:8B6:5AD6:C4BE (talk) 02:28, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's not a G3 - the G3 criterion is based on the mind of the creator. If it was their intent to harm Wikipedia, then it's vandalism and can be speedied as such. If it was their intent to help Wikipedia, even if you consider their actions misguided, then it's WP:NOTVANDALISM and not a G3 case. R3 is based (in theory) on an objective evaluation of the plausibility of the redirect rather than reading the creator's mind, so I think it does apply, but when I saw this at CAT:CSD I was willing to honor the creator's request to discuss it first. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:03, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- A good deal of vandalism consists of jokes of various kinds, however juvenile, which I imagine in the minds of the jokers constitute improvements, or "help" if you will given they probably percieve Wikipedia as dull, staid, and in need of enlivenment. In this case the edit summary on creation here gives away the game with regard to the creator's mindset, and perhaps a certain demographic does indeed find this amusing, but as I said borderline.
- I actually prefer RFD to speedy as it creates clearer consensus and is better in every way except volume management especially in creating clearer consensus. But when the community has designated certain pages for a flow that maximizes volume management that procedure should be followed unless there is a valid reason not to. And for speedy deletion the community has decided that bare objections by page creators don't count. But sometimes a third party will intervene and then there is a valid reason; happened a few times when I was doing the initial X3 runs earlier and IMO helped solidify community consensus in favor of X3, but it would have been improper to start those without valid reason, needed someone else object first. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:886A:FBAE:31BA:5FC9 (talk) 04:23, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's not a G3 - the G3 criterion is based on the mind of the creator. If it was their intent to harm Wikipedia, then it's vandalism and can be speedied as such. If it was their intent to help Wikipedia, even if you consider their actions misguided, then it's WP:NOTVANDALISM and not a G3 case. R3 is based (in theory) on an objective evaluation of the plausibility of the redirect rather than reading the creator's mind, so I think it does apply, but when I saw this at CAT:CSD I was willing to honor the creator's request to discuss it first. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:03, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - Nonsense joke redirect. Fieari (talk) 05:38, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete for BLP reasons. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 06:44, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep valid mis translation. His surname has "de" in it, and that could cause a website to auto translate to this by mistake. No bad intention was intended by this redirect. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:11, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete slowly. I agree this is not vandalism but it is also not useful. Thryduulf (talk) 09:40, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
I Am Fish[edit]
- I Am Fish → Bossa Studios#Games developed (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
A redirect created for the sake of a non-notable video game that does not have its own article. This following redirect has three backlinks though, which are:
Curve Games (the publisher of I Am Fish). List of Xbox One games. List of Xbox Series X and Series S games. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 02:01, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep since the game is mentioned at the target. No valid reason for deletion. CycloneYoris talk! 05:03, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, are you talking about the thing that says "To a section: This is a redirect from a topic that does not blah blah blah "?? Because that doesn't make sense in my book. It was created in sake of a non-notable video game, whose only backlinks to this redirect are its publisher and two Xbox-related games lists. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 05:10, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- The fact that the game is non-notable is completely irrelevant. This is still a valid redirect, and readers searching for this game will surely find it helpful. CycloneYoris talk! 05:29, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as subjects of redirects don't need to meet WP:N, has information at target, and is unambiguous enough on enwiki. Skynxnex (talk) 05:12, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy keep; nominator has failed to provide a valid rationale for deletion. Jalen Folf (Bark[s]) 05:16, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- So the fact that it being a redirect to a non-notable video game does not count as "Valid reason" What you are even.... QuantumFoam66 (talk) 05:19, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- All the other voters are saying the same thing: the mention at the target is sufficient enough; non-notability is not a valid reason to delete something that can alternatively be served by a redirect. Jalen Folf (Bark[s]) 05:21, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Additionally, WP:VG has been notifed of this discussion. Jalen Folf (Bark[s]) 05:37, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- So the fact that it being a redirect to a non-notable video game does not count as "Valid reason" What you are even.... QuantumFoam66 (talk) 05:19, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Redirects have no notability criteria. We have information on the subject of this redirect, thus we redirect to it. Fieari (talk) 05:39, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The main and only two criterion for a redirect is; is the redirect Plausible (i.e. is it within realm of possibility that someone could type it into the search bar), and is it Useful (i.e. does it take the reader to the information that they wanted to get). Any further criterion are, when you boil it down, some sort of elaboration on plausibility or usefulness. Notability is neither. If information on I Am Fish is not notable enough to be on Wikipedia, then the redirect isn't what you should challenge-- you should challenge the actual information's inclusion on the Bossa Studios page.As it stands, not only is the redirect Plausible (anyone who's heard of the game I Am Fish could easily type it into the search bar), it's also Useful (it takes the reader directly to all the information Wikipedia has on the game I Am Fish). Therefore, we keep this redirect. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 11:28, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
June 25[edit]
Brexit means breakfast[edit]
- Brexit means breakfast → Malapropism#Real-life examples (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in target (was mentioned in a citation which I have recently removed, but not article text) GnocchiFan (talk) 22:50, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Not sure why a redirect needs to explicitly be referenced in the target? Deku-shrub (talk) 09:01, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Because otherwise we would have hundreds of malapropisms redirect to this target, with no indication of notability. GnocchiFan (talk) 12:03, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- user:Lunamann/Please, put Pandora back in the box 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 01:02, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Because otherwise we would have hundreds of malapropisms redirect to this target, with no indication of notability. GnocchiFan (talk) 12:03, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Not sure why a redirect needs to explicitly be referenced in the target? Deku-shrub (talk) 09:01, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep without requirement of mention at target. Or... more clearly, Refine to no subsection. To answer Gnocchi's concern about hundreds of malapropisms, no need-- it shouldn't open any floodgates, as this one is in fact attested. Anyone searching this phrase is clearly coming from the news article about it. The fact that it redirects to Malapropism will be all it takes to explain what the news article is talking about... someone made a silly error of speech. Thus the user is informed and can move on with their day. No need for a mention, as the article would not be enriched by the inclusion... the mere existence of the redirect should be enough to convey what needs to be conveyed. Fieari (talk) 05:44, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep per Fieari. Someone using this redirect will be educated by its existence, someone not using the redirect will be completely unaffected. Thryduulf (talk) 09:16, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Furiosa Road[edit]
- Furiosa Road → Mad Max: Fury Road (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not sure how plausible this search term is but if kept, would Furiosa: A Mad Max Saga be a more appropriate target? मल्ल (talk) 22:39, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as is I take you you didn't watch "Furiosa: A Mad Max Saga", since that isn't a road movie. "Mad Max: Fury Road" is a road movie. "Furiosa Road" was a common nickname for the film when it was released. [3][4][5][6][7] -- so is a good search term. -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 04:08, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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Minor league player redirects[edit]
- Luis Reyes (baseball) → Washington Nationals minor league players#Luis Reyes (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Chris Williams (baseball) → Minnesota Twins minor league players#Chris Williams (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Hunter Bigge → Chicago Cubs minor league players#Hunter Bigge (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Riley Martin (baseball) → Chicago Cubs minor league players#Riley Martin (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Eddy Demurias → Cincinnati Reds minor league players#Eddy Demurias (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Steven Williams (baseball) → Washington Nationals minor league players#Steven Williams (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Drew Mount → Cincinnati Reds minor league players#Drew Mount (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Bryce Windham → Chicago Cubs minor league players#Bryce Windham (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Jake Washer → Chicago Cubs minor league players#Jake Washer (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Walter Pennington → Kansas City Royals minor league players (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
We use these "minor league players" articles for incubating Minor League Baseball players who do not appear to meet GNG yet, but could soon. These redirects were created without a relevant section on these players at their target article, lack relevant history, and should be deleted. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:38, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Peanut butter burger[edit]
- Peanut butter burger → Peanut butter, banana and bacon sandwich (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I cannot find any references referring to the target as such. However, on third party search engines, I did find recipes for burger sandwiches containing peanut butter and a ground beef patty, which is not what the target article is about. Steel1943 (talk) 20:00, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Not sure what you mean. It's the Elvis sandwich. The article is about that. They sold peanut butter burgers at Sonic Drive-In for a while there. It was just a variant of the Elvis sandwich. Here is where the article discusses peanut butter burgers. Noah Tall (talk) 05:34, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don't know about you but around here peanut butter burgers have nothing to do with Elvis. It's your standard burger, but you replace the sauce/mayonaise/condiments with peanut butter. E.g. [8] "PEANUT BUTTER BURGER: Fresh beef patty, peanut butter (on both buns), lettuce, tomato, onions, pickles, cheddar cheese, and bacon."
- Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 21:34, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not so sure, Noah. Here's an article about the Sonic peanut butter burger, and it clearly has a ground beef patty and no bananas in sight. Also, the "discussion" in the article regarding peanut butter burgers is a single sentence, which could be easily removed from the article without breaking the flow of the article, only states that "burgers done Elvis style have become increasingly popular in the United States", and whose only source given is this recipe for an Elvis burger. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 09:21, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Discussion thus far seems to lean towards deletion arguments, but participants haven't clearly indicated that they support this outcome.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 15:53, 25 June 2024 (UTC)- For the record, yes, my vote is to Delete based on my comment above. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 19:28, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Karli Smith[edit]
- Karli Smith → Indianapolis FedEx shooting (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Samaria Blackwell → Indianapolis FedEx shooting (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- John Weisert → Indianapolis FedEx shooting (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Amarjit Sekhon → Indianapolis FedEx shooting (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Jasvinder Kaur → Indianapolis FedEx shooting (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Amarjeet Johal → Indianapolis FedEx shooting (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Victims of a shooting generally do not have articles unless they become notable in their own right. It isn't appropriate to associate a search term of their names with an event which took their life. The individuals would already appear in search results on the event article without the need of an explicit redirect. I am unsure if there is specific policy around this, as WP:VICTIM merely mentions outright articles specifically. Bungle (talk • contribs) 09:12, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- well other victims of shootings typically get redirected to the shooting article. Sandy Hook Elementary school shooting for example. Victims such as Allison Wyatt, Grace McDonnell etc have redirects. Elizzaflanagan221 (talk) 12:28, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Your argument that WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is poor and is not in itself a reason why the aforementioned should be kept as redirects. We have to ask for what benefit and purpose does an article or redirect serve in its existence? I don't see any value in these redirects and as the victims are all deceased, cannot decide themselves if they'd want their identities associated with such an atrocity. I don't see any policy specific to this circumstance, which is probably why there is no agreed precedent. Bungle (talk • contribs) 13:24, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- well like i said, most articles on mass tragedy events have redirects with the victims names. If you think its morally wrong or u dont agree with it, you should make this a bigger discussion and not just solely on the FedEx shooting. Elizzaflanagan221 (talk) 17:18, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- I hear what you're saying, but a poor existing precedent (generally speaking) isn't necessary justification to pursue further of a similar nature. That is the reason I brought them to rfd, as it's a community decision, not solely my own view. As for the bigger discussion, maybe it is warranted, but it's quite a minefield and this only concerns these redirects yet to be reviewed. If the consensus is to keep, then it's a moot point anyway, though in such a scenario i'd hope to see a better rationale than "others exist too". Bungle (talk • contribs) 21:54, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Existing precedent is the primary source of policies and guidelines, assuming that the policies Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines and Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not are to be believed. If we have no written rule against it, and it is frequently done, then it probably is the community's normal practice to do this. WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:18, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- I hear what you're saying, but a poor existing precedent (generally speaking) isn't necessary justification to pursue further of a similar nature. That is the reason I brought them to rfd, as it's a community decision, not solely my own view. As for the bigger discussion, maybe it is warranted, but it's quite a minefield and this only concerns these redirects yet to be reviewed. If the consensus is to keep, then it's a moot point anyway, though in such a scenario i'd hope to see a better rationale than "others exist too". Bungle (talk • contribs) 21:54, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS does not say "Wikipedia users are forbidden from using logical induction". jp×g🗯️ 17:43, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- well like i said, most articles on mass tragedy events have redirects with the victims names. If you think its morally wrong or u dont agree with it, you should make this a bigger discussion and not just solely on the FedEx shooting. Elizzaflanagan221 (talk) 17:18, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Your argument that WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is poor and is not in itself a reason why the aforementioned should be kept as redirects. We have to ask for what benefit and purpose does an article or redirect serve in its existence? I don't see any value in these redirects and as the victims are all deceased, cannot decide themselves if they'd want their identities associated with such an atrocity. I don't see any policy specific to this circumstance, which is probably why there is no agreed precedent. Bungle (talk • contribs) 13:24, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. I'm surprised there isn't a clear policy on this. We should be guided by WP:RPURPOSE. If the victim's name is widely known enough that "Killing of EXAMPLE" is a plausible article title and existing redirect, then I accept a redirect from "EXAMPLE" as well, because it is a plausible way that a reader might search for the relevant article, eg. Philando Castile, Jeff Doucet. Otherwise, I think we should avoid these redirects. I hold this position even, and maybe even especially, if the person is approaching notability for an article in their own right for reasons unrelated to their death. If there are other relevant articles on their life apart from their death, we don't want to usurp those by redirecting rather than showing search results. Daask (talk) 22:34, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, anyone searching for any of these people will be redirected to the only information Wikipedia has on them. -- Tavix (talk) 18:23, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- I feel like this entirely misses the point I made in the rationale. Besides, the event article doesn't actually hold information on the individuals (besides age). Relying on search results alone would still return this article, plus any unrelated articles mentioning an unrelated individual by the same name (which touches a little on Jay's thoughts below, although I disagree with the suggestion that we keep any). Bungle (talk • contribs) 14:20, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- As below:
- Karli Smith - Delete in preference to search results as she is also an Australian beauty pageant contestant
- Samaria Blackwell - Keep per Tavix
- John Weisert - Delete in preference to search results as also the name of a tobacco company
- Amarjit Sekhon - Keep, also mentioned wrt the shooting at Indian Americans
- Jasvinder Kaur - Delete in preference to search results - very common name, seen in multiple articles, also spelled as Jaswinder Kaur (with a w)
- Amarjeet Johal - Keep, also mentioned wrt the shooting at Indian Americans
- Jay 💬 06:43, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
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Ruby and Sapphire[edit]
- Ruby and Sapphire → Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Ruby / Sapphire → Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Ruby and sapphire → Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
it pains me to say this, but the pokémon games don't seem to be the primary topic for mentions of those two specific minerals together. torn on retargeting to garnet (steven universe) as she's a fusion of the characters known as ruby and sapphire, to the list of steven universe characters as it includes ruby and sapphire, or just deleting, but will lean towards retargeting to the list cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:53, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep Ruby and Sapphire as marginally the primary tropic for that capitalization (over the Steven character{s}). Retarget Ruby and sapphire to Corundum as the primary topic for that capitalization. Delete Ruby / Sapphire due to ill-formatting and ambiguity. Hatnote as appropriate. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 20:37, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Ruby / Sapphire and Retarget Ruby and sapphire as per Godsy; his argument as per Ruby / Sapphire being ambiguous and poorly formatted is sound, and the lowercase "sapphire" means that it shouldn't be taken to be a proper name. Keep with hatnote Ruby and Sapphire; while Garnet is and remains my favorite ship (and ship name) in all of media, I find the idea that she's Primary here (over the best-selling GBA title) to be a case of WP:RECENTISM. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 21:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate Ruby and Sapphire as there are multiple possible meanings. Retarget Ruby and sapphire to the disambiguation and delete the third one as oddly formatted. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:43, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Ruby / Sapphire, ambiguously weird formatting. Keep Ruby and Sapphire, considering long-term cultural significance I think the Pokémon games win the primary topic here. Weak keep Ruby and sapphire, considering the non-proper case it could be retargeted to Corundum but I think the Pokémon games still stand. Generally I oppose making a disambiguation page as I don't think there are enough notable meanings to support it. TappyTurtle [talk | contribs] 15:17, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate Ruby and sapphire and retarget the other two there. (Oinkers42) (talk) 17:30, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: Noting that Ruby & Sapphire wasn't included in this nomination. Also, possibly relevant, but I once successfully nominated Red, Blue, and Yellow, Red, Blue and Yellow, and Red Blue and Yellow for retargeting to Primary color#Red, yellow, and blue as primary colors (link here). Depending on the outcome here it could also be worth considering whether Gold Silver and Crystal, Gold, Silver and Crystal, Gold, Silver, and Crystal, which redirect to Pokémon Gold and Silver, are appropriate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hey man im josh (talk • contribs) 12:15, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- didn't notice that i forgot to nominate that first one, whoops
- for the redirects to three entries, i didn't really bother because those specific groups of minerals don't tend to be clumped together as often outside of the context of pokémon (give or take crystal in other rpgs). i guess it's only a matter of time until a diamond and a pearl fusing somehow results in platinum, leading to age-long fandom wars, but until then, eh
- that aside, my vote can be changed to dabifying ruby and sapphire (lowercase s), retargeting the others to that, and deleting ruby / sapphire cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:41, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- I mean, the thing is, "red, blue, and yellow" definitely have the primary colors as primary target (ha), but I'm a lot iffier on corundum being the primary target for Ruby and Sapphire-- I'd say that your average layman might not know about the existence of corundum and the fact that ruby and sapphire are technically the same type of crystal. Hence why my original vote was to retarget the lowercase "Ruby and sapphire" to corundum, and allowing the capitalized versions to stay as per WP:DIFFCAPS.I wouldn't think that the Gold, Silver, and Crystal redirects should be moved at all-- while gold and silver together as a concept are very much not unique to Pokemon (heck, a certain stop-motion animation would lead us to believe it's mostly associated with christmas trees), add "crystal" to the mix and it's pretty unassailably the Johto GBC games. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 14:09, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate Ruby and Sapphire as it seems there's not one clear target. – The Grid (talk) 18:03, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
International Networking Working Group[edit]
- International Networking Working Group → International Network Working Group (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This article, which I created, uses an incorrect title. I moved it to the correct title but the redirect is not a name ever used in sources for this topic, so it's not a plausible alternative name that could justify a redirect. No articles link here. Propose deleting it to avoid confusion or it becoming a Wikipedia reflection on the Internet Whizz40 (talk) 18:06, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
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Frank Blackmore (Emmerdale)[edit]
- Frank Blackmore (Emmerdale) → List of Emmerdale characters#Detective Inspector Frank Blackmore (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- DI Frank Blackmore → List of Emmerdale characters#Detective Inspector Frank Blackmore (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- DS Frank Blackmore → List of Emmerdale characters#Detective Inspector Frank Blackmore (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Since this is redirects for discussion and not deletion, when was the last time Frank Blackmore was mentioned here or in List of former Emmerdale characters? (in other words, not currently mentioned at target) Not only that, it was also a section link and now its broken. I wondered what had happened to it. Could this be retargeted to Daniel Coll where Frank Blackmore is mentioned?
I am also nominating DI Frank Blackmore for the exact same reason. (As a side note, I can't believe most of my edits today are to do with Emmerdale, where you normally sea me being involved with UK railways and video game related topics) JuniperChill (talk) 22:35, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
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- I have added him to the appropriate list – List of Emmerdale characters (2006)#Frank Blackmore – and have changed the 3 redirects to reflect this. Hence, I advocate for keep. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 13:49, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Now its safe to say that since the issue is fixed, this can be closed as "withdrawn" or "fixed" now. And well done on fixing the List of Emmerdale characters (2024) after I tagged it because it uses sources from Metro WP:METRO which is not reliable. JuniperChill (talk) 17:41, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Sdn Bhd[edit]
- Sdn Bhd → Private company limited by shares (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Sendirian Berhad → Private company limited by shares (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention in article Isla🏳️⚧ 00:50, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment added Sendirian Berhad to this nomination (the expansion of the abbreviation sdn bhd, which points to the same target). Best course of action here might be to add a mention at some existing Malaysia-specific article (e.g. Companies Commission of Malaysia) where it could fit as a subtopic, and retarget there temporarily as a {{R with possibilities}}. The current target is extremely UK-specific. 59.149.117.119 (talk) 06:20, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
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Chhota Bheem 1[edit]
- Chhota Bheem 1 → Chhota Bheem and the Curse of Damyaan (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Chhota Bheem 5 → Chhota Bheem and the Curse of Damyaan (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The redirects doesn't make any sense. M S Hassan (talk) 07:38, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- @M S Hassan: I made these redirects (when I was going through the list of Indian film series), as a chronological search aid for theatrical films in order of release for the series.
- These, 1 and 5, should be targetted to the relevant articles (for the 2012 and 2024 film) respectively. Cheers. Gotitbro (talk) 08:54, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- @M S Hassan: If you agree, we can close this. Jay 💬 05:23, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Jay No, I don't agree. If the redirects contained "movie" within them, then I would have agreed. M S Hassan (talk) 05:37, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- @M S Hassan: If you agree, we can close this. Jay 💬 05:23, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 05:42, 25 June 2024 (UTC)- While I'd normally argue that Hassan's incorrect in that the redirects need the word "movie" in order to make sense, there's a bigger issue-- Chhota Bheem 1 and Chhota Bheem 5 are *not* the 2012 and 2024 versions of Curse of Damyaan. From what I can tell, the Chhota Bheem article contains a chronologically-sorted list of all Chhota Bheem films-- and the first and fifth films are Chhota Bheem Aur Krishna and Chhota Bheem: Journey to Petra, respectively, neither of which have articles. Even if that list isn't sorted chronologically, the article for the 2012 version of the film explicitly states that it's the eleventh Chhota Bheem film, not the first.Delete, as we don't have articles or information for the correct targets beyond an entry each in the list of the greater Chhota Bheem article. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 12:06, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Factory owner[edit]
- Factory owner → Businessperson (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Comparing the current target of this redirect, the former targets Bourgeoisie and Means of production, and Factory which doesn't seem to mention "owner(s)" ... it does not seem that there is a specific article readers may be attempting to locate when searching this phrase. Steel1943 (talk) 23:54, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Another potential target is business magnate, which is where industrialist points. - Eureka Lott 00:41, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Weak retarget to business magnate as a {{R avoided double redirect}} of Industrialist. I wouldn't be opposed to disambiguation though as while I think the other suggests are less likely they aren't completely implausible. Thryduulf (talk) 08:50, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete I doubt readers are using "factory owner" to search up "business magnate". It is not a set phrase that means something other than the sum of its parts. Business magnate does not have any info about factories. It is too vague to be useful. Ca talk to me! 09:03, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Weak retarget to business magnate - agree with Ca that it is a bit vague - but the lead definition in the magnate article ("a powerful entrepreneur and investor who controls, through personal enterprise ownership or a dominant shareholding position, a firm or industry") does encapsulate factory owners, even though it's a little loose. BugGhost🪲👻 10:57, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don't believe all factory owners are business magnates though. Some factory owners run small, un-notable squeaky duck toy factories and I wouldn't call them "business magnates" or "tycoons" Ca talk to me! 14:11, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment - I feel that this phrase is significantly more commonly used in leftist discourse than otherwise. To non-leftist discourse, the factory owner is typically not a specific person or a social class but rather a legal entity such as a corporation, and would not generally be referred to as a "factory owner". I'm not sure business magnate is a good target, as while "factory owners" might be included there, said magnates also prominently includes non-factory non-"means of production" types of wealthy investors (such as Bill Gates and Rupert Murdoch), which would be outside the usual discourse brought up when the term factory owner is used. Can anyone really find instances of this term used in a non-leftist-discourse context? Fieari (talk)
Drake LaRoche[edit]
- Drake LaRoche → Adam LaRoche#Personal life (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Redirects to an article where there is no mention of him. Lost in Quebec (talk) 10:28, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere else on Wikipedia either. Steel1943 (talk) 19:46, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- He was mentioned on there, until that was removed. He should be mentioned, considering that he received wide coverage in connection with his father's retirement in 2016. This was not incidental naming, but news articles directly about Drake LaRoche.
- See: The Athletic (2021), NBC (on the "Drake LaRoche saga"), Sports Illustrated, Washington Post, CBS Sports, Sports Illustrated, again, etc. D. Benjamin Miller (talk) 01:31, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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Kristian Taska[edit]
- Kristian Taska → Taska Film (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
has SIGCOV, hence we need a red link to show that standalone article is missing in enwiki Estopedist1 (talk) 10:01, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Per the target article, without sources, seems the subject of the redirect has a WP:ONEEVENT-ish connection to its target, considering other subtopics of the subject of the redirect seem to not have articles. Steel1943 (talk) 19:44, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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Hendrik Sal-Saller[edit]
has SIGCOV, hence we need a red link to show that standalone article is missing in enwiki Estopedist1 (talk) 10:04, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep as a {{R from member}} since deleting the redirect would hinder navigation, even considering WP:RETURNTORED. That, and if the nominator sees the potential to create an article, nothing is really stopping them from overwriting the redirect with an article. Steel1943 (talk) 19:38, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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Template:WikiProject Open Access/OAFD[edit]
- Template:WikiProject Open Access/OAFD → Wikipedia:WikiProject Open/Open access task force/Open Access File of the Day (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Cross namespace redirect that existed for 22 minutes. Gonnym (talk) 10:13, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Template → Wikipedia CNRs are uncommon but only problematic if transcluding the target would be harmful in some way (or it conflicts with something else). In this case it's not harmful (transclusion works fine) and it doesn't appear to be in the way of anything else. That said it isn't transcluded anywhere and I can't think of a reason why it would be transcluded (unlike {{OAFD}}). Ultimately I think I'm neutral. Thryduulf (talk) 11:08, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Ignore - It's not that I'm expressly saying keep (although that would be the result of following my !vote here) I'm just saying that it's utterly harmless and not worthy of even the miniscule amount of time it would take to delete it. Fieari (talk) 23:59, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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Emigration from North Korea[edit]
- Emigration from North Korea → North Korean defectors (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This may refer to multiple topics. I propose to retarget it to Category:North Korean diaspora. GZWDer (talk) 12:51, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. The pages included in the category more throughly covers the topic. Ca talk to me! 12:23, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget, but to Korean diaspora, instead, to avoid creating an unnecessary WP:CNR. - Eureka Lott 10:44, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- I support Eureka Lott's proposal. Yue🌙 22:26, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- This is also fine too. Ca talk to me! 11:44, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to the category. The Korean diaspora article contains only two passing mentions of emigrants from North Korea, one simply noting the name by which they are called and the second relates only to the 1950s. Landing there provides essentially no relevant information for people using this search term, while the category isn't perfect it contains links to directly relevant information in multiple articles. In this instance the CNR is much more useful to the reader. Thryduulf (talk) 09:40, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
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The Hollies' Greatest Hits (1968 West German album)[edit]
- The Hollies' Greatest Hits (1968 West German album) → The Hollies (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I can't find anything in Enwiki about a 1968 album, here, or at The Hollies discography (which in any case would be a better target). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:27, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Hollies' Greatest, a 1968 Greatest Hits album by The Hollies that was released in Germany. Thryduulf (talk) 09:51, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per Thryduulf - looks like that's the intended article BugGhost🪲👻 09:07, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Hollies' Greatest is a British album released by Parlophone. Per the edit history, the West German album was released by Hansa Records. The track listings are also different, which all but confirms these are different pressings. -- Tavix (talk) 16:12, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- I can't find any non–user generated sources, but I'm fairly certain that the West German album and Hollies' Greatest are in fact separate (they seem to have separate covers for one), so that is not a good retargeting option. Retargeting to the discography would be a good option if it was on there, but it's not, and I know too little about the area to properly search for sources to add it to the discography. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 21:48, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
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Tom (programming language)[edit]
- Tom (programming language) → Tom#Acronyms (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- TOM (programming language) → Tom#Acronyms (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- TOM (programming language) (disambiguation) → Tom#Acronyms (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- TOM computer language → Tom#Acronyms (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- TOM programming language → Tom#Acronyms (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Tom and List of programming languages only lists one programming language called Tom or TOM – Tom (pattern matching language) – so I suggest retarget, delete, delete. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:47, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget 1 and 2.
Delete 2Delete 3: per WhatamIdoing. Cos (X + Z) 20:22, 5 June 2024 (UTC) Support per nom. Daask (talk) 21:30, 5 June 2024 (UTC)- Retarget 1 and 2. TOM was originally an acronym meaning To One Matching, so "TOM" was the original capitalization and should not be deleted.[9] WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:15, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- 1) Retarget, 2) Retarget, 3) Delete per WhatamIdoing. Good catch. Daask (talk) 23:08, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment TOM (programming language) should not be deleted. It contains the early history of the proposed target. I have added {{Copied}} to both talk pages to indicate that. I have also added the ur-redirects TOM computer language and TOM programming language to this nomination. Their fate should be considered, too—Ketil Trout (<><!) 17:43, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- My !vote would be to delete TOM (programming language) (disambiguation) and retarget the other four to the proposed target.—Ketil Trout (<><!) 17:44, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete TOM (programming language) (disambiguation). Also, move Tom (pattern matching language) to Tom (programming language), and target the other redirects there. Steel1943 (talk) 17:45, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete TOM (programming language) (disambiguation) and TOM computer language, Move Tom (pattern matching language) to Tom (programming language), Redirect the rest to Tom (programming language) and create TOM (computer language). I know that this is somewhat of a clusterfuck of actions, but
- Delete redirects due to TOM (programming language) (disambiguation) having consensus against redirects with parenthetical disambiguation and (disambiguation) and TOM computer language per WP:CONSISTENT with redirs such as C (computer language) and per WP:PANDORA.
- Move per Steel1943.
- Redirect the rest per above.
- Create TOM (computer language) per my reasoning for deleting TOM computer language.
- mwwv converse∫edits 16:10, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- WP:PANDORA should not be used; see user:Lunamann/Please, put Pandora back in the boxThat said, support these actions; save for the citing of WP:PANDORA, all of this seems correct to me. (WP:CONSISTENT can support the deletion of TOM computer language on its own.) 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 20:35, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- I want to note that the last discussion on double disambiguation that I know of (Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 14#INTDABLINK of redirects from incomplete disambiguation) ended in no consensus, so unless things have changed without my knowledge and none of those redirects have been deleted since, there is not a consensus against double disambiguation. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 20:10, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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Druisk[edit]
This redirect is simply incorrect. It stems from a misinterpretation of a redirect in a paper encyclopedia printed over 100 years ago. Druysk is an agrotown in Vitebsk Oblast, Belarus, near Braslaw. It is situated over 200 km away from Kaunas, Lithuania. The mixup arose because the Jewish Encyclopedia (1906) contains the following entry:
- DRUISK. See Kovno.
However, this just refers to the fact that Druysk belonged to the Kovno Governorate of the Russian Empire, an administrative division which covered a fairly large area, including Braslaw and its environs. For confirmation of this fact, one may consult this 1864 map of Kovno Governorate. Druysk (Друйскъ) is in fact the easternmost labelled locality on the whole map, found within the yellow-green (i.e., primarily Orthodox) region centered around Braslaw (Браславъ).
The Jewish Encyclopedia does this with other localities as well. For example, the entries for Dusyaty (Dusetos; Russian: Дусяты Dusyaty) and Eiragoly (Ariogala; Yiddish: אייראַגאָלע Eyragole) also redirect the reader to Kovno, and the entry for Eishishki (Eišiškės) points to Wilna.
What's even more confusing is the online version of the Jewish Encyclopedia hosted on StudyLight.org, cited in the previous RfD discussion, which includes full entries for these redirect entries that just transclude the content of the redirect target, without any indication that this is what's happening. Thus, the entry for Druisk is identical to the entry for Kovno, except for the header; the same applies to Eishishki and Wilna, and so forth.
Lastly, and perhaps most importantly, I would like to solidify the argument for deletion by showing that other written sources that talk about “Druisk” are in fact referring to the city in present-day Belarus and not using it as a synonym for Kaunas.
- Cholawsky, Shalom (1998). The Jews of Bielorussia During World War II. Routledge. ISBN 9057021935.
- "Druisk" is mentioned alongside other towns in Belarus (e.g. Braslav, Glebokie, Dolhinov) and eastern Lithuania near the Belarusian border (e.g. Swienciany, Podbrodzh). None of these locations are near Kaunas.
- Petronis, Vytautas (2007). Constructing Lithuania: Ethnic Mapping in Tsarist Russia, Ca. 1800-1914. Stockholm University. ISBN 978-91-89315-78-5.
- “Druisk” is described as being on the Dvina River, in the Vitebsk province. Mostly accurate, but the author (or I) might be slightly confused. Druysk is not directly on the Dvina, which actually forms the border between the nearby towns of Druya, Belarus and Piedruja, Latvia. The Dvina is approximately 10 km from Druysk. In fact, the place-names Druya, Druysk, and Piedruja all refer to the Druya/Druyka tributary of the Dvina. In any case, nothing to do with the city of Kaunas.
- Lokotko, Aleksandr; et al. (2013). Tourist Mosaic of Belarus. Belaruskaya navuka. ISBN 978-5-457-63663-7.
By the way, in the course of researching this, I also noticed that Eiragoly → Eiguliai is probably another incorrect redirect. As mentioned above, this refers to Ariogala (here's a source to support the identification), not the Eiguliai neighborhood of Kaunas whose name is pretty different anyway. I hypothesize that the author of this redirect also created it based on the Jewish Encyclopedia, but in that case tried to make sense of it by finding a part of Kaunas with a somewhat similar name.
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- Very thorough, I'm certainly convinced. Druisk should ideally redirect to an article about Druysk if/when created. – Ploni💬 00:46, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- I think per above that deletion (or retargeting) is fine if there isn't a good current target with no objection to recreation if a suitable target is found or content added to one. (I voted keep in the earlier discussion.) Skynxnex (talk) 15:32, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:FM[edit]
- Wikipedia:FM → Wikipedia:WikiProject Freemasonry (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I think we should disambiguate, there are so many topics for this like WikiProject FSM (Federated states of micronesia), File Mover, Featured media, the wikiproject film filmmaking task force, wikiproject film, wikiproject french military history and more. I personally think disambiguate but I'm wondering if anyone objects to this. 48JCL 22:40, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate with WP:WikiProject Radio, WP:WikiProject Radio stations, WP:FSMicronesia -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 08:53, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not well experienced with precedent on internal shortcuts but my gut is saying Keep, maybe add the other projects to the current hatnote. These internal shortcuts are only useful if they're consistent - I assume people don't use them by typing
WP:(some acronym they assume relates to the topic)
and hoping for the best, but by remembering the specific shortcuts for the specific topics. They aren't like search terms, which require occasional disambiguation, they're concrete shortcuts to specific places - they either link to the correct place or they're useless. Are there any existing examples of a WP: shortcut going to a disambiguation? Feels incorrect to me, but happy to be proven wrong BugGhost🪲👻 15:35, 25 June 2024 (UTC)- eg. WP:A just goes to WP:Attribution, not a disambig between WP:Administrators, WP:Articles, WP:Arbcom, WP:Autobiography, etc. BugGhost🪲👻 15:45, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- There are many WP-space disambiguation pages. WP:1st (disambiguation) has the parenthetical, while WP:PT does not, but does has the redirect WP:PT (disambiguation) -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 20:45, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for digging out some examples - Looks like WP:1st (disambiguation) was only created to reduce an unwieldy hatnote on a page aimed at new users. Going through WP:PT's history it looks like it faced a couple of takeovers (for Portugal, and Primary Topic) which led to a disambiguation page to compromise. I don't think those rationales apply to this case, as WP:FM's history is unchanged since 2006, and more topics could be added to the hatnote if necessary. BugGhost🪲👻 08:56, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- There are many WP-space disambiguation pages. WP:1st (disambiguation) has the parenthetical, while WP:PT does not, but does has the redirect WP:PT (disambiguation) -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 20:45, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as per BugGhost. I similarly can't think of any Wikipedia-namespace disambig pages; most to all disambiguation in WP namespace is done via extensive hatnoting. Similarly, WP:UPPERCASE is not a reason to delete or retarget WP-namespace shortcut redirects, but instead something for the editor citing said redirects to keep in mind. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 19:32, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose disambiguation. Most project space shortcuts are ambiguous, and disambiguating them is very rarely a good solution. No expressed opinion on a target (though my sympathies certainly lie with radio, my rationality does not). — Godsy (TALKCONT) 08:00, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. All the incoming links indicate that when it is used it is used with the expectation of it linking to where it has done for 18 years. Retargetting would break links unnecessarily and change the meaning of old comments, disambiguation would break links without brining any benefits. Thryduulf (talk) 09:45, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
User:Arado Ar 196/Userbox/Userbox Yuri fanatic[edit]
- User:Arado Ar 196/Userbox/Userbox Yuri fanatic → Template:Userbox Yuri fanatic (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Same as Gay Communist Anime Userbox redirect Ahri Boy (talk) 17:29, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per my other comment TappyTurtle [talk | contribs] 20:10, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep. Unless requested by the user themselves, there is rarely a reason to delete a redirect from a user subpage, and only extremely rarely when it is the result of a page move. Thryduulf (talk) 09:58, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
User:Arado Ar 196/Userbox/Global Gay Communist Anime[edit]
- User:Arado Ar 196/Userbox/Global Gay Communist Anime → Template:User Global Gay Communist Anime (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unused user subpage Ahri Boy (talk) 17:27, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- FYI for future reference please nominate all related redirects you want to nominate at the same time, as explained in WP:RFDHOWTO; anyway these should be Kept, created from a page move and no reason to delete (and I'm not sure why these userspace templates were moved anyway). TappyTurtle [talk | contribs] 19:57, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep. Unless requested by the user themselves, there is rarely a reason to delete a redirect from a user subpage, and only extremely rarely when it is the result of a page move. Thryduulf (talk) 09:58, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
SearXNG[edit]
The original Searx is no longer supported, and SearXNG is different enough to warrant its own article. I've started a draft here: Draft:SearXNG Benpiano800 (talk) 18:40, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
Bird (company)[edit]
- Bird (company) → Bird Global (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Redirect to Bird (disambiguation)#Businesses and organisations. Ambiguous, other companies named Bird 162 etc. (talk) 18:19, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to make less ambiguous. Benpiano800 (talk) 21:02, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per nom --Lenticel (talk) 00:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to disambig per nom BugGhost🪲👻 10:06, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per nom. Thryduulf (talk) 09:59, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
List of Pokémon (0)[edit]
- List of Pokémon (0) → MissingNo. (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
pretty funny, but not a list, and could also apply to victini. thought about redirecting to the list of gen 1 pokémon, but that seems even more implausible. thoughts? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:58, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Error: MissingRedirect. (This is a delete vote.) 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 00:06, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above. Highly implausible search term. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 16:47, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
redirects to unmanned combat aerial vehicle[edit]
- Military drone → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Combat drone → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Combat drones → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Armed drone → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Weaponized drone → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Attack drone → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Battlefield UAV → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- battlefield unmanned aerial vehicle → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Non-US battlefield UAVs → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- International Battlefield UAVs (2) → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- International Battlefield UAVs (1) → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- International Battlefield UAVs → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These need retargetting, as these are not specific to UCAV. Military drones can be unarmed, such as the Global Hawk, and most target drones (Q-planes) like the QF-4 (retired fighter converted to target drone). Armed drones are not restricted to UCAVs, such as sea drones operated by Ukraine that have sunk many Russian ships. On the Ukrainian battlefield, armed and unarmed land drones (unmanned ground vehicle -- UGV) also are being used, as are armed and unarmed aerial drones (UAV - unmanned aerial vehicle). Both the US and China have demonstrated drone tanks and robot dogs with machine guns. Police have tracked ground drones armed with shotguns, so not just militaries have armed drones. UXOD and landmine clearing also use military ground drones.
-- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 13:36, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment International Battlefield UAVs (1) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) and International Battlefield UAVs (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) should probably have a round robin swap, since the edit history is located at (1) and no significant history is located at the base name. That would allow deletion of (1) and International Battlefield UAVs (2) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) as useless numbered redirects from old swaps -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 14:08, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment if there is no better target, they should retarget to drone (disambiguation) page, that lists various types of drones. -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 20:49, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
List of articles every Wikipedia should have[edit]
- List of articles every Wikipedia should have → meta:List of articles every Wikipedia should have (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Navelgazing, fails WP:SSRT. Note that this is not a deletion nomination of Wikipedia:List of articles every Wikipedia should have, which is a good soft redirect. But this is not a common search term for our readers. Fram (talk) 13:29, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete not content for the readership, this is for the editorship -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 02:29, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per IP above: the Meta page is purely project-related, so the redirect in the Wikipedia namespace makes sense but an article-space redirect does not. Tollens (talk) 05:02, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and IP. I expected this to be an ancient holdover from before namespaces existed, but it actually dates from this month. Thryduulf (talk) 11:59, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as per WP:XNR, nom, and Thryduulf. I get that Meta isn't technically a namespace, but the argument against cross-namespace redirects also applies here; as stated by IP, this redirect does not belong in article-space. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 12:15, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Vacuum circuit breaker[edit]
- Vacuum circuit breaker → Circuit breaker (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Retarget to vacuum interrupter. A redirect to circuit breaker as current is a bit surprising (WP:PLA) as users wont search VCB in order to get to circuit breakers. Couruu (talk) 12:57, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Agree. It is so obvious that you can go ahead and do it under WP:BEBOLD.
- Constant314 (talk) 13:19, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
Porch monkey[edit]
- Porch monkey → List of ethnic slurs#P (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Porch Monkey → List of ethnic slurs#P (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No longer mentioned at target. The second redirect is fully protected, so I cannot tag it. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:33, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- It is mentioned at List of ethnic slurs and epithets by ethnicity, although that article does seem like a WP:CFORK to me. 162 etc. (talk) 02:45, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- I agree that List of ethnic slurs and epithets by ethnicity and List of ethnic slurs have a CFORK problem; the only difference scope-wise is sorting order, with the original target being alphabetically sorted by the slurs and the other list being sorted by target ethnicity. This issue should probably be resolved (and the two pages possibly re-merged) before we figure out where this should target. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 13:04, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
Kart[edit]
Retarget to Go-kart. "Kart" refers to the vehicle itself. Seems uncontroversial, but it's pointed at the current target for 20 years and there's a fair number of incoming links, so I'm putting up for discussion. 162 etc. (talk) 01:55, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment It appears that Kart was a standalone article merged into Kart racing in 2004. Go-kart was then expanded into a standalone article in 2011. 162 etc. (talk) 02:00, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Go-kart per nom. Fieari (talk) 05:03, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per nom. Also, closing admin, please be sure to move the hatnote from Kart racing to Go-kart to match. Given the close association between the two subjects (Go-karts being the type of vehicle used in kart racing), there shouldn't be too much in the way of issues regarding off-site incoming links; we only need to worry about onsite links. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 13:00, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment would Shifter kart (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) also need retargetting to go-kart ? That is also a term used for the racing vehicle, and not the sport -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 13:43, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Currently "Shifter kart" is not mentioned at Go-kart. I've just added a section move tag on the Kart racing article that would resolve this. Support. 162 etc. (talk) 15:59, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
June 23[edit]
Double Disc Album[edit]
- Double Disc Album → Double album (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Technically not useful as the redirect Double disc album (the correct spelling) already exists and MediaWiki isn't case sensitive. Killarnee (talk) 22:46, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- ...what? I often use the URL bar to type in my searches, and if I make a capitalization error there outside of the first character, it doesn't take me to the correct place. Keep as MediaWiki is case-sensitive, and I'd recommend withdrawing unless you want to go against the precedent of the entirety of Category:Redirects from miscapitalisations. (WP:RCAPS is also worth mentioning). Skarmory (talk • contribs) 00:04, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
I often use the URL bar to type in my searches, and if I make a capitalization error there outside of the first character, it doesn't take me to the correct place.
Here's a tip: While the URL bar is case sensitive (and has to be; we have plenty of articles where case is relevant; see MAVEN vs Maven), the Search bar isn't, unless there are extant separate articles for each capitalization. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 16:05, 17 June 2024 (UTC)- I know that much, but it's a habit that's hard to break. I do it while knowing the search function is better; who's to say there's not people that do it while not knowing much about the search function? Besides, this excerpt from WP:RCAPS shows some other areas where case-sensitivity is important:
While Wikipedia's search function is generally case-insensitive, these redirects aid linking from other articles and external sites.
Skarmory (talk • contribs) 17:28, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- I know that much, but it's a habit that's hard to break. I do it while knowing the search function is better; who's to say there's not people that do it while not knowing much about the search function? Besides, this excerpt from WP:RCAPS shows some other areas where case-sensitivity is important:
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:34, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as a normal {{R from miscapitalisation}}. Skynxnex (talk) 04:00, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Skynxnex and Skarmory. The URL bar is not the only case sensitive method of navigating Wikipedia, and we should always be agnostic to which method people use. Thryduulf (talk) 09:36, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
City of Auckland[edit]
- City of Auckland → Auckland City (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The City of Auckland is a distinct entity from Auckland City. It is not discussed in proper detail in the Auckland article nor the Auckland City article. I do believe it has the merits to meet notability on it's own: e.g. https://www.gutenberg.org/files/46925/46925-h/46925-h.htm Deletion would be the best option as it doesn't mislead readers into a different entity and might encourage someone to create an article on it. Traumnovelle (talk) 22:25, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep All that's needed is to tag it with Template:R with possibilities. I've done so. Schwede66 08:39, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- I still don't believe it's a good redirect. Auckland City is completely different to the City of Auckland. It'd be like having New York County redirect to New York City. It is only a partial continuation in area and most of Auckland City's area is from the County of Eden. The term being redirected serves to confuse the reader into thinking City of Auckland (note the important capitalisation as a proper noun) is just another name for Auckland or Auckland City. Traumnovelle (talk) 09:14, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Write content seems to be the obvious answer here. It needn't be more than a short paragraph detailing the status, extent, etc. on whichever of Auckland or Auckland City is the broader. This redirect can then be targetted there. Thryduulf (talk) 09:43, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe there should be an article on the district that has existed since 2010 just like City of York deals with the district that was created in 1996 even though there was one that existed from 1835 to 1996. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:43, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Calesín:[edit]
Dante' stallworth[edit]
- Dante' stallworth → Donté Stallworth (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete for multiple errors. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:37, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete 24 views in a year and none this month. Traumnovelle (talk) 22:28, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
Draftspace to userspace XNRs[edit]
- Draft:Fanoflionking/sandbox → User talk:Fanoflionking (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Draft:Gråbergs Gråa Sång/sandbox/GGS Workspace → User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång/sandbox/GGS Workspace (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Draft:Immanuelle/Unsubmitted shrines → User:Immanuelle/Draft Staggering (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Draft:Mersal/Vivegam Remix(Boys Brand Creation) → User:Abishe/Infobox (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Draft:KillarneeBot → User:KillarneeBot (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Draft:VikasGodara0001/VKG Royal Controller → User:VikasGodara0001 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
XNRs from draftspace to userspace from the list provided by User:Dsuke1998AEOS in Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2024_June_15#Draft:Immanuelle/Draft_Staggering. None of these redirects lead to drafts and such pages should not have been made in draftspace in the first place. I did not nominate any redirect that leads to a draft, but I wouldn't be opposed to deleting those if someone else wanted to. Nickps (talk) 13:38, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all Each appears to have been created by accident, and serves no functional navigational purpose. Ca talk to me! 13:45, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Fine by me. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:10, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Added Draft:VikasGodara0001/VKG Royal Controller which I missed. It leads to a user page. Nickps (talk) 16:46, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all per nom (who in turn cites me!). All of these redirects were created in error. WP:RDRAFT only specifies that redirects from draft to article namespace should be kept, but it says nothing about redirects leading to other namespaces. For that reason, I would also support deleting the other redirects in the list. Dsuke1998AEOS (talk) 17:23, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
Red Flag (nuclear weapon)[edit]
- Red Flag (nuclear weapon) → WE.177 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
There is no mention of "red flag" in the article making this redirect confusing. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:04, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- So fix the article. This originally belonged in Category:Rainbow Codes, but that was stupidly deleted. It might still be mentioned at List of Rainbow Codes. Andy Dingley (talk) 13:14, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
Tone (color)[edit]
- Tone (color) → Lightness (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Tone (color theory) → Tint, shade and tone (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These two redirects should point to the same article. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:40, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Tone is an ambiguous term? There are separate articles about color and color theory – and color science! – and colorimetry and color appearance model! In English, "tone" has many meanings; the applicable meaning here is " The shade or quality of a colour." (disambiguation of an ambiguous term by a definition which uses more ambiguous terms). Is there really such a thing as color quality (quality (color)?? – wbm1058 (talk) 10:02, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
The lockdowns[edit]
- The lockdowns → COVID-19 lockdowns (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
While the COVID-19 measures are probably the freshest in people's memories, I think that "the lockdowns" is too broad to use as a redirect to that topic and therefore propose retargeting to the general topic of lockdown. Sdrqaz (talk) 02:11, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Regerget as {{R from plural}}. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:42, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rererget per above. If the readers were looking for the covid lockdown in particular, they can scroll down to the section covering it easily. Ca talk to me! 13:49, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per The pandemic and Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 April 9#The pandemic; while there may be some WP:RECENTISM, most who will use the term "the lockdowns" (emphasis on the), will likely be referring to the COVID lockdowns, especially with the established precedent of "the pandemic." — Knightoftheswords 23:10, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
RehergetI mean keep - agreeing with Knight, the lockdowns is likely intended to be the covid lockdowns BugGhost🪲👻 08:05, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep literally 100% of the results on the first five pages (when I stopped looking) of a Google search for "The lockdowns" -Wikipedia refer to the Covid-19 lockdowns - you can't get a clearer example of a primary topic. Usually for something like this I'd expect to find mentions of one or more non-notable bands, esports teams, instagram users or something like that, but I'm just not. Thryduulf (talk) 09:48, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
Retargegper LaundryPizza, Ca, and Nom. I find the idea that "The lockdowns" is specifically primary to COVID-19 lockdowns to be a severe case of WP:RECENTISM; the Covid-19 pandemic was a massive global event, yes, but so was, say, World War 1. Four years after WW1, it was probably extremely easy to say "The War" and people knew you were talking about WW1; ten or twenty years after WW1, not so much. If people really are looking for the Covid-19 lockdowns, the proposed retarget-- Lockdown-- has a hatnote to it right at the top of the page. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 13:12, 24 June 2024 (UTC)- What matters for the purposes of redirects is what people are looking for now. What people might be looking for in 10 or 20 years (or even 2 years) is irrelevant WP:CRYSTALBALL-gazing. If the primary topic changes then we can and should change the target of the redirect, but we do readers a disservice by not taking them to what they want to read directly now because they might (or might not) be looking for something different later. Thryduulf (talk) 23:30, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- ...I suppose that's fair. Withdrawing vote. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 00:17, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- What matters for the purposes of redirects is what people are looking for now. What people might be looking for in 10 or 20 years (or even 2 years) is irrelevant WP:CRYSTALBALL-gazing. If the primary topic changes then we can and should change the target of the redirect, but we do readers a disservice by not taking them to what they want to read directly now because they might (or might not) be looking for something different later. Thryduulf (talk) 23:30, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Lockdown doesn't really list specific lockdowns, if List of lockdowns existed this would be a better target but otherwise I'd probably suggest to keep as is. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:46, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- List of lockdowns should be linked in a hatnote from the present target if it is created, but it should not be the target itself due to the present target being the overwhelming primary topic. Thryduulf (talk) 09:02, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
June 22[edit]
Gaza death camp[edit]
- Gaza death camp → Gaza Strip (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete for obvious severe neutrality concerns. There's also "Gaza concentration camp" and "Gaza extermination camp" which I'm too lazy to include at the moment. Anonymous 19:42, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Gaza humanitarian crisis (2023–present). We have lots of non-neutral redirects, and some of them are indeed quite offensive. But I don't see how these ones in particular do any harm. —Trilletrollet [ Talk | Contribs ] 21:15, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete for NPOV, per nom. Longhornsg (talk) 20:09, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or Retarget to Gaza humanitarian crisis (2023–present), per WP:RNEUTRAL, redirects do not need to be neutral. The term has seen some use [10][11], however I am not sure if it qualifies as common use. However my suggested retarget contains more information about deaths in Gaza strip. Ca talk to me! 08:12, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Good points, I've updated my vote. —Trilletrollet [ Talk | Contribs ] 08:37, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget as per Ca. As mentioned, WP:RNEUTRAL dictates that redirects do not need to be neutral; not only are redirects much harder to see (your average reader isn't going to use the "what links here" tool), but also, if someone were to use a non-neutral search term for whatever reason (for example, "hey, I've heard this term being batted around, what the heck are people talking about?"), we shouldn't keep them from reaching the information we have on the topic.I agree that the Gaza Humanitarian Crisis article is a better target than Gaza Strip. However, barring the retarget, I would prefer keep over deletion. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 13:10, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- However, Lunamann, in your example, the person would not actually learn anything about the term and simply be redirected to a vaguely relevant article. You are certainly right that being useful is more important than neutrality when it comes to redirects, but the fact that the redirect has had exactly one view barring yesterday, having been around for about a month, does not help its case on that end either. Anonymous 18:41, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget as per Ca. BugGhost🪲👻 12:58, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, at most this is a flowery epithet. It may not even be a single term, "death camp" serves as a descriptor for Gaza [12][13][14]. The term serves no navigational use as a redirect, anyone who knows about the Gaza strip would be searching for that, and anyone who is genuinely seeking it out as a term will only be obliquely helped by redirecting to the humanitarian crisis. Another consideration is that searching Gaza death camp without quotes on google brings up actual specific camps, such as the Sde Teiman detention camp, and it does seem a plausible descriptor for that too. CMD (talk) 07:38, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Delete for severe NPOV. DaringDonna (talk) 20:40, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note that, per WP:RNEUTRAL, redirects do not need to be neutral. Ca talk to me! 07:13, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 20:14, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete this one and the others. While they don’t have to be neutral, they do need to be somewhat commonly used, and this isn’t. FortunateSons (talk) 00:00, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Hot magenta[edit]
- Hot magenta → Shades of magenta#Hot magenta (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Primary topic should be the list of Crayola crayon colors, as the color isn't notable enough to cover in the current target article. 24.194.71.209 (talk) 19:15, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - List of Crayola crayon colors#Fluorescent crayons does cover the color (also briefly mentioned in passing at Timeline of Crayola), whereas the current target does not. The other option would be List of colors (alphabetical)#G–H, where the color is also listed in a more generalized way. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 21:19, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Please note that this color was covered at the target until very recently, when it and several other shades were removed from the article. - Eureka Lott 07:09, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- ...I'm not entirely certain why Hot Magenta and other shades were removed from the article there? Gonna move that to the talk page of the article, but in the meantime, I'm withholding my vote. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 08:44, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Hot Magenta has now been reinstated back in at Shades of magenta#Hot magenta - assuming it stays there and doesn't get removed again, this redirect is worth keeping as-is BugGhost🪲👻 07:26, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Bugghost. Thryduulf (talk) 09:55, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
List of celebrities in The Simpsons[edit]
- List of celebrities in The Simpsons → List of recurring The Simpsons characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The title seems ambiguous over whether it should refer to guest stars in the series (in which case it would redirect to List of The Simpsons guest stars (seasons 21–present)) or in-universe fictional characters who are celebrities (the current purpose of the redirect). Xeroctic (talk) 15:23, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig no clear primary topic and at least three targets (the two listed above and List of The Simpsons guest stars (seasons 1–20)). Thryduulf (talk) 17:14, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:29, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
Skymont (microarchitecture)[edit]
- Skymont (microarchitecture) → Cannon Lake (microprocessor) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Skymont → Cannon Lake (microprocessor) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete, deprecated, WP:CBALL, check the talk pages for the complete rationale Artem S. Tashkinov (talk) 13:14, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete – this redirect is definitely 'obsolete' as "Skymont" now officially refers to the E-core architecture used in Lunar Lake, see sources here: [15], [16], which is completely different to the Cannon Lake processor series. The "Skymont (microarchitecture)" redirect is especially misleading, as Cannon Lake is a microprocessor series, not a microarchitecture, which are two highly different things. Though, I should mention that this redirect doesn't need to be deleted per se for someone to create an article about the Skymont E-core architecture; you can just simply overwrite the redirect with an article. — AP 499D25 (talk) 09:36, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and retarget to List of Intel CPU microarchitectures#Atom lines per anandtech and chipsandcheese establishing notability. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 13:11, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:28, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- See also Special:WhatLinksHere/Skymont (2024 microarchitecture). Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 20:52, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
Sheiße[edit]
This is an WP:RLANG from what I guess is a misspelling of German Scheiße. Although Wiktionary says the correct spelling is also an English word, its use as such is not discussed in the article, and the misspelling does not appear in the article at all. I suggest retargeting it to Scheisse, to which "Scheiße" already redirects. PleaseStand (talk) 10:41, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget as per nom. In german, the ß character (aka the Eszette) is functionally interchangeable with two S-es. Therefore, this is functionally the exact same as typing "Sheisse", and we can easily retarget it to Scheisse as an R from misspelling. Normally I'd discard it as a simple WP:RLANG, but there's no sense doing that when there's a clear target. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 11:27, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- retarget to Scheisse as Scheiße already does. And tag as r from misspelling. Skynxnex (talk) 03:22, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
The Bell- Iris Murdoch[edit]
- The Bell- Iris Murdoch → The Bell (novel) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete this incorrectly-formatted redirect. The Bell (Iris Murdoch novel) exists. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:55, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as unlikely typographic error. Ca talk to me! 13:53, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
Template:Bio-coat rack[edit]
- Template:Bio-coat rack → Template:Coatrack (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
tagged at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 11#Unused already-merged Bio_coatrack et al but not listed (due to an error by me, I apparently failed to copy over all three entries). * Pppery * it has begun... 05:54, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia:VN[edit]
- Wikipedia:VN → Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Visual novels (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Retarget to either Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard or Wikipedia:WikiProject Vietnam. I would lean towards retargeting to RSN, considering WP:V/N links to it, but I can see an argument to link to WPVietnam. I don't see how an inactive task force should be the ideal target for this redirect. OzzyOlly (talk) 03:57, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Most of the incoming links are intended to go to the Visual novels task force. Breaking all of those links wouldn't be optimal. It has almost no utility, so a disambig page would not be useful compared to its maintance burden. Ca talk to me! 13:56, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, per Ca. I don't know the etymology of the WP:V/N → RSN redirect, but going by the stats it's far far less used than WP:RSN (~10 monthly hits vs ~1500), so it doesn't look like a common source of confusion. Can't see a reason to change it, so keep. BugGhost🪲👻 07:43, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate create a new redirect for Visual Novels WP:VG/VN -- the task force is inactive, so it is not a productive use of this redirect, for such a common abbreviation for Vietnam. The WP:SURPRISE of landing at an inactive TF, instead of the country WPP or a dab page is overwhelming. Replace all existing incoming links with the new redirect. -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 13:55, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Similar disambiguation pages in WP-space include WP:PT (with WP:PT (disambiguation) redirect) and WP:1st (disambiguation), etc -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 20:57, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Partisan movement[edit]
- Partisan movement → Yugoslav Partisans (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Retarget to Partisan or Partisan (military). My impression is that "Partisan movement" is a generic concept that does not imply Yugoslavia. For example, it could refer to Italian partisans, among others. — BarrelProof (talk) 17:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep but add a hatnote. Searches indicate that the current target is the clear primary topic for this term, but there should be a hatnote either to an existing dab page or a new specific one. Thryduulf (talk) 12:41, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to partisan, as this is a generic term, and this is not the Balkan-topics-only Wikipedia -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 04:15, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to the Partisan DAB, as it is a generic term, and the searcher could be looking for anything that's there. Fieari (talk) 23:50, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- They could be, but the evidence is that the majority of them aren't - see WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Thryduulf (talk) 09:59, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
Megabucks (slot machine)[edit]
- Megabucks (slot machine) → Slot machine#Linked machines (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
There is no mention of "Megabucks" at the target, meaning that this redirect is confusing or unnecessary. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:44, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to International Game Technology (1975–2015)#1975–1990. There are a few mentions of a Megabucks slot machines but this is the only one that contains any detail (albeit not a lot). Thryduulf (talk) 17:22, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Weak retarget to International Game Technology (1975–2015)#1975–1990, per Thryduulf. "Weak" because the target article only mentions megabucks twice, and neither instance has a citation attached to it. If not this retarget then I'd lean delete. BugGhost🪲👻 12:15, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
Kelvin Lim[edit]
- Kelvin Lim → Kelvin Lim Hock Hin (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This redirect should be deleted, as all it serves is to redirect the Singaporean Basketball player Kelvin Lim to the completely unrelated criminal Kelvin Lim Hock Hin. There is no relation mentioned anywhere online or on Kelvin Lim Hock Hin's page. JubaTuba (talk) 05:59, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, this is a WP:PTM and nom clearly lays out how it could be harmful. I will note that unless someone makes an actual page for Kelvin Lim, this issue will still persist in a form-- the search results pulled up by searching Kelvin Lim will still likely have Kelvin Lim Hock Hin at the very top of the list due to it being a partial title match. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 06:20, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- The nom has not established notability of the basketball player. There's no case for REDLINK, since this is a valid alternate spelling of the name for the criminal. It is his "English name" in the Singaporean context. If the basketball player gets an article, then this can be revisited. -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 07:30, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete for safety. If someone is named Kelvin Lim, it could be devastating if someone googled their name and got this page. This is a WP:BLP-adjacent issue. Fieari (talk) 06:24, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- The current target article's person is named "Kelvin Lim", it's right there in the infobox. Does that mean we need to delete all redirects to all criminals? Make criminal biographies impossible to find? What if there's some other person who is named "Kelvin Lim Hock Hin without an article somewhere in the world? Does that mean we need to hide this biography? There are many people in the world who share names with criminals. That's just life. People get harrassed at airports all the time because they have the same name as someone on the no-fly list. These incidents sometimes show up on local news. WP:NOTCENSORED Wikipedia is not censored. -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 07:17, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep because practically there was no other person on a Wikipedia article with the same name by the way. But I still understand your reasons (all of them are valid) to nominate this for deletion or something, and I accept it even if the result is delete. Alternatively if in the future, another Kelvin Lim made his way into Wikipedia as another unrelated article, I suggest we can still revive the redirect to include the same Kelvin Lims into a sort of disambiguation page. --NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 06:40, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Besides, I checked the Wikipedia and search on Google, but I did not find a Wikipedia page about the Singaporean basketball player who got the same name. --NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 06:47, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- From the Team Singapore webpage [17] it appears the basketball player's name is Kelvin Lim Hong Da -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 07:50, 14 June 2024 (UTC) [fixed typo] -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 21:14, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Besides, I checked the Wikipedia and search on Google, but I did not find a Wikipedia page about the Singaporean basketball player who got the same name. --NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 06:47, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep This person has an English given name "Kelvin" and a surname "Lim" and a Chinese given name "Hock Hin", thus this is a valid redirect from the "English name" rendering of his name "Kelvin Lim". It is a valid redirect. There is no other topic article on Wikipedia who uses this name. Alternately, disambiguate with Kelvin Lim Yong Sheng, a Singaporean field hockey player and silver medalist at the Field hockey at the 2007 SEA Games. Kelvin Lim Leong Keat, a sailor who won gold for Malaysia at the 2001 SEA Games, Kelvin Lim Kok Peng, a Singaporean zoologist, for which the species Tioman Island rock gecko (Cnemaspis limi) is named for. Kelvin Lim, the defence lawyer in the Orchard Towers double murders case and Koh Swee Beng case and Yishun triple murders and Murder of William Tiah Hung Wai case. Clearly the basketball player isn't more notable. -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 07:14, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Is this basketball player also called Kelvin Lim Hong Da / Hong Da Kelvin Lim / Kelvin Hong Da Lim / Lim Hong Da / Hong Da Lim ? [18][19]. Because, that should be the name of the basketball player's article then, and not just "Kelvin Lim" -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 07:48, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - per 64.229.90.32 and NelsonLee20042020. "Kelvin Lim" is a name that Kelvin Lim Hock Hin used - it's listed in "Other names" in the infobox, and he is referred to as just "Kelvin Lim" 5 times in the body of the article. Whether or not there's also a basketball player who has a similar name the redirect is valid and correct. If the basketball player ever becomes notable enough to get an article and it's also asserted that they are recognised by the name "Kelvin Lim", then maybe a disambiguation page can be created - but for now it's fine as-is. BugGhost🪲👻 11:16, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
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June 21[edit]
Ofcommunist[edit]
No explanation why this redirect should exist. The phrase "Ofcommunist" does not appear in the Ofcom article. Suspect this is a PoV redirect. — Czello (music) 19:23, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Apparently it's an insult slung at Ofcom by Dan Wootton after he was found guilty of breaking Ofcom's broadcasting rules and lost his job at GB News. BBC article I found mentioning it.I'd say delete-- it's clearly not reached common use, Google is convinced that it's either a typo of "communist" or simply an attempt to type "of communist", and it's also a very clear portmanteau of "Ofcom" and "communist", made with the intent of perjoratively conflating the two concepts. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 20:46, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. A one-off non-notable usage that has not caught on. — The Anome (talk) 13:38, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - just an off-hand comment from a journalist (stretching the term), no other uses that I can see. BugGhost🪲👻 10:37, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Motorscooterxxx[edit]
- Motorscooterxxx → Scooter (motorcycle) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Implausible title because of the three x's. Most of the edit history consists of a brief edit war, with the content being virtually identical to a previous version of the article. Note that the redirect itself was moved from the original title "Motorscooter". It seems that the user Scooteristi wanted for the main article to be at that title, and made a rather disruptive copy-paste onto the redirect. The situation here is similar to the "Pkiro Wrokestling" redirect (RfD). Dsuke1998AEOS (talk) 17:34, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- i can understand the reasoning. x is a really cool letter, so adding more x's to things makes them cooler. still, delete as missing a space (and also as an implausible spelling, i guess) cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:02, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- So, what, is this an imcomplete WP:ROUNDROBIN? Move Motorscooter to Motorscooterxxx, move Scooter (motorcycle) to Motorscooter, then move Motorscooterxxx to Scooter (motorcycle), all without leaving redirects behind? Because if that was the goal, that's not what user:Scooteristi did-- they left a redirect behind when moving Motorscooter, then repaired the Motorscooter redirect to point at Scooter (motorcycle), meanwhile, not moving Scooter (motorcycle) anywhere. Also interesting is that before they moved Motorscooter to Motorscooterxxx, they blanked the page-- another editor (user:Tedder, who two years prior had BLAR'd the page; page before that point had been a fork? of Scooter (motorcycle) created by... Scooteristi, interestingly enough) then went back and restored the redirect that was there (perhaps not noticing that the page was now Motorscooterxxx).In any case, whatever nonsensical reasoning behind this, there's nothing of value in the 2009-era fork that's in the edit history. Delete. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 20:58, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Good grief, this is from 2009. Definitely just speedy delete this stupid fork/redirect and move on. tedder (talk) 21:08, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- After some more investigation, this wasn't a fork, but a botched and malformed move-- Scooteristi had copy-pasted the Scooter article in its entirety over to Motorscooter, then BLAR'd the Scooter article, only for Tedder to fix it. Which means that everything notable in this article's edit history was already in the edit history of Scooter. Edited for clarity 11:32, 22 June 2024 (UTC) 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 21:09, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
D-ring[edit]
- D-ring → Glossary of underwater diving terminology: A–C (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- D ring → Glossary of underwater diving terminology: A–C (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- D Ring → Rings of Saturn#D Ring (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I'm not convinced that either of these targets (or even Glossary of underwater diving terminology: D–G) are the primary topic, nor that they should target different articles. The whatlinkshere for D-ring are mostly unrelated to diving and just expect an article about the generic bit of hardware - there is an unsourced stub in the history of that page about that, but I'm not sure what scope there is for expansion? Thryduulf (talk)
- Note PamD has retargetted D-ring (but not D ring) to Glossary of underwater diving terminology: D–G. Thryduulf (talk) 14:56, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, sorry, I did that on noticing that it was clearly wrongly-targetted, but hadn't noticed the other one also wrong (and it's also hard to spot them in the D-G list as they are filed letter-by-letter where I expected word-by-word!) ... then looked further into D-rings and despaired of a sensible solution. The Wiktionary definition is specific to diving, but it appears from googling that "D-ring" is a very widely-used term for, well, literally a D-shaped ring, used in hanging pictures, anchoring webbing, and many other fields. As we don't have a List of useful miscellaneous bits of hardware, it's hard to see where it should go. I've now retargetted D ring so at least it's consistent and makes some sort of sense ... even if possibly wrong.
- Perhaps we need to edit Wiktionary to remove diving's hijacking of a generic term, then we could have a dab page for diving and Saturn, with a Wiktionary link. PamD 16:00, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, change to a disambiguation page. — Lentower (talk) 15:07, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: None of these terms are clearly the most prevalent, so none should be singled out at the top of the new disambig page. — Lentower (talk) 15:07, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Some of these pages, e.g. D ring binder should be on the new page. (I haven't read the guidelines here, so am not feel qualified make the decision).
- All pages with titles containing D ring
- All pages with titles containing D-ring
- All pages with titles beginning with D ring
- All pages with titles beginning with D-ring
- I suggest all six of these templates be in the See also section on the new page. — Lentower (talk) 15:07, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- As the creator of one of these redirects, I should point out that the page I had redirected it to at the time was (unsourced stub or no) much more useful than the current nautical one-liner. We should probably end up with D-ring as a disambiguation page and the other two redirected back to it; but there is a need for a stand-alone article explaining the ingenious contraption. --pmj (talk) 23:58, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- OK, so since 2005 we've had an unsourced article showing the diverse uses of D rings - holding down loads on lorries, BDSM, saddlery, safety harnesses, diving /climbing/ caving gear, etc. It would be more constructive to find a few sources to support some of these uses, rather than convert the article to a redirect to any one of them. I suggest that the reader would be better served if we reverted to that article as last seen and find some sources to add so that we don't go round this loop again. Here are a couple for starters: D rings in clothing and in picture-hanging. PamD 07:03, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Dabify per above --Lenticel (talk) 11:12, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- D Ring is a proper noun, leave it alone. (A hat note is acceptable.) The rest should redirect to an article on the hardware, with a hat-note. There should be no reason for a dab page here, uses should include links to whatever is significant. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 16:53, 22 June 2024 (UTC).
- Dabify per above. I agree that the hardware may not be Primary Topic, and even if it is, shouldn't be the only thing people are given access to- someone searching for "D ring" or "D-ring" could just as easily be looking for Glossary of underwater diving terminology: D–G, Rings of Saturn#D Ring, D ring binder, et cetera.I'd like to note that Rich Farmbrough has already drafted up... I'm actually not sure if that's a dab page or an article, on the D-ring page. Looks like it needs polish, but it's a good start and a sight better than the single sentence on Glossary of underwater diving terminology: D-G. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 18:04, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Given the Rich Farmborough draft currently in place, I suggest we now keep it as an article. — The Anome (talk) 19:02, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- DABify - The proposed article at D-ring can be moved to "D-ring (Hardware)" or similar, but I don't think there is a primary topic between it, the rings of saturn, and binders, so the base term should be disambiguated. Fieari (talk) 00:24, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Dabify all of them. Aside from Saturn and diving, it is also part of some ejection seats as the activation handle D-ring, and Belt (clothing), and carbiner, and D-ring binder -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 14:00, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep the article drafted by @Rich Farmbrough: at either D-ring or D ring, with a redirect from the other form and a hatnote pointing to D Ring. It's not a dab page we need, but an article about the item of hardware shaped like a D and used for webbing on trucks, straps on clothing, hanging pictures, BDSM, and a multitude of other purposes including diving gear. There are variations with an attached tab for a screw/nail (picture-hanging), variations with a hinged section like a carabiner, and so on. Some are made of plastic. Two D rings together can form a sort of buckle for clothing. All this can go in the article, properly sourced. The entry in the Diving glossary can refer back to this general article. We need refs/examples for the various fields in which D rings are used. Possibly something about when the terminology was first used (doesn't seem to be in the OED, sadly). PamD 14:43, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
Mexican Avocado Dispute[edit]
- Mexican Avocado Dispute → Avocado#Avocado-related international trade issues (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
there isn't anything in the article about a dispute and the section to which this links no longer exists. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:37, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment if this deleted, the link at Dispute settlement in the World Trade Organization#See also should be removed. Thryduulf (talk) 10:40, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The relevant portion of the target was removed in this February 2021 edit by Zefr with the rationale "trim outdated trade issues section", but the follow-up sections (including all the citations) that were present at the time of the redirect creation (this version) had been removed sometime previously. Thryduulf (talk) 10:55, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
Spirituality & Health Magazine[edit]
- Spirituality & Health Magazine → American Health (magazine) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No relation to target, not mentioned in target article. Spirituality & Health is a magazine published by Unity Church. Softlavender (talk) 03:24, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - Spirituality and Health Magazine also exists as a redirect to the same target. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 21:05, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
Tristan Tate[edit]
- Tristan Tate → Andrew Tate (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete as misleading. This redirect was created a minute after the second deletion discussion closed, first pointing to the whole article and then to a subsection concerning the Romanian case(s), on what seems to me to be the very good reason that they are different people. During the GA drive this change was reverted. As it stands, the references to Tristan are sprinkled throughout the article, so it's hard to pick a single place to point the redirect at; but they are different people, and the current outcome suggests that to the unwary they aren't. Given the AfD outcome, I would suggest that deletion of the redirect and reliance on how search engines actually work is the best resolution of this so that those looking will get a succinct and accurate answer; failing that, the AfD could be reconsidered, or Andrew Tate's article could be so structured as to give a redirect some place to point to. The current arrangement, though, treats him like Zaphod Beeblebrox's second head. Mangoe (talk) 00:54, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment New RfD's go below the header, not above it. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:00, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Re-target to Andrew Tate#In Romania: 2022–present per WP:BLP1E, where is he referenced under "Tate brothers" (that can be amended to "Tate and his brother Tristan" for first usage). 1E was the strong argument for deletion of the article second time around, despite not being mentioned in the closing summary, so redirecting to any other part of the article doesn't make sense based on his notability. Additionally, a redirect that is used 20 times a day does appear useful, but being pointed at Andrew Tate directly can be confusing for readers, even if he is mentioned from the lead onwards. I'm not sure why TheMainLogan changed the redirect back in March. I'm otherwise convinced that this redirect existed long before March and that the page history is missing after the 2nd AfD, but could be wrong. Maybe an admin could clarify. CNC (talk) 01:52, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- I won't even lie, I pointed the redirect at Andrew directly because they're basically the same guy. —theMainLogan (t•c) 15:53, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- @TheMainLogan yeah but in my opinion, they are not. Tristan Tate is almost equally as well known as his brother, and is a different human being with his own life and internet personality. Sure, they live together, own the same cars, but they are still entirely different. Mr Vili talk 00:37, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- "Tristan Tate is almost equally as well known as his brother, and is a different human being with his own life and internet personality. Sure, they live together, own the same cars, but they are still entirely different." Then why shouldn't he have his own article? —theMainLogan (t•c) 03:55, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- @TheMainLogan yeah but in my opinion, they are not. Tristan Tate is almost equally as well known as his brother, and is a different human being with his own life and internet personality. Sure, they live together, own the same cars, but they are still entirely different. Mr Vili talk 00:37, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- I won't even lie, I pointed the redirect at Andrew directly because they're basically the same guy. —theMainLogan (t•c) 15:53, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete and Restore Tristan Tate Draft I believe the redirect should be deleted, and Tristan Tate is notable enough to have his own page, I suggest the original page be undeleted, and converted into a Draft where further editing can be done to the original page in order to move it into mainspace Mr Vili talk 08:46, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- While this isn't the place to debate notability (the talk page would be better) the source assessment in the 2nd AfD demonstrated only one article with WP:SIGCOV, hence notability was not proven beyond BLP1E. Since this AfD he is now accused in a second investigation in the UK, but per the closing summary of that AfD, WP:PERP is still an issue here. Even if another draft is worked on, the mainspace article still requires a decision on either deleting, keeping or redirecting. CNC (talk) 12:23, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Refine to the section per CommunityNotesContributor. This is without prejudice to the former article content being worked on in draft, but unless and until an article is accepted (and such an article would need to demonstrate notability unrelated to the single incident) readers are better served by the redirect pointing to the content in his brother's article. Thryduulf (talk) 10:58, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
June 20[edit]
Gallophone[edit]
- Gallophone → Geographical distribution of French speakers (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in target. In the weird position of having a whole lot of online dictionaries claiming it means "French-speaking", starting with wikt:Gallophone, but I can't find a single such usage. Actual usage is rare but seems to be related to Gaul, not France or the French, e.g. Gallocentrism (thought I can't find a single one of its sources to check if they use the word that way). Rusalkii (talk) 22:47, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Have you tried asking wikt:WT:RFV about the Wiktionary entry? –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:59, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- No, but it does look like the original creator @Thryduulf is an RfD regular, tagging them in to see if they have thoughts. (Sorry for dragging out decades-old pages!) Rusalkii (talk) 07:01, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- There are five quotations on the Wiktionary entry, all giving examples of use. I don't remember creating that (it was 2010) but the quotes have been there since start. A couple of minutes has found another three uses [20] [21][22] on Google books and it can also be found in our Gallocentrism article . I also came across [23] and [24] which use the word with different meanings (the first possibly related to Galilee, the second is in the context of Welsh so I'd guess from Gaelic).
- Additionally, I'm seeing a few sources mentioning a Gallophone Records from the 1930s, with one that is probably not a reliable source, stating that it later became Gallo Records, but even if true this would be a partial title match. Thryduulf (talk) 09:21, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rereading the initial post here, it's not unique in having a meaning related to France while being etymologically related to Gaul - wikt:Gallic being the most obvious. Thryduulf (talk) 09:23, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- No, but it does look like the original creator @Thryduulf is an RfD regular, tagging them in to see if they have thoughts. (Sorry for dragging out decades-old pages!) Rusalkii (talk) 07:01, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
JDX[edit]
Doesn't appear to be the primary topic for "JDX"; quick google gives "JDX Performance Golf Apparel", "Job Builder JDX", "Jobs and Employment Data Exchange", a racing company, an instagram artist, guitar amplifier, etc. I can't even find the radio station. Hard to create a disambig page because none of these don't have wikipedia pages. Rusalkii (talk) 22:37, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate per nom. BD2412 T 19:34, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Never mind primary topic say, I can't find anything worthy of this becoming a DAB page with nothing created anyway in terms of articles yet, after looking at this title's page history. And BD2412, it seems the nominator was suggesting titles of articles of note worthy topics now but not yet created even to be considered for this at the moment.
French-speakers outside of Quebec[edit]
- French-speakers outside of Quebec → Francophone Canadians (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The redirect has a different target than it had during the RFD in 2019, but still has the same problem: The redirect is not exclusive to Canada as there are French speakers around the world, like in ... France and Louisiana, neither part of Canada. Steel1943 (talk) 18:23, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- In Canadian French, "Francophones hors Québec" refers specifically to French speakers that live in a Canadian province or territory that is not Quebec.[25] It does not apply to those living in other countries. That being said, this is en.wiki, and I don't know if English-language sources use "French-speakers outside of Quebec" in this sense. 162 etc. (talk) 19:13, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. While the expression can be found in English-language Canadian publications, where the context makes the "elsewhere in Canada" meaning clear, it does not make much sense without that context, nor does it appear to be a widely used set expression that people might search for or link to. Indeed, there are no incoming links to this redirect. Rosbif73 (talk) 07:03, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment it can be displaced/recreated to French-speakers outside of Quebec in Canada or French-speakers outside of Quebec (Canada) or Canadian French-speakers outside of Quebec -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 08:00, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Discussion thus far has a consensus to delete, but a relist seems appropriate given the prior discussion and minimal participation.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 18:38, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Geographical distribution of French speakers. It has been argued in the previous discussion and above that this phrasing is used in Canada. That said, it has also been argued that taken literally it also refers to non-Canadian French speakers. My suggested retarget covers both groups. -- Tavix (talk) 18:49, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
Bible Videos[edit]
- Bible Videos → List of films of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints#Bible Videos (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
List of films of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints#Bible Videos doesn't seem like the appropriate target for such a broadly-named redirect. ~Awilley (talk) 04:35, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: when you search "Bible Videos" in Wikipedia the first entry was the List of films of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints article, the other article that would make sense under this redirect was BibleProject, but this is an organization, and yes they make Bible videos too but they are less popular than the Church makes and they separate them as "Old Testament" and "New Testament", and not "Bible Videos", in their YouTube channel description, they dont say they make "Bible Videos", but "free resources to help you experience the Bible". Furawi (talk) 05:42, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Weak retarget - The sole source for the List of films of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints#Bible Videos section refers to the videos as "Life of Jesus Christ Bible Videos". Bible Videos in my view should redirect to Christian media#Film and television, which is the closest generalised topic I could find, but I don't feel too strongly either way. BugGhost🪲👻 09:59, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- After reading the below replies I think Thryduulf's 2nd suggestion of "
make Bible videos a disambiguation page that includes List of films of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints#Bible Videos, The Bible in film, List of films based on the Bible, and similar articles, and then point Bible Videos to Bible videos
" is the best option. BugGhost🪲👻 09:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- After reading the below replies I think Thryduulf's 2nd suggestion of "
- Keep but add a hatnote. I was very surprised to find that the current target is the clear primary topic when googling for "Bible Vidoes" -Wikipedia but it is. Thryduulf (talk) 10:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Having thought some more about this, I think my preference would be to make Bible videos a disambiguation page that includes List of films of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints#Bible Videos, The Bible in film, List of films based on the Bible, and similar articles, and then point Bible Videos to Bible videos. It simply doesn't seem right to me to imply that the LDS Church has a monopoly on producing bible videos, and I think the redirect would surprise any readers who happen to follow it. My second preference would be to retarget Bible Videos to List of films based on the Bible which could include a link to List of films of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints#Bible Videos. @Thryduulf: I too am surprised to see the LDS Church's webpage as the #1 result for a Google search for "bible videos" but I think we can do better than following Google's blind algorithm. ~Awilley (talk) 15:39, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate per above. The LDS have apparently done some really effective SEO here, but speaking as a former Christian, I'm pretty darn sure that "bible videos" is a generic term for any Christian or other religious media that tries to depict a story from the bible, or is a video taped sermon/lecture/bible study. Fieari (talk) 23:38, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- disambiguate. keeping would feel like if "music video" redirected to iosys, or if "fast food" redirected to mcdonald's. there's really no point in redirecting a basic concept like this to a single entity cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 02:36, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Dabify as per Thryduulf. While it's true that Google points to the LDS as "primary", that's something I find baffling-- Surely at the very least Veggietales or The Prince of Egypt or any number of other mainstream, more-generally-Christian videos and films would be primary over the Mormon videos. The lists Thryduulf grabbed have links to those films and more. Good work! 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 09:30, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Comment - Honestly, given the capitalization, a good argument can be made to keep the current target. If Bible videos existed, I might suggest Christian media#Media formats as the best target I could find. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 06:07, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate per the 5 above. Ambiguous title, thus worhty DAB title. Intrisit (talk) 17:59, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
2025 United Kingdom general election[edit]
- 2025 United Kingdom general election → 2024 United Kingdom general election (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Redirect was originally set up as a redirect to Next United Kingdom general election at a time when it could have been held in either 2024 or 2025. Now that it has been announced that the next election will be held in 2024 and with the United Kingdom having five year terms, it is very unlikely there will be a 2025 election. Propose deleting. Broanetar (talk) 04:08, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as per nom. 2025 is not 2024. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 06:17, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. Wikishovel (talk) 08:40, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to List of United Kingdom general elections#21st century. There was much speculation in reliable sources that the election would be in 2025, so it's not an implausible search term. However there isn't any real discussion of this in the article so that isn't a good target. If we take people to the list of elections then they can find whichever one it is that they are looking for. Thryduulf (talk) 09:35, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per Thryduulf. Cremastra (talk) 21:27, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget agree with Thryduulf, not unreasonable to assume people will search for this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Schwinnspeed (talk • contribs) 06:11, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per Thryduulf, deleting it doesn't really make sense, anyone ending up there either made a typo or is looking for the 2024 general election. AlexandraAVX (talk) 17:40, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The current target discusses that the date was potentially to be in 2025. Oppose retarget to List of United Kingdom general elections#21st century, that list does not contain any information about a 2025 general election. Is there any actual confusion with another election? The table ends at 2024... -- Tavix (talk) 20:57, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 21:04, 11 June 2024 (UTC)- Keep, for now - there's been headlines that mention a 2025 UK election, such as: [26], [27], [28], but they are all referencing same topic of the 2024 election, just with a different/questioning date of it arriving. It's reasonable to think there are people who believe it's happening in 2025. After the election has happened, I would fully support deleting the redirect but for now while there's still potential confusion, the redirect should stay. Agreeing with Tavix re: the List of United Kingdom general elections#21st century redirect, it's unlikely the searcher wants information about any other election. BugGhost🪲👻 09:02, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Tavix and Bugghost Keep for such a millennium bug? Unless you both can provide enough reason(s) why the 2025 election has shifted in advance to this year, I think Retarget is more fair than simple keeping. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 03:41, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- The election hasn't shifted in advance per se, but it was claimed multiple times that the election could be in January 2025. From the 2024 article:
The Electoral Commission confirmed that the 2019 Parliament would, therefore, have to be dissolved, at the latest, by 17 December 2024, and that the next general election had to take place no later than 28 January 2025
. Publications (like the ones I linked above) wrote articles linking this election to the year 2025, and so there's arguably possible confusion, which would warrant this redirect. BugGhost🪲👻 11:15, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- The election hasn't shifted in advance per se, but it was claimed multiple times that the election could be in January 2025. From the 2024 article:
- @Tavix and Bugghost Keep for such a millennium bug? Unless you both can provide enough reason(s) why the 2025 election has shifted in advance to this year, I think Retarget is more fair than simple keeping. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 03:41, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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American Evacuation Day[edit]
- American Evacuation Day → Public holidays in Libya (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target article. Only appears in the article for June 11 which is not a date listed anywhere in the target article. DrowssapSMM 20:09, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- I created this redirect as a replacement for the piped link
[[Public holidays in Libya|American Evacuation Day]]
in June 11.However, if there's no evidence that this day exists as a public holiday, I'm happy for it to be deleted. (And if so, the link in July 11 should be removed too.) Colonies Chris (talk) 21:31, 11 June 2024 (UTC) - Comment there are lots of sites that list "American Evacuation Day" as a public holiday on 11 June, but nothing that stands out as definitely reliable and independent of Wikipedia. This Indian Express article could be used to verify that it is (or at least was) a public holiday but doesn't give a date. It isn't listed at [29] but it's unclear whether that is a complete list or just ones of relevance to the Aviation authority. Thryduulf (talk) 21:52, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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The Stand Off[edit]
- The Stand Off → Lists of Netflix original films (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- The Stand Off (film) → Lists of Netflix original films (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This is not mentioned in the target article. Third party searches are not really helping matters to identify what subject these redirects are meant to refer either. On one hand, searching "The Stand Off Netflix" on some third party search engines returns results for miniseries Waco: American Apocalypse; however, I was not able to find any information stating that miniseries was known previously as "The Stand Off". In addition, there is also the subject at Standoff (film), made in 2016 ... but, there is also a different film which we apparently do not have an article for, which was also made in 2016, called "The Standoff" [30] starring Olivia Holt. Probably best to delete these unless a strong connection can be made between these redirects and at least one of the aforementioned subjects (or one that has yet to be created.) Steel1943 (talk) 17:43, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Upon further research, seems the subject of these redirects is not the miniseries Waco: American Apocalypse. According to an article written a few years back [31], apparently, the subject is about a screenplay (probably intended to become a film) written by Mark Heyman, but in that article, there is no mention of a subject by the name of the nominated redirects. Steel1943 (talk) 19:48, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Weak retarget to the dab at Standoff where two films are listed. "Stand off" is obviously a very plausible search term for most things listed at the dab page, "Stand Off" equally so for at least the media productions and the Canadian community. Similarly "The Stand Off" and "The Standoff" are both completely plausible search terms for the other, but what about for things without the definite article? My gut feeling is that it's not impossible for someone to misremember the name of the media productions, but I'm not familiar with any of them hence the "weak". Thryduulf (talk) 22:06, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom and could see nothing of this sort at the DAB page. By the way, this is for the film/movie, not the literal "stand off/Stand Off". Intrisit (talk) 17:59, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Hearst Entertainment[edit]
- Hearst Entertainment → Hearst Communications (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at the target article. The only exception to the further existence of this title is with Hearst Television, which owns broadcast stations and a media production company. Intrisit (talk) 16:27, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
SportAccord[edit]
- SportAccord → Global Association of International Sports Federations (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Removal/deletion of current redirect as it creates misleading impression. The redirect page reflects the name of a separate organization with its own initiatives whereas the target page reflects another organization that is now dissolved. In the current target page there's even a proposal on the Talk page from someone addressing this confusion. There should be a separate page and information about the redirect page of SportAccord JennyAnderson 2 (talk) 14:38, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hard to say, maybe we can just rename that GAISF article again to be SportAccord? Notified both WP:SPORTS and WP:Switzerland. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 03:22, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- It is hard, indeed. But I feel there would be value to having a separate SportAccord page as these are entirely different entities and it's tricky to combine them into one article efficiently as they have different structures, activities, missions. JennyAnderson 2 (talk) 09:27, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Indeed, that's why that SportAccord has its own Wikidata item just because of entirely different entities, but then it meets own notability for separating? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 00:46, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- It is hard, indeed. But I feel there would be value to having a separate SportAccord page as these are entirely different entities and it's tricky to combine them into one article efficiently as they have different structures, activities, missions. JennyAnderson 2 (talk) 09:27, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
June 19[edit]
EarthBound 3[edit]
"earthbound" is mother 2, with mother being referred to as "earthbound beginnings" when it finally got officially released outside of japan. some fans used to refer to mother as "earthbound zero" before. in any possible case that doesn't involve not knowing that the franchise has a different name in japan or being from an alternate timeline where mother was released internationally with its intended international name (earth bound), mother 3 would be earthbound 2 cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:59, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. By your own logic, this redirect should point towards Mother 4, a game that does not exist. We have a page titled Mother 4, but it is a redirect towards Earthbound fandom#Fangames, which talks about two fan-projects that took the name 'Mother 4', neither of which have released. In any case, if someone searches for 'Earthbound 3', I would assume first that they were looking for Mother 3 (and had forgotten that the franchise has a different name (edit: AND numbering schema 19:51, 20 June 2024 (UTC)) in Japan), over assuming they were looking for a fan-project that never released. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 21:26, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep While it is true that if localized, Mother 3 will probably be called Earthbound 2, it is an easy error for fans to make and therefore a believable search target. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:34, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - agree with the above BugGhost🪲👻 16:01, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - The chain of thought is easy to follow. I want Mother 3. The Mother series is EarthBound in the west. Thus, I should search for EarthBound 3. This is the best target. Fieari (talk) 04:02, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
[edit]
Singular mention of this organization that this redirect was intended for was removed in October 2023 per WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Mention is unlikely to be restored. Jalen Folf (Bark[s]) 20:16, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Does not help readers.
- Ca talk to me! 08:55, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete not mentioned, potentially confusing, serves no navigational purpose. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:39B9:A943:564A:3BA (talk) 23:09, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
It hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts[edit]
- It hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts → Yahtzee Croshaw#Chzo Mythos (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
like with "intruder alert! intruder alert!" before, i don't think a basic thing said multiple times in this manner can be primarily associated to one person or piece of media. also not or at least no longer mentioned in the target, i guess cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:16, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete delete delete delete delete as vague per nom. Also, potentially Daftify. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 20:15, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as definitively implausible. The target section of the redirect doesn't even exist, and the phrase doesn't exist in that article anyway. — Smuckola(talk) 03:03, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as confusing at best --Lenticel (talk) 04:56, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - I'm actually not confused by this one, and quite familiar with the reference (the Chzo Mythos is surprisingly compelling), but it's utterly unneeded and not particularly notable, even amongst fans. I'm sure Croshaw doesn't have a monopoly on this phrase anyway. Fieari (talk) 05:59, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete This seems to be extremely generic, based on internet search. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:55, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
X (social network)[edit]
Draft:J.Williams[edit]
Candidates in the 2022 French legislative election[edit]
Fashion in China[edit]
Woketard[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 26#Woketard
Make it mac tonight[edit]
First f Great Western[edit]
- First f Great Western → Great Western Railway (train operating company) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- First Greater Western → Great Western Railway (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- First Great Western Express → Great Western Railway (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
An extremely unlikely search term and a typo that even cannot be accidentally done. Just note that First Great Western was the former name of the current Great Western Railway JuniperChill (talk) 21:04, 28 May 2024 (UTC) [edited 09:50, 29 May 2024 UTC]
- Keep First Greater Western as that's the legal name of the company operating the franchise [32]. Thryduulf (talk) 08:12, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- weak delete First f Great Western. This is reading the corporate logo as "First f" which is not completely implausible given how it was rendered in e.g. what Commons calls the "corporate blue" livery (see image) but I can't find evidence it is commonly used. Thryduulf (talk) 08:13, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- I mean, we don't have First f as seen at FirstGroup logo so a clear reason for deletion. Plus FGW was out of business 9 years ago so its even more unlikely. But obviously keep First Great Western JuniperChill (talk) 18:36, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete First Great Western Express. It wouldn't have been an implausible way to distinguish from First Great Western Link but the only uses I can find are "First Great Western express" (i.e. express trains that happen to be operated by First Great Western). Thryduulf (talk) 08:12, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Agree with Thryduulf. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 15:05, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete first
twoand Tentative delete the third, though with the note that they're all being deleted for different reasons and I'm not sure they should've been grouped like this.
--The first one, delete due to unlikely typo.--The second, delete due to unlikely/vague search term (Greater?? And are we sure that they were talking about a railway when all they called it is a Western??? Could've been a movie for all we know)opinion withdrawn 00:03, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
--The third, tentative delete due to being... possibly unlikely? The term 'express' does narrow down that we're talking about a train, and "First Great Western" WAS the name of this rail line at one point. I could see this alternately being kept and tagged as Unnecessary Disambig.With the very different reasons why each one of these are being talked about, lastly, I propose handing nom a WP:MINNOW for grouping these together instead of keeping them separate, as this could've resulted in-- and could still result in-- a minor WP:TRAINWRECK. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 21:22, 29 May 2024 (UTC)- @Lunamann: "First Greater Western" is neither vague nor unlikely. It is the legal name of the company, a subsidiary of First Group (who brand most of their operations "First [name of operation]", e.g. First Great Western (the branding used for this franchise and its predecessor from 1998-2015), First TransPennine Express, First ScotRail, First Capital Connect, First North Western, etc.), that operates the Greater Western franchise. 100% of Google hits relate to this company. Thryduulf (talk) 23:56, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Fair enough. I'll allow First Greater Western being kept, though I'll also note that this means that we are now officially in Minor Trainwreck territory. ...Ironic, considering we're talking about railways. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 00:02, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, I did not think this thru. All of them are about railways all linking to the current GWR. I just thought that all three of them are very unlikely typos or search terms for FGW hence why I bundled them together. I initially thought WP:TRAINWRECK was talking about the notabilty stuff related to actual train crashes like the Stonehaven derailment or about whether to include it in an article like the EMR derailment on the List of rail accidents (2020–present)#2024. JuniperChill (talk) 00:21, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Nope, WP:TRAINWRECK is about how each one of these redirects has something else potentially wrong with it-- or in one case, has nothing wrong with it-- and thus we can't weigh them on the same merits, meaning that the resulting discussion gets confusing fast. I say a minor trainwreck-- and only minnowed you instead of a full-on trouting-- because there's only three redirects in the discussion, so the discussion is at least somewhat navigable.(See WP:UPPERCASE for more "Wait, I thought this shortcut meant X but it's actually talking about Y" stuff x3) 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 00:26, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, I did not think this thru. All of them are about railways all linking to the current GWR. I just thought that all three of them are very unlikely typos or search terms for FGW hence why I bundled them together. I initially thought WP:TRAINWRECK was talking about the notabilty stuff related to actual train crashes like the Stonehaven derailment or about whether to include it in an article like the EMR derailment on the List of rail accidents (2020–present)#2024. JuniperChill (talk) 00:21, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Fair enough. I'll allow First Greater Western being kept, though I'll also note that this means that we are now officially in Minor Trainwreck territory. ...Ironic, considering we're talking about railways. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 00:02, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Lunamann: "First Greater Western" is neither vague nor unlikely. It is the legal name of the company, a subsidiary of First Group (who brand most of their operations "First [name of operation]", e.g. First Great Western (the branding used for this franchise and its predecessor from 1998-2015), First TransPennine Express, First ScotRail, First Capital Connect, First North Western, etc.), that operates the Greater Western franchise. 100% of Google hits relate to this company. Thryduulf (talk) 23:56, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 23:04, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Which pages should be deleted, if at all?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ca talk to me! 16:13, 9 June 2024 (UTC)- Keep all - As Thryduulf points out the "First f" redirect is likely based on the logo, that looks exactly like a stylised "First f Great Western", which someone could think is the name of the company. "First Greater Western" is the real name of the company, as said above. I've found some reference to "First Great Western Express" being at some point a rebrand of some First Great Western service. Redirects are cheap and it's clear what topic they are aiming for. BugGhost🪲👻 18:57, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: One more try...
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 03:37, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
June 18[edit]
Brexit means breakfast[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 25#Brexit means breakfast
Furiosa Road[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 25#Furiosa Road
Leaf forest[edit]
Marine the Raccoon(character)[edit]
Sonic E3[edit]
Something Forgotten Wished by the World[edit]
風のクロノア[edit]
List of Klonoa vilians[edit]
List of Klonoa villains[edit]
Heather McMahan[edit]
Trademark Law Treaty[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 26#Trademark Law Treaty
Kahru[edit]
Valinor Hills Station[edit]
- Valinor Hills Station → Ingenuity (helicopter)#End of mission (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
There's no indication that this is referred to as a "station", either officially or unofficially, by anyone. I'm not sure whether or not a plain "Valinor Hills" redirect would be more suitable. It doesn't seem very useful, but it would make more sense at least. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 14:03, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - As OA of the Valinor Hills Station WP:Redirect - this Redirect was made to support the listing of the final location of the Mars Ingenuity (helicopter) on the planet Mars as indicated at Ingenuity (helicopter)#End of mission, and on the "Mars Memorial Sites" template ({{Features and memorials on Mars}}) (and see below) - in any case - Stay Safe and Healthy !! - Drbogdan (talk) 14:30, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note -- I removed the (unsigned) template transclusion as clutter; anyone can click on the link themselves to see it. I know MOS:OL is about article content and not talk pages, but holy crap, please take it to heart, because it's really hard to find the one important link among your sea of useless ones (why in the world did you feel the need to link "wp:redirect"? Please put some thought into what you write). More to the point, none of what you said addresses my concern that "Station" specifically is unwarranted. If someone added it inappropriately to a template, the proper course would be to remove it from the template, not to add an erroneous redirect. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 14:49, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom as possibly made up. 0 hits on Google. We already have the "station-less" Valinor Hills created at the same time and pointing to the same target. Jay 💬 12:22, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
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- very weak keep. There are three hits on Google that aren't from Wikipedia, but two of them are clearly not independent of each other given they use identical phrasing. So it's not completely useless and it is unambiguous. Thryduulf (talk) 09:13, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Internet Phone Operating System[edit]
- Internet Phone Operating System → IOS (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Listing this separately from #Apple Internet Phone Operating System as beside similar issues with this being an unlikely search term, lacking a specific brand makes it more likely to cause confusion. - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 12:20, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - No clear target. The creator may have been under the impression that the "i" in iPhone is short for "internet", which it isn't - and from searching it doesn't look like this is a common mistake. Could arguably be retargeted to Mobile operating system, but that article isn't strictly related to the internet - there are mobile operating systems that don't have internet connectivity. BugGhost🪲👻 13:36, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Our article on iPhone says
According to Jobs in 1998, the "i" word in "iMac" (and thereafter "iPod", "iPhone" and "iPad") stands for internet, individual, instruct, inform, and inspire.
Regardless, I agree with nom and everyone that the current redirect target is incorrect. External searches refer to specific patents, and unless Mobile operating system has mention of the exact term, Delete. Jay 💬 12:43, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Our article on iPhone says
- Retarget to Mobile operating system. While it's true that not everything there relates to the internet, everything that this plausible search term could relate to is listed there (i.e. it's a redirect from a narrower term to a broader article) . Thryduulf (talk) 14:30, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- "Internet phone" could also refer to VoIP, and such hardware usually has its own operating system distinct from mobile operating systems. - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 23:12, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget as per Thryduulf. He's right in that that's the best target we have (the only "internet phones" that can possibly have an operating system would have said operating systems listed there), and the fact that it's one less word than the one that starts with Apple helps a bit with my ability to believe its plausibility. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 19:19, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 16:33, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete this is unrelated to VoIP, IP phone operating systems, nor to telco PSTN over IP cabinet equipment OSes -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 10:31, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
Hendrik Sal-Saller[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 25#Hendrik Sal-Saller
Kristian Taska[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 25#Kristian Taska
Drake LaRoche[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 25#Drake LaRoche
Chhota Bheem 1[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 25#Chhota Bheem 1
2024 Sonsio Grand Prix at the Indiapolis Motor Speedway[edit]
Factory owner[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 25#Factory owner
㌽[edit]
Why would the English Wikipedia redirect to non-English Wiktionary entries? Fram (talk) 10:27, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Eh? The target is an English Wiktionary entry. Thryduulf (talk) 11:00, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Wiktionary entries for non-English words or terms. Wiktionary starts with the languages an entry is in (the heading), and the only such heading here is "Japanese". For comparison, the entry for "bread"[33] has headings "English", "Middle English", "Old English", and "Spanish", so that is an English Wiktionary entry. Fram (talk) 11:08, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Because English Wiktionary explains in English the meaning of the Japanese word that forms the character. I don't know that there is any exact meaning of point (disambiguation) that is represented by ㌽, so I leave the readers to find out what works in their case. --Error (talk) 11:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- But why would we have redirects to explain words in other languages? We could add millions of redirects if we do this, for every word in every language. Fram (talk) 12:04, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. We have articles and redirects for characters (not words), because people want to know what they mean and look them up in Wikipedia. In this case the English Wiktionary entry is better than anything we have locally, so the soft redirect is the most helpful to readers. Thryduulf (talk) 12:25, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Why would we allow redirects for foreign-language characters because people want to know what they mean, but not for words because people want to know what they mean? What makes characters so special? Fram (talk) 12:31, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Because characters and words are not the same thing. The reason we don't have redirects for foreign words is expressed best at WP:RFOREIGN, those considerations don't occur for single characters. Thryduulf (talk) 12:47, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- That's a non-answer if ever I saw one. Why A and not B? "A and B are not the same, and here we explain why not B". Well yes, but you argue to keep A, and don't give a reason why the arguments would be different. Further, the page you list to is about internal redirects, not about redirects to Wiktionary or the like. You also claim that "those considerations don't occur for single characters", but most of the arguments in the "Rationale" section of that page apply just as well to single characters. Fram (talk) 12:56, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Because characters and words are not the same thing. The reason we don't have redirects for foreign words is expressed best at WP:RFOREIGN, those considerations don't occur for single characters. Thryduulf (talk) 12:47, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Why would we allow redirects for foreign-language characters because people want to know what they mean, but not for words because people want to know what they mean? What makes characters so special? Fram (talk) 12:31, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. We have articles and redirects for characters (not words), because people want to know what they mean and look them up in Wikipedia. In this case the English Wiktionary entry is better than anything we have locally, so the soft redirect is the most helpful to readers. Thryduulf (talk) 12:25, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- But why would we have redirects to explain words in other languages? We could add millions of redirects if we do this, for every word in every language. Fram (talk) 12:04, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- To editor Fram:: Is your objection to redirects to Wiktionary, redirects from non-Latin characters or redirects from CJK characters? --Error (talk) 14:24, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- is there a reason the target is a search, and not the thing that would be searched? if not, retarget to wikt:㌽. otherwise, keep cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:47, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
Can you please wait before you create more similar redirects. You have now added ㍀ and ㍁, but if this one gets created, then adding more of the same onbly creates more work afterwards. Fram (talk) 12:16, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment There are tens of thousands of Han characters/Kanji. Is the plan to redirect all of them (or at least the reasonably common ones) to Wiktionary entries? What about characters in other scripts, or words in other languages? I actually agree that there is some value to a reader, however if you search for a Han character (arbitrary example) on Wikipedia, the corresponding Wiktionary entry will already appear in the search results on the side under the heading "Word definitions from Wiktionary". If the desire is to make the link to Wiktionary more prominent, that could be done much more efficiently with a few lines of CSS or JS instead of creating thousands of redirect entries. Just my 2¢. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 14:58, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- I realize that the entry above is not Kanji but rather a "square katakana" symbol, of which Unicode has only ~100, but I think the general reasoning may still apply. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 15:49, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- There are some kanji categorized as Category:Kanji, Category:Kyōiku kanji. I think that Category:Simplified Chinese radicals and Category:Kangxi radicals list most of the radicals. There are few redirects there, either because they don't exist or they are not categorized. Category:Specific_kana lists all of them, it seems. Picking one at random, ra has seven redirects from specific Unicode characters, all of them seem reasonable to me. --Error (talk) 16:46, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete This is a Unicode 'codepoint', but it is not in any normal sense a "character"; in fact it is plainly a word - ポイント - consisting of four characters. These "block" things are a legacy typographical kludge, not a normal part of the Japanese writing system. Imaginatorium (talk) 04:00, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Keep- Wiktionary explains what this character is and how it is used, and it does so in English. We have the information, we should point to it. Fieari (talk) 02:50, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Strictly speaking this is not true: Wiktionary does not describe this "character" (it isn't a character), nor how it is used. For example it does not mention that in vertical writing (where I suspect such use may be more common) the four elements of the character-space, written l-r, t-b, would be ン ポ ト イ (because actually they would have to be written t-b, r-l). In other words the actual appearance shown in the Unicode CJK compatibility box is not necessarily how the "character" would appear in actual use. And there is no obvious evidence of this "character" actually being in use [as opposed to "mention"] in an Internet search. If there is an established principle that WP does not provide links to Wikt for just any foreign word, the argument for needing a redirect for non-standard representations of such words strikes me as infinitely weak. Imaginatorium (talk) 05:07, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Changing !vote to Retarget to CJK Compatibility per Nickps below. An on-wiki redirect is significantly preferable to a cross-wiki one. Fieari (talk) 23:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Strictly speaking this is not true: Wiktionary does not describe this "character" (it isn't a character), nor how it is used. For example it does not mention that in vertical writing (where I suspect such use may be more common) the four elements of the character-space, written l-r, t-b, would be ン ポ ト イ (because actually they would have to be written t-b, r-l). In other words the actual appearance shown in the Unicode CJK compatibility box is not necessarily how the "character" would appear in actual use. And there is no obvious evidence of this "character" actually being in use [as opposed to "mention"] in an Internet search. If there is an established principle that WP does not provide links to Wikt for just any foreign word, the argument for needing a redirect for non-standard representations of such words strikes me as infinitely weak. Imaginatorium (talk) 05:07, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to CJK Compatibility for the reasons Imaginatorium brings up. Opposed to deletion however since the character is covered in the English WP. Nickps (talk) 16:01, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, but I don't understand what you mean by "covered". Is the J word ポイント "covered"? Actually I think that of course it is (just about) acceptable to describe (non-)characters like this in an article about obscure features of Unicode, but it is also OK to have an article on the Hungarian language - but this does not mean that just any Hungarian word should redirect to it. And yes, this (non-)character appears on web pages, but I can only find it on dictionary and similar pages, where it is often just some sort of redirect. Challenge: can you find a single use of this (non-)character in use in a document on the Web? Imaginatorium (talk) 16:14, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- "Covered" means that the character U+333D ㌽ SQUARE POINTO is explained in CJK Compatibility.
CJK Compatibility is a Unicode block containing square symbols (both CJK and Latin alphanumeric) encoded for compatibility with East Asian character sets
. Therefore, someone who searched for "㌽" now knows why it exists. That's a helpful redirect. Your argument would make sense if the nominated redirect was ポイント, but it's not. It is entirely possible that someone who puts "㌽" in the search box actually wants to know about the Unicode character itself and not about the Japanese word wikt:ポイント.PS: Noncharacter has a specific meaning as far as Unicode is concerned. U+333D is not a "noncharacter". Nickps (talk) 16:33, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- "Covered" means that the character U+333D ㌽ SQUARE POINTO is explained in CJK Compatibility.
- Sorry, but I don't understand what you mean by "covered". Is the J word ポイント "covered"? Actually I think that of course it is (just about) acceptable to describe (non-)characters like this in an article about obscure features of Unicode, but it is also OK to have an article on the Hungarian language - but this does not mean that just any Hungarian word should redirect to it. And yes, this (non-)character appears on web pages, but I can only find it on dictionary and similar pages, where it is often just some sort of redirect. Challenge: can you find a single use of this (non-)character in use in a document on the Web? Imaginatorium (talk) 16:14, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to CJK Compatibility per Nickps and other discussions on Unicode symbols. CJK Compatibility also helpfully links the character to the Wictionary entry in case a user needs further clarification on what the symbol means. ― Synpath 03:29, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to CJK Compatibility#Block, which seems to be the best of choices more preferable than the current target. Whether or not every such character should have such a redirect is a larger question to be addressed elsewhere (if it has been, I am unaware). — Godsy (TALKCONT) 20:28, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Search considers ㌽ and ポイント to be interchangeable. Therefore, currently Special:Search/ポイント leads to ㌽. Therefore, I propose that if this RfD closes as retarget per my !vote, regular ポイント is created as a crosswiki to wiktionary:Special:Search/ポイント. I consider this a case of WP:SMALLDETAILS. Nickps (talk) 11:12, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- But this seems to show up the absurdity of this whole mess. If ポイント should have a redirect, surely every other Japanese word should also have a redirect? じゃないの? Imaginatorium (talk) 11:22, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
surely every other Japanese word should also have a redirect
. Not really, only the ones that have associated Unicode characters. The redirects from individual Unicode characters are useful. Apart from what I've already said above, consider {{unichar}} which links to the character page if an empty|nlink=
parameter is passed to it. U+333D ㌽ SQUARE POINTO works fine right now. Why break it? On the other hand, yes, keeping the redirect creates a pretty astonishing result for anyone who searches regular ポイント. But we don't need to delete to fix that; creating ポイント also works. I think the usefulness of the ㌽ redirect is enough to warrant the WP:RFOREIGN exception I'm asking for here. Nickps (talk) 12:25, 15 June 2024 (UTC)- You say the "usefulness" of the ㌽ redirect. Can you describe a plausible scenario in which a non-Japanese-speaking user could have this Unicode value "in their hand " so to speak, in order to paste it into the WP search box? Unless of course they got it from a dictionary/Unicode site, and already know what it is? Can you cite a single instance of this Unicode value in a document on the net? And please avoid using the term "Unicode character" to describe something which is not a character. Imaginatorium (talk) 03:53, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don't really need to accommodate your nonstandard definition of "character". A Unicode compatibility character is still a Unicode character.
Can you describe a plausible scenario in which a non-Japanese-speaking user could have this Unicode value "in their hand " so to speak, in order to paste it into the WP search box?
This Wikipedia is made for English speakers not "non-Japansese" speakers. Some of these English speakers who understand Japanese at some level but still prefer to use enwiki may end up on e.g. [34] or [35] and then search the character. Nickps (talk) 04:33, 18 June 2024 (UTC)- Why would you be fluent enough to end up at [chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://www.city.iwaki.lg.jp/www/contents/1522805848362/simple/shouhinn.pdf your first example], but then rely on English Wikipedia to explain this to you, instead of Japanese Wikipedia? Why would you expect Enwiki to explain everything about every language? Fram (talk) 07:51, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don't really need to accommodate your nonstandard definition of "character". A Unicode compatibility character is still a Unicode character.
- You say the "usefulness" of the ㌽ redirect. Can you describe a plausible scenario in which a non-Japanese-speaking user could have this Unicode value "in their hand " so to speak, in order to paste it into the WP search box? Unless of course they got it from a dictionary/Unicode site, and already know what it is? Can you cite a single instance of this Unicode value in a document on the net? And please avoid using the term "Unicode character" to describe something which is not a character. Imaginatorium (talk) 03:53, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- But this seems to show up the absurdity of this whole mess. If ポイント should have a redirect, surely every other Japanese word should also have a redirect? じゃないの? Imaginatorium (talk) 11:22, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 16:30, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
Delete - As explained in WP:RFOREIGN,Updating my position - see below BugGhost🪲👻 11:36, 21 June 2024 (UTC)redirects in languages other than English that point to articles not directly related to that language (or a culture associated with that language) should generally not be kept
. As others have pointed out it is a character (in the Unicode sense), but this symbol represents a non-English word and so (in my opinion) falls under that guideline and shouldn't be kept. I also don't think it should redirect to CJK Compatibility, because users typically expect redirects to go to the contents/meaning of the search, rather than their technical representation (eg. 🛑 goes to Stop sign, not Transport and Map Symbols; ㎯ goes to Angular acceleration, not CJK Compatibility; 🯈 goes to Stick figure not Symbols for Legacy Computing etc), and we don't (and shouldn't) have an article on the meaning of ㌽, and just the fact that it is represented with a single unicode code-point is just technical trivia. It doesn't mean CJK Compatibility, so it shouldn't go there - the result would astonish.- It's interesting that you brought up Symbols for Legacy Computing. The stick figures are the exception; most characters in that block do in fact redirect to Symbols for Legacy Computing. In my opinion this shows that redirecting a character to the Unicode block it belongs to is perfectly acceptable. Not only that, but it also makes more sense since that's what the characters are. We don't redirect 🮕 to Checkerboard and we don't redirect 🯄 to Question mark because they are primarily Symbols for Legacy Computing. Nickps (talk) 21:42, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Huh, you're right - I wasn't intending to cherrypick there, I just searched one from that block at random - thanks for the correction. (I would argue that 🮕 and 🯄 probably should go to checkerboard and question mark respectively, but that's a topic for a different RfD.) I've been thinking about this a bit more and have changed my mind on this topic - retarget to CJK Compatibility#Block probably is the right choice. Same part of WP:FOREIGN that I quoted earlier - the CJK comp block probably does count as
directly related to that language (or a culture associated with that language)
, and so it could make sense as a valid target. BugGhost🪲👻 14:30, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Huh, you're right - I wasn't intending to cherrypick there, I just searched one from that block at random - thanks for the correction. (I would argue that 🮕 and 🯄 probably should go to checkerboard and question mark respectively, but that's a topic for a different RfD.) I've been thinking about this a bit more and have changed my mind on this topic - retarget to CJK Compatibility#Block probably is the right choice. Same part of WP:FOREIGN that I quoted earlier - the CJK comp block probably does count as
- It's interesting that you brought up Symbols for Legacy Computing. The stick figures are the exception; most characters in that block do in fact redirect to Symbols for Legacy Computing. In my opinion this shows that redirecting a character to the Unicode block it belongs to is perfectly acceptable. Not only that, but it also makes more sense since that's what the characters are. We don't redirect 🮕 to Checkerboard and we don't redirect 🯄 to Question mark because they are primarily Symbols for Legacy Computing. Nickps (talk) 21:42, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
Epsilon Eridani c[edit]
Papa Emeritus 2[edit]
- Papa Emeritus 2 → Tobias Forge (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Papa Emeritus redirects to Ghost (Swedish band)#Papa Emeritus section and already covers Papa Emeritus II.
I wonder if the initially capitalized redirect contradicts with Papa emeritus (Bishops in the Catholic Church#Pope emeritus). LEILA FERRAZ (talk) 19:32, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep or Retarget to Ghost (Swedish band)#Papa Emeritus. Either way, the use of "2" makes it seem as though it does not/could not refer to Bishops in the Catholic Church#Pope emeritus. Steel1943 (talk) 21:30, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep or Retarget to Ghost (Swedish band)#Papa Emeritus per Steel1943. Intrisit (talk) 19:54, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- If this is retargeted, Papa Emeritus II and Papa Emeritus III should probably also be retargeted. Might be worth adding both these (and possibly Papa Emeritus) to this discussion. Alternatively, if it seems to be uncontroversial where these should all point, they can be retargeted without any RFD discussion. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 00:34, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Keep or retarget?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Thryduulf (talk) 10:00, 18 June 2024 (UTC)- The issue is that both targets (Tobias Forge#Ghost, which is what this should be refined to if Kept, and Ghost (Swedish band)#Papa Emeritus) discuss Tobias's role as the Papa Emeritus character in *all* incarnations of the character-- Papa Emeritus I, II, III, 0, and IV. That said, I'm leaning towards Refine for this specific redirect; the incarnation Papa Emeritus II does get a little more discussion in Tobias's article compared to Ghost's article.Either way, I do think the two sections need to be hatnoted together-- they talk about the same thing, so they should get a "See also" connecting them. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 11:44, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
Botswanan[edit]
It should redirect to Motswana. Not sure why this got reverted, the authority is wikitionary or however you spell it. Botswanan is not a proper word. [36] [37] [38] [39] [40] [41] [42] [43] [44] OK I think I’ve made my point. 48JCL 01:54, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- @48JCL: I have reverted your bold retarget and restored the redirect with the RfD tag as nominated to allow for proper consensus to be reached on where to target this. As stated at WP:RFD,
please do not unilaterally rename or change the target of a redirect while it is under discussion
. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 04:27, 18 June 2024 (UTC) - Comment 48JCL I think you maybe need to give a bit more of an argument for why it should be retargeted. Even if Botswanan isn't a "proper" word I think for most readers the main Botswana article is a good target; it also mentions the Tswana people in the lead paragraph for example. Skynxnex (talk) 15:22, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- "Botswanan" not being 'a proper word' isn't really an issue-- the question is if it's *a plausible word*. Adding an -n, -an, or -ian suffix to the name of a place is a typical English way of signifying "from this place" or "people from this place", see American, Mexican, Canadian, Italian, ect, just like "-ish" (English, Spanish, ect) or "-ese" (Japanese, Chinese, Portuguese, ect). I can easily see someone unfamiliar with the term Batswana to invent terms like Botswanese, Botswanish, or, yes, Botswanan.That said, I would
Retargetto the Tswana DAB, simply to match the other 'from this place' words above. The searcher is clearly looking for information on *something* from Botswana- let's both inform them of the correct term, AND offer up the multiple meanings for said word. After all, who's to say they're not looking for the language they speak in Botswana? 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 15:46, 18 June 2024 (UTC)- Comment @Lunamann, the proper denonym is at Motswana. 48JCL 13:14, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- That... definitely presents an issue, given part of the reason I targeted the Tswana DAB was its link to Tswana language; many demonyms also serve as a name for the language that group uses (see English, Chinese, German, ect); and given Botswanan is a made-up and incorrect demonym, there's really nothing stopping someone from also using it as an incorrect name for the language.The only idea I have is, to retarget to the Motswana DAB, and then add a See Also that targets the Tswana DAB? 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 14:10, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Lunamann: Yes, that does seem to be a problem; I will ping Lefcentreright and John, who were able to somewhat eradicate the term from the Wikipedia and replace it with proper terms. 48JCL 22:33, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- That... definitely presents an issue, given part of the reason I targeted the Tswana DAB was its link to Tswana language; many demonyms also serve as a name for the language that group uses (see English, Chinese, German, ect); and given Botswanan is a made-up and incorrect demonym, there's really nothing stopping someone from also using it as an incorrect name for the language.The only idea I have is, to retarget to the Motswana DAB, and then add a See Also that targets the Tswana DAB? 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 14:10, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment @Lunamann, the proper denonym is at Motswana. 48JCL 13:14, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to the dab per Lunamann. The word appears in dictionaries (Cambridge, Oxford) and is used by reliable sources such as the United States Mission to the United Nations, Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the People's Republic of China, Cardiff University and Florida State University among others as well as lots of other sites I haven't bothered to assess for reliability. Even if it isn't a "proper word" (which seems doubtful given that evidence) it is very much a plausible search term. Thryduulf (talk) 16:53, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment What about creating a disambiguation page that points to Botswana, Tswana people and Tswana language? --Error (talk) 09:48, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- I think this is the better solution. The sources that Thryduulf has included in their comment show that "Botswanan" refers just as much to the country itself as it does to the people or language. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 18:30, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- I wouldn't be opposed to this. Support. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 19:39, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- I have no objections to this. Thryduulf (talk) 10:36, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support this, sounds like the most helpful solution. BugGhost🪲👻 09:48, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
LGBT in Russia[edit]
Sdn Bhd[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 25#Sdn Bhd
June 17[edit]
Template:WikiProject Open Access/OAFD[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 25#Template:WikiProject Open Access/OAFD
Frank Blackmore (Emmerdale)[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 25#Frank Blackmore (Emmerdale)
Emmerdale Character list (NEW)[edit]
LGBTZ[edit]
Emigration from North Korea[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 25#Emigration from North Korea
Historic church[edit]
The Hollies' Greatest Hits (1968 West German album)[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 25#The Hollies' Greatest Hits (1968 West German album)
GWR network[edit]
- GWR network → Great Western Railway (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Where could this possibly lead to? The original GWR (current target), the modern one, GWR (disambiguation), Great Western Railway (disambiguation). Who knows... Otherwise, it can be deleted since its too ambiguaious JuniperChill (talk) 12:39, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- This is a plausible search term that could refer to the network of multiple of the railway companies listed at Great Western Railway (disambiguation), possibly (but I don't know how likely) the network of flights operated by Aura Airlines and possibly the radio network of GWR Group. Either retargeting to the existing Great Western Railway (disambiguation) with a hatnote to one or both the other two, or a separate disambig page are the best for readers here. Thryduulf (talk) 12:55, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think we should include Aura Airlines as while that is the ICAO airline code, I don't think anyone refers it to that (and also a relatively obscure airline), just as the code for Greater Anglia is officially (de jure) LE, but it's most commonly (de facto) shortened to GA instead. Maybe retarget to GWR instead? Since idk what should happen, we should wait for other users to see. JuniperChill (talk) 13:11, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- There are only two entries on the GWR page that could plausibly have networks and which do not appear on Great Western Railway (disambiguation) (the airline and the media group), but there are multiple railways that have networks which are listed on the longer-titled dab page but not at GWR. So if a separate dab page is not the chosen outcome, Great Western Railway (disambiguation) is, in my opinion, a better target than GWR. Obviously there is no need to take action before other people have had a chance to express their opinions. Thryduulf (talk) 13:19, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- I (the nom) would Retarget to Great Western Railway (disambiguation) then. With a hatnote saying:
{{redirect|GWR network|the airline with the ICAO code|Aura Airlines|the radio network|GWR Group}}
JuniperChill (talk) 19:34, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- There are only two entries on the GWR page that could plausibly have networks and which do not appear on Great Western Railway (disambiguation) (the airline and the media group), but there are multiple railways that have networks which are listed on the longer-titled dab page but not at GWR. So if a separate dab page is not the chosen outcome, Great Western Railway (disambiguation) is, in my opinion, a better target than GWR. Obviously there is no need to take action before other people have had a chance to express their opinions. Thryduulf (talk) 13:19, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think we should include Aura Airlines as while that is the ICAO airline code, I don't think anyone refers it to that (and also a relatively obscure airline), just as the code for Greater Anglia is officially (de jure) LE, but it's most commonly (de facto) shortened to GA instead. Maybe retarget to GWR instead? Since idk what should happen, we should wait for other users to see. JuniperChill (talk) 13:11, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
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- I mean we don't, but don't we *do* have See Also sections? 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 17:27, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Sure thing @Jay / @Lunamann if consensus is to retarget to Great Western Railway (disambiguation0. JuniperChill (talk) 19:16, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- I mean we don't, but don't we *do* have See Also sections? 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 17:27, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- @JuniperChill: We don't put hatnotes in disambiguation pages. Jay 💬 15:44, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
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Elephant population[edit]
- Elephant population → Elephant#Status (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Procedural nomination for speedy deletion candidate, as requested at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2024 May 17. jp×g🗯️ 03:07, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Simple search term leads to a section that has detailed information about the search term. This is textbook redirect usage. Ca talk to me! 09:06, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Ca. Someone searching for "Elephant population" which is unquestionably something people will search Wikipedia for, will find the information at the target. Thryduulf (talk) 12:07, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- List of elephant species by population is a possible retarget. —Cryptic 14:26, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as a very reasonable search term. Either the current target or List of elephant species by population is acceptable. Frank Anchor 22:27, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to List of elephant species by population, as redirects to more specific pages are usually preferable to redirects to sections of more general pages. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 23:11, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep or Retarget, Lean Keep - List of elephant species by population is in the section hatnote, which is why I'd lean towards just keeping it... but that link does provide more information than the section, so I can see the argument for just skipping straight to the point. Either way is fine by me, to be honest, and my preference for keep is VERY slight. Fieari (talk) 04:14, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep: If it goes to the list, someone will see "populations of Proboscidean species" and could get very confused, whereas the prose and elephant pictures under the Status section are clearly relevant. Also I would add "R with possibilities" as I could see the section expanding and describing the individual populations with prose - the "notes" column in the list article is quite detailed. Mathnerd314159 (talk) 20:17, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to List of elephant species by population, as per Chaotic Enby. If a user is searching for elephant population, give 'em elephant population BugGhost🪲👻 17:12, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to List of elephant species by population per Bugghost. -- Tavix (talk) 21:07, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Long term, retargeting to List of elephant species by population is probably more helpful. There's currently little body text, but there probably should be more, and the only reason I see to prefer Elephant#Status at this moment is that it provides more information. The fix to that is adding information to the list article; I'd do it myself if I had any understanding of the subject, and I may tackle it anyway if nobody else does (no promises, though). Skarmory (talk • contribs) 21:11, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to List of elephant species by population. (I'm old enough to remember the time when Colbert and company made a big deal out of this meme, one of the earliest concerning WP.) --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 21:08, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
Tom (programming language)[edit]
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International Networking Working Group[edit]
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'Umar ibn Sahlan as-Sawi[edit]
- 'Umar ibn Sahlan as-Sawi → Zayn al-Din Omar Savaji (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I am not good at Islamic naming or there about but I can find any clue with this particular redirect. It is also a near close and unlikely when searched on web browsers. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 16:16, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- This might be the same person. An expert in Persian might help with https://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/ابن_سهلان_ساوجی Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:48, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Here's the internal link version of that external link, fa:ابن_سهلان_ساوجی, since we can do that. Steel1943 (talk) 13:15, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- A good place to check for these kinds of things is OCLC. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 20:05, 21 May 2024 (UTC).
- Delete as confusing, since there's no evident connection between the redirect and its target, and we don't even know if both are the same person. CycloneYoris talk! 20:37, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I do not know any Arabic nor Arabic naming conventions, but the two names might refer to the same person. Encyclopædia Iranica lists him as EBN SAHLĀN SĀVAJĪ, Qāżī ZAYN-AL-DĪN ʿOMAR. The two names identify the same father and have similar first names (Omar and ʿUmar). Ca talk to me! 07:26, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- It isn't Arabic. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:15, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- My mistake, I got tripped up by the Arabic script, which apparently Persian uses. Ca talk to me! 13:35, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- It isn't Arabic. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:15, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
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Battles of Bohorodychne and Krasnopillia[edit]
- Battles of Bohorodychne and Krasnopillia → Battle of Donbas (2022) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Editor-coined term for a since-merged series of events. Not in usage anywhere outside of Wikipedia mirrors. SaintPaulOfTarsus (talk) 21:55, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support This is not a named event nor are the events that the former article referred to independently notable. No good reason to keep this. Cinderella157 (talk) 10:23, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note that this has prior article history and is a {{R from merge}}. * Pppery * it has begun... 22:21, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep to preserve history, as content from the page continues to exist at the current target. signed, Rosguill talk 19:31, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
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User:Arado Ar 196/Userbox/Userbox Yuri fanatic[edit]
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User:Arado Ar 196/Userbox/Global Gay Communist Anime[edit]
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Magburn[edit]
Science Update[edit]
- Science Update → American Association for the Advancement of Science (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at the target article, leaving the connection between the redirect and the target subject unclear. Steel1943 (talk) 05:14, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Seems to be related to a website called Science Update. Their about page states that they are an "re-incarnation" of an AAAS-produced radio show of the same name. Ca talk to me! 09:02, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Few minutes of searching around on old newspapers in newspapers.com did not give anything substantial, though I did find a Boston Globe Issue. With the Common Sense Media source, a mention might be able to be added. Ca talk to me! 13:33, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
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P♯[edit]
Glory Hallelujah[edit]
Druisk[edit]
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Discrimination in Nova Scotia[edit]
Bullying in Nova Scotia[edit]
Harassment in Nova Scotia[edit]
S.K. Umesh (Retired SP)[edit]
English Constitution Party[edit]
google.bb[edit]
Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's 100 metres[edit]
June 13[edit]
Talk:COVID-19/Current consensus[edit]
Kazakh Guide Association[edit]
Matriotism[edit]
Peanut butter burger[edit]
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Fourth mode of transport[edit]
Intruder alert[edit]
Ruby and Sapphire[edit]
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2024 Dublin Bay North by-election[edit]
Intruder Alert! Intruder Alert![edit]
Technical music[edit]
Bienver metal[edit]
Under the influence of alcohol[edit]
Electric Turbo[edit]
- Electric Turbo → Porsche Taycan (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The Porsche Taycan 'Turbo' models don't actually have a turbocharger, it's just a namesake for a higher-performance model of a car. In that sense, it's kinda misleading. I did a google search, and 'electric turbo' doesn't seem to be a common nickname for the Taycan Turbo models either. Now, looking at retarget options, there does exist electric supercharger (I know technically there's no such thing as an "electric turbo" but that's what {{R from incorrect name}} is for), but having a look at that article, there also exists electrically-assisted turbocharger, so I'm not sure where to retarget it to. — AP 499D25 (talk) 06:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig between electrically-assisted turbocharger and electric supercharger. The term seems to be used for both. Thryduulf (talk) 09:25, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to electrically assisted turbocharger - most logical destination for someone searching the term. --Sable232 (talk) 14:44, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Disambiguate the term can also refer to electric-motor-assist power boost (ie. hybrid vehicle with electric assist drive mode, to add power to the gasoline engine's power output) as "turbo" can just refer to a power boost. -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 07:55, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Szökés[edit]
Conjunctival pallor[edit]
Anagrams as establishment of priority[edit]
Hurt (Witt Lowry song)[edit]
June 12[edit]
Orange star[edit]
- Orange star → Orange Star (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Retarget to K-type main-sequence star per WP:DIFFCAPS and WP:PTOPIC: the star type is far more important and has more long-term significance. Cremastra (talk) 21:41, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig. There is no clear primary topic on Wikipedia, with both current and proposed targets being in use alongside Multiple working#First-generation. On Google there is a clear primary topic but it's plants not any of the preceding. Looking closer there are at least three different types referred to an Aglaonema, Ornithogalum dubium and a Hosta cultivar. Thryduulf (talk) 22:37, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to
K-type main-sequence starStellar classification#Class K per WP:DIFFCAPS and WP:PTOPIC. For the plant names above... if the google hits Thryduulf mentioned qualify as WP:RS, then the information should be added, and Orange Star (with the title case) should be made into the disambiguation page (and a hatnote on the K-type main-sequence star should link to it). However, without the title case, I don't think the plant names would really count here, and capitalization matters. This is reliant on the google hits being reliable sources, however. Currently, closest mention is that Ornithogalum dubium says it is sometimes called a "sun star", not an orange star. Fieari (talk) 23:22, 12 June 2024 (UTC)- It doesn't matter whether uses of a term are in reliable sources or not, only that they are used. In the case of most of the hits I have no idea if they are reliable or not (it's not a topic area I'm familiar with) however the Royal Horticultural Society is definitely reliable. Thryduulf (talk) 10:27, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- If it was a matter of being a redirect directly to one of the flowers, I'd agree that a reliable source is not needed, just evidence of use... but for creating a user-facing disambiguation page, I'd think we do need a reliable source. (Please correct me if I'm wrong though, I try to be aware of wikipedia policy, but I don't know everything.) Certainly we'd need a reliable source to put it in the articles directly, and it would be flat-out weird to have a disambiguation page pointing to an article that didn't mention what the DAB says. Fieari (talk) 23:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- I've left at note at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Horticulture and Gardening. Hopefully editors there will be able to assist, although it doesn't give the opinion of being very active. Thryduulf (talk) 10:38, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- If it was a matter of being a redirect directly to one of the flowers, I'd agree that a reliable source is not needed, just evidence of use... but for creating a user-facing disambiguation page, I'd think we do need a reliable source. (Please correct me if I'm wrong though, I try to be aware of wikipedia policy, but I don't know everything.) Certainly we'd need a reliable source to put it in the articles directly, and it would be flat-out weird to have a disambiguation page pointing to an article that didn't mention what the DAB says. Fieari (talk) 23:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- It doesn't matter whether uses of a term are in reliable sources or not, only that they are used. In the case of most of the hits I have no idea if they are reliable or not (it's not a topic area I'm familiar with) however the Royal Horticultural Society is definitely reliable. Thryduulf (talk) 10:27, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: if this redirect is retargeted, it should point to Stellar classification#Class K as {{R from avoided double redirect}}, because K-type star redirects there. Because the title of the redirect is 'Orange star' and not 'Orange main-sequence star' or 'Orange dwarf', this could also refer to subgiant, giant or supergiant stars, so it should not specifically target K-type main-sequence star and should go to K-type star (or in this case where K-type star redirects). InterstellarGamer12321 (talk | contribs) 16:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- I watch at the horticulture and gardening project, and I came here from Thryduulf's note. My impression is that the plant names, as common names, are not as useful as search terms as the Latin binomials, so I would go with retargeting the redirect according to the astronomy nomenclature, whatever that may be. It might be fairly common to refer to the Ornithogalum that way, but I think it would be somewhat atypical for Aglaonema, and downright bizarre for Hosta. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:46, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate, with Orangestar, and with a see also section for at least Orange knobby star, Orange Rising Star Award, Orange sun star, and Orange County Blue Star. BD2412 T 20:15, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: I have begun a disambiguation page for this purpose at Orange star (disambiguation). BD2412 T 20:19, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Cremastra, Thryduulf, Fieari, InterstellarGamer12321, and Tryptofish: - thoughts? This could be moved to Orange star, or kept at the disambiguation title with a hatnote from wherever "Orange star" is targeted. BD2412 T 20:45, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- I like that DAB page. I sort-of like the second idea, of keeping it as a DAB page and using hatnotes, but I think that depends on what the astronomy-oriented editors think about what should be the primary topic, and I'll defer to them. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:55, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- My feeling is that the star is still likely the WP:PTOPIC, but there should be a hatnote linking to the very good DAB you've made there. (A section hatnote in this case, since the star redirect points to a specific section.) Fieari (talk) 23:16, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate which would now entail moving BD2412's disambiguation onto this redirect. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:33, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
Doug Lawrence[edit]
French-speakers outside of Quebec[edit]
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Ragnarock music[edit]
Untitled Beetlejuice sequel[edit]
Raisi[edit]
- Raisi → Ebrahim Raisi (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Raisi (disambiguation) → Ebrahim Raisi (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
A quick explainer on the history of this redirect: Initially, Raisi had been a redirect to Raisi, Razavi Khorasan (an article about a tiny village). Later on, I moved the article to its present title, intending to disambiguate the base title. However, I then noticed that Raisi (disambiguation) already existed, so I made a request at WP:RM/TR, which was promptly fulfilled. Thus, Raisi became a dab page, with Raisi (disambiguation) a redirect to it. In the last chapter of this saga, IP user 2601:646:8003:6B20:894E:7841:319C:88CA redirected the page to Ebrahim Raisi, so the page Raisi (disambiguation) was automatically retargeted as well. However, since it has (disambiguation)
in the title, it's eligible for deletion under G14 if kept as is.
I see two (or maybe three) options out of this strange pickle:
- Firstly (and what I advocate), we could restore the dab page at Raisi, and retarget Raisi (disambiguation) to Raisi. This restores the previous status quo.
- Secondly, we could have Raisi as a redirect to Ebrahim Raisi, and Raisi (disambiguation) be the dab page. I have at least two issues with this: firstly, that Ebrahim Raisi might not pass ten year test, despite his newfound fame due to his death. Plus, here's also the technical history of attribution when dabbing Raisi (disambiguation). However, if there's enough support for it, I could see this work.
- Thirdly, and the option I'd oppose the most, we keep Raisi, speedy delete Raisi (disambiguation), and handle disambiguation via some sort of massive hatnote(s) on the article Ebrahim Raisi. The reason I'd oppose this so much is because the hatnote(s) would have to be enormous - the previous dab page had ten entries, plus one see also.
Anyways, yeah, this is complicated.
Duckmather (talk) 22:06, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Option 1: Restore Raisi as a disambiguation page. Ibrahim Raisi was not primarily known by that name, so WP:DABPARTIAL applies. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 23:47, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- I think option 2 is best. The late president is certainly the primary topic here and most likely was even before his death. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 12:24, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Option 2, even if the president doesn't hold that much power compared to the Supreme Leader, he is still the primary topic here. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 15:15, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- If the hatnote on top of the village article is actually correct, and there is substantial ambiguity about what a toponym of "Raisi" means in Iran, we should keep a disambiguation list. The location of the list, whether at the base name or separately, depends on whether the average English reader strongly associates the term with the person. It looks like we already have articles about Heshmat Raisi and Ahmed Naser Al-Raisi, so this word is not uncommon in anthroponymy. I'd err on the side of caution and put disambiguation at the base name, and observe traffic patterns for a few months afterwards. If we see that the preponderance of readers go for the single person, then we go for the redirect. Because of the recent death of the proposed primary topic, there's obvious WP:Recentism here. --Joy (talk) 11:15, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, I just noticed that old content of the Raisi disambiguation page lists even more people, and has for a couple of years before this recent incident. [45] had no edit summary whatsoever and should have been reverted first. --Joy (talk) 11:20, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
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Roman Catholid Diocese of Down and Connor[edit]
IRC +10414[edit]
- IRC +10414 → IRC −10414 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Procedural listing; a previous RfD was closed with a consensus to retarget, but InTheAstronomy32 has reverted this. SevenSpheres (talk) 18:44, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as a misspelling. I changed the redirect target because i believe that 'IRC +10414' is a misspelling of IRC -10414 and is the better redirect target so far. An article about this star likely will be never created due to notability issues. InTheAstronomy32 (talk) 18:48, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Two-Micron Sky Survey per previous RFD. IRC +10414 refers to this star, not IRC -10414, which is this star. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 18:48, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete This was never an article, and it isn't mentioned at either target. No pageviews in the last month. I really don't see how this redirect is helpful. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:18, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Agreed with Presidentman here and Kusma from the prefious RfD, but I'd like to add that the naming scheme of the star is very intentional (from Two-Micron Sky Survey:
index consists of two numbers - declination rounded to multiplier of 10 degrees, with sign, and star ordinal number within declination band
) and if you typo the sign you should expect to be taken to a different star or nowhere. ― Synpath 23:20, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget per the consensus of arguments in the previous RfD, which I find more compelling than the alternatives. Thryduulf (talk) 11:52, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, not mentioned at Two-Micron Sky Survey, and people looking for the other star and making the typo might believe that the star actually doesn't have a standalone article, while a red link can be more indicative of them having made a typo. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 19:22, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete it isn't a usable misspelling since it is a different star. That star is not currently in Wikipedia. so either stub up an article, or delete the redirect -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 08:04, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- An article about IRC +10414 is likely to be never created, it is just a faint Mira variable that fails WP:NASTRO. Deleting also would not be helpful, it is better to retain this page as a redirect to IRC -10414 since it is a plausible misspelling. 21 Andromedae (talk) 19:12, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note to closers that user 21 Andromedae was formerly called InTheAstronomy32 alluded to in the nomination, and who voted under the former name. Jay 💬 03:15, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
Metal (group)[edit]
बालवीर[edit]
Wikipedia:Michael Aarons[edit]
Bible Videos[edit]
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June 11[edit]
Rich young man[edit]
2025 United Kingdom general election[edit]
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Toyotathon[edit]
American Evacuation Day[edit]
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The Stand Off[edit]
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Mika Model (film)[edit]
Mimi from Rio (film)[edit]
Lady Business[edit]
Ryland Adams[edit]
Kahru[edit]
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Valinor Hills Station[edit]
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Internet Phone Operating System[edit]
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Apple Internet Phone Operating System[edit]
Bush Derangement Syndrom[edit]
Drake LaRoche[edit]
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Hendrik Sal-Saller[edit]
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Blagger[edit]
- Blagger → Social engineering (security)#Pretexting (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This was flagged up at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation#Searching for "Blagger" currently redirects to a page with no mention of the word. by user:Oathed with the comment seems weird that it doesn't link or disambig to Blagger (video game). Not sure how to mark a page for "Disambig page needed".
At the very least this does need a hatnote to the video game, but I'm not acutally sure the video game isn't the primary target. Neither the present target nor Pretexting (linked as the main article) use the term. The only other uses I'm finding (Blaggers ITA (formerly known as The Blaggers) and The Blaggers Guide would be at most see-alsos on a dab page.
The video game article was created at this title but moved in March 2018 by Zxcvbnm with the summary "Merge, in order to disambiguate" but they just changed the redirect target and added a hatnote. The hatnote was removed without explanation by an IP in 2020, but the mention of "blagging" had been removed in July 2018 as part of a cull of unreferenced information by Michaelgt123. None of "blag", "blagging" or "blagger" has ever been included in the Pretext article. Thryduulf (talk) 20:27, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete and move Blagger (video game) to it.
- The redirect made at least some sense at the time it was created. The article Pretext, as it appeared at the time, was about the general well-understood meaning of a "pretext"; a reason given in justification of a course of action that is not the real reason. It had only a single paragraph describing the social engineering trick.
- Meanwhile, the article Social engineering (security), as it appeared at the time, in the section Pretexting, said "Pretexting..., also known in the UK as blagging". So that made at least some sense as a target (although even then, I think the video game article would have been a more appropriate target).
- The video game seems pretty clearly to be the primary use for "Blagger"; if the "blagging" text is re-added to the Social engineering (security) article (as it probably should, there seems to be sufficient documentation of that, e.g., [46] at the BBC), it can be dealt with by ordinary disambiguation (hatnote or a Blagger (disambiguation) page, as appropriate). TJRC (talk) 02:39, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- The page mover / redirect creator Zxcvbnm was notified in the nomination, however I have just notified at the talk page as well. Jay 💬 11:24, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate "Blagging" is another term for social engineering (see here and here). If that isn't the primary topic, then it should be disambiguated between social engineering (security) and the game, not have the game moved back here. That would be the height of folly when it could simply be re-added with a single sentence referenced to a reliable source. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:00, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 08:26, 11 June 2024 (UTC)- Delete, move Blagger (video game) to it, then add a hatnote. "Blagging" is an informal term in UK that has similarities to social engineering, but it's not quite the same thing - it's just a phrase that sort of means "bullshitter", someone who can make up lies quickly - social engineers will blag, but not all blaggers are social engineers. For example most improv comedians are good blaggers, but that doesn't mean they are doing anything nefarious. Seeing as Blagger (video game) exists, it should be the primary topic. BugGhost🪲👻 13:53, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's also not exclusively lying per se - it includes things like asking for something you know you aren't entitled to on the off-chance that the person you're asking wont check, presenting truths misleadingly or selectively. It is very significantly broader than social engineering. Thryduulf (talk) 11:51, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
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Bui Quoc Huy[edit]
- Bui Quoc Huy → Bùi Quang Huy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Redirect is protected, discussion created on behalf of 2600:6C44:117F:95BE:9460:4DA2:ADC1:9976. Their request was the following: Bui Quoc Huy and Bùi Quang Huy are 2 different names in Vietnamese. They're not interchangeable names. Bui Quoc Huy page should not be a redirect page. It should be deleted and applied article creation protection afterwards due to persistent sock activities in the past. Those socks have been trying to write a PR article on Bui Quoc Huy for years in Vietnamese Wikipedia too. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Smagzine for more information. This page is a direct result of a sock master. It was later turned into a redirect page.
Tollens (talk) 19:30, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom unless someone can give a convincing reason for keeping. These appear to be completely different names, so I can't see why we would redirect one to the other. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 17:13, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
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@Discospinster, Doomsdayer520, Onel5969, and Seraphimblade: pinging the participants and closer of the AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 17:21, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- There were too many moves happening. Pinging Materialscientist and Rosguill to throw some light. Jay 💬 15:32, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- So, for some reason the first move by Alexcreatorcaa to hijack Bùi Quang Huy ended up deleted from the page history (Special:Undelete/Bùi_Quang_Huy) and instead we just see their subsequent moves through Wikipedia space and back. It seems that other than the attempted hijack, there is no reason for there to be a redirect between these names, and we have no obligation to preserve the sockpuppet's edits, so delete seems appropriate. I think the AfD discussion erred in presuming that the redirect was somehow useful. signed, Rosguill talk 16:22, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
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Oh, do not cry. Be good children and we will all meet in Heaven.[edit]
- Oh, do not cry. Be good children and we will all meet in Heaven. → Andrew Jackson (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
There are numerous variations of what the subject apparently said on his death bed, with only some close to this topic title. That said, I can't see how two full sentences would ever be a useful search term and it isn't even the one used in the subject's article. I'd question it even if the quote was closer to what is most commonly reported. Bungle (talk • contribs) 17:26, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. As OP explains, it's a highly improbable search term. I'll add that nothing in article space links to it. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 17:30, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Agreed with the rationale presented by Bungle and Hydrangeans. --ARoseWolf 17:43, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. An article on this topic is clearly a problem in multiple ways.
- With respect to where the sense of the quote probably came from:
- The most authoritative secondary source is Remini. His in-depth three volume biography as saying: Where is my daughter and Marion, God will take care of you for me. I am my God’s. I belong to him, I go but a short time before you, and I want to meet you all in heaven, both white and black. Then a bit later...What is the matter with my Dear children, have I alarmed your Oh, do not cry—be good children and we will all meet in heaven.
- Remini's primary source is a letter written by Andrew Jackson Jr. to Alfred Nicholsen, which was written 9 days after Andrew Jackson, Sr.'s death. A version of this letter is available in JSTOR from the 1947 Tennessee Historical Quarterly.
- An early alternative is from Jackson's first biographer, Parton, who published his work in 1860, 15 years after Jackson's death. He quotes Hannah Jackson as stating: Be good children, and we will all meet in heaven. Wtfiv (talk) 22:29, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Refine to § "Later life and death (1837–1845)". I'm a bit confused by the rationales here. This is a verifiable variant of a quote that is mentioned in the article. What's implausible about that? Someone could recall the quote, start typing it in, and be led to this article either by search suggestions or results either on-wiki or on an external search engine. However, since the phrase won't come up if typed literatim into ctrl+f, this should be refined to the relevant section. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 17:41, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'd have been more inclined to think it could be worth retaining if it were just Be good children and we will all meet in Heaven, as that phrase would at least form part of the one up for discussion, as well as with any slight variations. I'd have thought any rationale to keep or retain may at least suggest refining the phrase of the title itself to expand variations of searching, perhaps. Even if we don't keep it, it would not mean that results to the individual would not appear, in any case, on or off wiki. Bungle (talk • contribs) 18:08, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Refine per Tamzin. There may be several variations, but this exact quote comes up in many websites - quotefancy, azquotes, quotescosmos, tvtropes, goodreads. Jay 💬 18:21, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Refine. I am convinced by the above rationales. A mention of this variant could be added. Ca talk to me! 07:23, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Refine. I'm convinced by Tamzin's argument. Thryduulf (talk) 09:24, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
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Stressed out[edit]
- Stressed out → Stressed Out (disambiguation) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This redirect has targeted Psychological stress, Stressed Out (disambiguation) and Stressed Out, the Twenty One Pilots song. Its was pointing to the DAB from 2019 until last month and I changed it back to the DAB today. In terms of the discussions it seems there is a consensus that the Twenty One Pilots song is primary for the title case version per WP:DIFFCAPS, see discussions at Talk:Stressed Out and an older one at Talk:Stressed Out (A Tribe Called Quest song)#Requested move 26 November 2015. In terms of Psychological stress I understand we aren't a dictionary but at the same time it could be argued that its safest to disambiguate the lower case. In terms of the options, option A, target Twenty One Pilots song, option B, target DAB, option C, target Psychological stress. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:31, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- B either the generic meaning or Twenty One Pilots song could be primary so its probably best to have no primary topic. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:34, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Option A, revert back to Stressed Out. This is the primary topic, and was the target of the Stressed out redirect until an undiscussed edit by User:Crouch, Swale in 2019.[47] Previous RMs discussing Stressed Out (Twenty One Pilots song) and Stressed Out (A Tribe Called Quest song) are not relevant to the lowercase Stressed out. I see no evidence for DIFFCAPS here; all the articles at the Stressed Out (disambiguation) dabpage are spelled with both capital letters. 162 etc. (talk) 22:18, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- @162 etc.: The closer of the 1st RM Special:Diff/694445799 created a redirect to Stress (psychological) in 2015 and it was changed to the DAB page in 2016 and ended up targeting the Twenty One Pilots song as it was moved to the base name in September 2016 which seems to have been an error from the page move or just people not thinking DIFFCAPS was appropriate. It was changed back to the DAB by me in 2019 and stayed this way until last month when you changed it to the Twenty One Pilots song. I then changed it back to the DAB. So the undiscussed change to target the Twenty One Pilots song need discussion here as it could arguable be changed back to the original target. If all the uses were upper case and Psychological stress didn't exist I agree the default would be to follow the primary topic title case but there is a generic meaning though as noted I'm not sure how likely it is. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:28, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- A per 162. mwwv converse∫edits 13:04, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- C with a hatnote to the disambiguation page. At this capitalisation, and capitalisation matters, my judgement is that most readers are looking for the feeling of psychological stress and not a song. There's no merit in B because all the entries on the dab page are Title Case. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:59, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- With fewer than one hit per day on average, no incoming links and no article that would actually be titled "stressed out", it could really be deleted (option D, anyone?). Although capitalization certainly does matter, it's also true searchers often do skip using the shift key. If "stressed out" really were a likely alternative search term for "psychological stress", I'd say proper capitalization wins out, but I don't see many readers expecting that, and I'd hate to put a hatnote on psychological stress pointing to list of songs, so I'd avoid option C. And just as we shouldn't assume searchers skipping the shift key want a lower-case article, we also shouldn't assume they want the upper-case title, even though with a hatnote already on Stressed Out, that's less of an issue. So option A is reasonable, but because capitalization matters and because we can't say with certainty what most of the tiny number of readers landing on the redirect want, absent deletion I lean toward option B. Station1 (talk) 06:29, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Should Stressed out be deleted, typing "stressed out" in search would result in a reader reaching the page at Stressed Out. This means that "option D" would result in the same thing as option A. 162 etc. (talk) 16:22, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
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- C per Shhh. Mdewman6 (talk) 20:00, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- B, but move Stressed Out (disambiguation) to Stressed out. The lowercase should be the base page name where a lowercase sense exists. BD2412 T 18:09, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Target to Stressed Out, regardless of whether that's kept as the current primary topic, or made into a dab page as primary. Reward the folks looking for something specifically named this. I suspect the vast majority of folks looking for information about psychological stress are going to just look up "stress" instead (already a dab page). 35.139.154.158 (talk) 00:10, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- C - Sorry that this is spreading out the consensus more, but I really and STRONGLY agree with Shhh's assessment that capitalization matters, and that psychological stress is the best target for this particular capitalization. As a secondary option, I would grudgingly accept the disambiguation page, but I strongly object to making this target the song as the primary topic. Capitalization matters! I also object to deletion, as there really should be a way for a user to easily reach psychological stress from this search string, and the default search is unlikely to get there easily. Fieari (talk) 23:26, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- C. When not written in title case, psychological stress is the clear primary topic and we do our readers a disservice by not taking them there. A hatnote to the dab page and song will cater for everyone not looking for the primary topic. Thryduulf (talk) 09:46, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
Pussy in bio[edit]
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Gastrosexual[edit]
- Gastrosexual → Metrosexual (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Gastrosexuality → Metrosexual (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned. Retarget to wikt:gastrosexual if there's no mention anywhere else. --MikutoH talk! 04:51, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Soft redirect Gastrosexual to wikt, and delete Gastrosexuality. Not mentioned anywhere in enwiki. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:50, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. Gastrosexuality existed as its own page before, though the correct term is gastrosexual because it's named in reference to lifestyles like lumbersexual, spornosexual, retrosexual, cosmosexual, frustrosexual, megasexual, ubersexual, ultrasexual, macrosexual, cinesexual, machosexual, and many others. --MikutoH talk! 19:27, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete both. If you want to send the latter to AFD, or even treat it as a soft delete/expired PROD, I don't think that's unreasonable either. I also don't think a soft redir to Wiktionary serves any useful purpose here, and just impedes normal searching. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:03, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect Gastrosexual to wiktionary, delete other. Wiktionary contains useful information about the subject. I am not sure how this would impede normal searching. The history is useless since the text was not incoporated anywhere, and thus carries no attribution issues in deletion. Ca talk to me! 14:16, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Restore Gastrosexuality without prejudice to AfD. The discussion cited was just one person saying "do you mind?" and the other saying "I don't mind", that's not consensus for deletion. Gastrosexual should target Gastrosexuality if it is kept or wiktionary if it isn't. Thryduulf (talk) 09:54, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Restore Gastrosexuality and retarget Gastrosexual to the restored Gastrosexuality per Thryduulf. Jay 💬 06:41, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
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1930–31 Notre Dame Fighting Irish men's basketball team[edit]
- 1930–31 Notre Dame Fighting Irish men's basketball team → Notre Dame Fighting Irish men's basketball (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Redirect should be deleted so editors know which seasons still need to be made, otherwise every season would be a redirect. poketape (talk) 21:45, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to List of Notre Dame Fighting Irish men's basketball seasons: It's a possibly useful redirect and the fact that redirects for all of the seasons haven't been created doesn't mean that this isn't useful. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:10, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. Looking at {{Notre Dame Fighting Irish men's basketball navbox}}, blue links are articles, not redirects. 1930–31 is the odd one out, and gives the false impression that we have an article on it. Reywas92's edit summary while making the redirect said
merge to main
, but I don't see that a merge was done. Jay 💬 04:08, 12 June 2024 (UTC) - Restore article. The "merge" (actually just a redirect) by Reywas92 was under the mistaken rationale that it was not an article. It seems like the actual reasoning would be due to a dispute at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1979–80 Notre Dame Fighting Irish men's basketball team, which was kept. Of course this article would need to be expanded, but something is better than nothing. -- Tavix (talk) 18:08, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or Retarget per Hey man im josh, as the list of seasons was split off after I redirected the page. A merge was in fact already done because there was literally nothing to merge and the main article already had all the information this had (none but the duplicative infobox) but perhaps the summary could have been clearer. No, a single tautologial sentence is not an article and is not better than nothing, it's a disservive to readers. Reywas92Talk 00:08, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- In order for it to be a merge, some information from the article has to be moved to the new location. There is no evidence of that having been done before your redirection, so
a merge was in fact already done
is also incorrect. (The target at the time of redirection does not show any additional information for the 1930–31 season.) The page was tagged as a WP:STUB, which is explicitly defined as an article in the first sentence of the guideline (and elsewhere). -- Tavix (talk) 12:49, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- In order for it to be a merge, some information from the article has to be moved to the new location. There is no evidence of that having been done before your redirection, so
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Oggcast[edit]
Whatever mention that was in the podcast article was removed in 2020 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=942832128 Okmrman (talk) 20:31, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Dan Bloch (talk) 00:08, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - Google says that this term is strongly related to/correlated with the Ogg file format... top result says that oggcast is an RSS equivelent for ogg-format podcasts specifically, while other sources state that it is a streaming protocol for ogg format audio (of any sort). I suppose the google top result is why this redirect was created. I wonder if this term is notable enough to get a brief mention on the ogg page, and then we could redirect there... but I'm not sure, so I'll refrain from !voting at the moment. Fieari (talk) 05:38, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Ogg or Vorbis and add mention per Fieari. Enix150 (talk) 15:32, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
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- @Dan Bloch: can comment further. While the removal mentioned in the nomination said
..no longer notable. The only third party source is from the Internet Archive.
, just one day prior, DanBloch had reduced the multi-sourced 3-4 paragraph section to a single liner (alongwith removing sections such as Political podcast and Podguide). Jay 💬 10:59, 24 May 2024 (UTC)- I'm not sure what sort of comment you're looking for from me. Per the nom, oggcast is no longer mentioned in the article (nor should it be, per WP:BALASP), so this isn't a great redirect. Redirecting to Ogg would probably be better, especially if someone added a mention there. But mostly it doesn't matter because no one uses it. As far as I'm concerned either solution is fine, or even leaving it is fine. Dan Bloch (talk) 20:37, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 04:39, 31 May 2024 (UTC)- Article-ify using information that ended up removed from the Podcast article by user:Danbloch in 2020 as per the edit pointed out by user:Jay. The reason that the section on Oggcasts was removed from the article was due to WP:BALASP, not because the information was non-notable. I also wouldn't be opposed to using said info to add enough information to Ogg or Vorbis to justify a Retarget. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 11:19, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's also non-notable. It may have been of more interest when the content was introduced in 2011, I don't know. But there are no recent mentions. Dan Bloch (talk) 17:36, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- What does recent mentions have to do with anything? Usually wikipedians prefer older things to be written about, rather than WP:RECENTISM... Fieari (talk) 23:39, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- A fair point, but as I see it, it's the 2011 flurry of edits that was WP:RECENTISM and WP:TOOSOON. Oggcast did not take the world by storm. Note that it started out as a standalone article, and it had a "may not meet Wikipedia's notability guideline" tag then. Dan Bloch (talk) 18:13, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- What does recent mentions have to do with anything? Usually wikipedians prefer older things to be written about, rather than WP:RECENTISM... Fieari (talk) 23:39, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's also non-notable. It may have been of more interest when the content was introduced in 2011, I don't know. But there are no recent mentions. Dan Bloch (talk) 17:36, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Articleify per Lunamann, without prejudice to an AfD or merge. A "May not meet..." tag is one editor's opinion, not a consensus and sources may be available now that were not available 13 years ago. Thryduulf (talk) 17:39, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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Oh, do not cry. Be good children and we will all meet in Heaven.[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 7#Oh, do not cry. Be good children and we will all meet in Heaven.
Technofascism and Techno-fascism[edit]
Hisham Saleh[edit]
Telephonics Corporation[edit]
Wikipedia:WikiProject's Espionage, Intelligence and Mass surveillance collaboration[edit]
GWR network[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 7#GWR network
Blagger[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 11#Blagger
Kim Un[edit]
Donald Von ShitzInPantz[edit]
Science Update[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 6#Science Update
Elephant population[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 6#Elephant population
ANDSF[edit]
- ANDSF → Access network discovery and selection function (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Likely primary topic is Afghan National Security Forces, not this internet protocol component. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 17:01, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- ANDSF (disambiguation) will likely be deleted unless it decided to be moved to this title. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 17:02, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per nominator. Internet search results for "ANDSF" alone refer overwhelmingly to the former military. --NFSreloaded (talk) 18:40, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget and add hatnote per nom. Okmrman (talk) 21:55, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, since the current target is also known as "ANDSF" and a hatnote has already been placed there. CycloneYoris talk! 01:52, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Keep or Retarget?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 16:39, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to the disambiguation page (first, restore the dab, as there is WP:NOPRIMARY). Google search ANSDF is dominated by military, ANSDF abbreviation - by 3GPP. --Викидим (talk) 23:42, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget, restore ANDSF (disambiguation) and round-robin move them, as neither of the two articles seems to be an overwhelmingly primary topic. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 13:46, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- I have restored ANDSF (disambiguation) as a PROD deletion, and updated it to no primary so it doesn't get deleted immediately because of ONEOTHER. I'm neutral, and this is not an indication of my support here for NOPRIMARY. Jay 💬 10:48, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Retarget to Afghan National Security Forces or ANDSF (disambiguation)?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ca talk to me! 01:54, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- retarget to Afghan National Security Forces, which seems primary based on my search results. Thryduulf (talk) 12:17, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to dab and round robin, internet results heavily favor the Afghan organization, Google Scholar results heavily favor the internet protocol. signed, Rosguill talk 18:08, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
Nonius connector[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 6#Nonius connector
May 27[edit]
Roman Catholid Diocese of Down and Connor[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 3#Roman Catholid Diocese of Down and Connor
Alcohol drinking[edit]
Lisa Krueger[edit]
Ford F-100 Eluminator[edit]
WWE Day 1[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 3#WWE Day 1
NCAA men's ice hockey tournament[edit]
Pole (Venezuela)[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 3#Pole (Venezuela)
Shams ud Duha (disambiguation)[edit]
Baak (Telugu Film)[edit]
- Baak (Telugu Film) → Aranmanai 4 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Indian films sometimes do this thing were they reshoot 10% or less of the film in another language. Either way, there is absolutely no need for this redirect when Baak (film) exists. only 10% or less of people interest seeing Aranmanai 4 will likely opt to see this version due to low key release. DareshMohan (talk) 05:39, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: No point of existence. Kailash29792 (talk) 05:59, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
Delete: I think this is the same film as Baakghost. It looks like there is no point for this. Cleo Cooper (talk) 06:30, 25 April 2024 (UTC)(Striking account globally locked as an LTA —a smart kitten[meow] 16:04, 11 May 2024 (UTC))
- Keep: This is obviously linked with the Afd of Baakghost. Here too, I suggest to Keep the redirect (and then rename. Baak (Telugu film) if needed, and maybe ask for page protection. Like that, history can be kept and further work on the article is easier. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 13:33, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- Move to Baak (film) without redirect as the title has incorrect capitalization which is arguably an RDAB error. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:27, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Okmrman (talk) 04:23, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Baak (film) already exists, no point in moving stuff around. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:32, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Move without redirect to Baak (film) to keep the page history. Baak (film) was created by nom 5 minutes before the nomination. With regards to the target, follow the outcome of the lowercase f RfD WP:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 May 1#Baak (Telugu film). Jay 💬 12:58, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 07:15, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- Move to Baak (film) without redirect to keep editing history. Hzh (talk) 14:49, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting together with the other similar RfD below.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 00:46, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Refine to the relevant section. Baak (film), Baak (Telugu film) and Baak (Telugu Film) all exist and all are useful and plausible search terms for the target. Plausible alternative capitalisations in the dismabiguator are no more a reason to delete a redirect than plausible alternative capitalisations outside the disambiguator are. Thryduulf (talk) 17:34, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
Baak film redirects[edit]
- Baak (Telugu film) → Aranmanai 4 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Baakghost → Aranmanai 4 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Both of these redirects have no point. Both these redirects (Baakghost and Baak (Telugu film)) along with Baak (Telugu Film) were initially created by SenthilGugan as Articles for the Telugu dubbed version of Aranmanai 4. After seeing no need for another article, when there's already a primary article and an Afd the pages were turned to redirects. But, there is no need these many redirects, as not even the Google recognizes these names. I only included two redirects because, the other one has already been Rfded. 𝓥𝓮𝓼𝓽𝓻𝓲𝓪𝓷24𝓑𝓲𝓸 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 11:16, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
- Vestrian24Bio, what's the reason for nominating this redirect for deletion? I could be missing a potential problem with it; but, from what I can see, this title is mentioned at the target under Aranmanai 4#Release. All the best, —a smart kitten[meow] 11:21, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
- I am typing it; please wait for me to post it. 𝓥𝓮𝓼𝓽𝓻𝓲𝓪𝓷24𝓑𝓲𝓸 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 11:22, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
- Ah, sorry - I was confused as to why the redirect was nominated without a rationale, but that makes sense. All the best, —a smart kitten[meow] 11:24, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
- That's fine 𝓥𝓮𝓼𝓽𝓻𝓲𝓪𝓷24𝓑𝓲𝓸 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 11:33, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
- Ah, sorry - I was confused as to why the redirect was nominated without a rationale, but that makes sense. All the best, —a smart kitten[meow] 11:24, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
- I am typing it; please wait for me to post it. 𝓥𝓮𝓼𝓽𝓻𝓲𝓪𝓷24𝓑𝓲𝓸 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 11:22, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: It's Baak. See this. Kailash29792 (talk) 11:24, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
- Noting that the above !vote was made underneath the entry for Baakghost, before the two nominations had been combined - see [48]. Best, —a smart kitten[meow] 12:38, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep but make the target more precise to a section in the article: Aranmanai_4#Theatrical The title in the target section of this Telugu version of the film IS Baak. The second R was Redirected after an Afd and the first BLARed as ATD, so that the pages history and credits could be kept, which is always good. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:09, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- Agree with the first one, but the second R: A Google search of that name would give the results for Baak (Assamese folklore), so how much of an accurate redirect that would be? 𝓥𝓮𝓼𝓽𝓻𝓲𝓪𝓷24𝓑𝓲𝓸 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 14:48, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- Fair enough. Then, in order to preserve history and credits for both, rename the second (but then the double redirect needs to be fixed) OR change target so that it redirects to the Assamese folklore page (which will preserve the history, only upon a different topic). A DISAMB page can also be considered. Thanks. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 17:57, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- I say we retarget to Baak (Assamese folklore) and move Baakghost to Baak ghost without leaving a redirect. You agree Mushy Yank? Kailash29792 (talk) 10:19, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Sure! Thanks. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 10:55, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- I say we retarget to Baak (Assamese folklore) and move Baakghost to Baak ghost without leaving a redirect. You agree Mushy Yank? Kailash29792 (talk) 10:19, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Fair enough. Then, in order to preserve history and credits for both, rename the second (but then the double redirect needs to be fixed) OR change target so that it redirects to the Assamese folklore page (which will preserve the history, only upon a different topic). A DISAMB page can also be considered. Thanks. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 17:57, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- Agree with the first one, but the second R: A Google search of that name would give the results for Baak (Assamese folklore), so how much of an accurate redirect that would be? 𝓥𝓮𝓼𝓽𝓻𝓲𝓪𝓷24𝓑𝓲𝓸 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 14:48, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Summarizing the above discussion, Keep and Re-target Baak (Telugu film) to Aranmanai 4#Theatrical while, Move Baakghost to Baak ghost without leaving a redirect and Re-target to Baak (Assamese folklore). Is that correct Kailash29792 and Mushy Yank? 𝓥𝓮𝓼𝓽𝓻𝓲𝓪𝓷24𝓑𝓲𝓸 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 04:07, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yes you are right. Kailash29792 (talk) 04:30, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- As far as I’m concerned, yes, I think that’s a good solution. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:16, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 16:53, 19 May 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Any further thoughts?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 00:33, 27 May 2024 (UTC)- My comments remain the same. Hopefully this is no longer a dispute. Kailash29792 (talk) 03:32, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- I also agree that an apparent consensus seems to have been reached. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:23, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- My comments remain the same. Hopefully this is no longer a dispute. Kailash29792 (talk) 03:32, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Refine Baak (Telugu film) to Aranmanai 4#Release, not #Theatrical. Delete Baakghost as a made up compound word. No need to retain the page history as a 3rd copy created by the same author in a span of 10 days. No need to salvage the page by renaming to a convoluted title of a different topic for the same reason (retaining page history). Jay 💬 17:16, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Refine Baak (Telugu film) per Jay. No opinion about Baakghost. Thryduulf (talk) 17:35, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
Cedar Ridge Middle School[edit]
Hyperstar[edit]
Unlabeled[edit]
Box 850[edit]
May 23[edit]
Pomosexuality[edit]
Hamich[edit]
Astounding incident[edit]
Astounding[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 May 31#Astounding
Astonishing[edit]
Turkish bath[edit]
The target of this redirect should likely be reconsidered. The most helpful solution may to turn this into a DAB, merging with Turkish Bath (disambiguation). Reason: The term "Turkish bath" in a Western context is fairly generic and might also denote other types of steam baths, in addition to the mainly Islamic ones covered at Hammam. Since this was last discussed in 2021 (see here), a more fully-fledged Victorian Turkish bath article now exists. Other articles might also be relevant to link. Note: This came out of a discussion at Talk:Turkish Bath (disambiguation) between myself and Ishpoloni. Feel free to read there for more context & explanation. R Prazeres (talk) 00:17, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Hammam is the primary topic. voorts (talk/contributions) 02:47, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget: I don't know the correct Wiki terminology to use, but searchers from different communities seeking information on so-called 'Turkish baths' (which no longer appears as an article) could equally be looking for Hammam or Victorian Turkish baths and some type of 'See:' reference should offer these two clear redirecting link options.
- Hammam is neither primary nor secondary. Hammam and Victorian Turkish baths only have in common that they are baths, and are both derived from the ancient Roman thermae. Victorian Turkish baths are not steam baths. Nor are they really, as the Hammam article states, "A variation on the Muslim bathhouse"—which is why in France and Germany they are called Roman-Irish baths.
- The only guiding principle here should be: 'Save the time of the reader' Ranganathan's 4th law. Ishpoloni (talk) 13:53, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- On Wikipedia, we follow our own policies and guidelines, not library science (for better or for worse, I can't say). The guideline for how to deal with ambiguous terms (like Turkish bath) is WP:D. The first step is to determine whether there is a primary topic. One way to do that is to look at page traffic. The page traffic for Hammam shows that most people get to that page via an "other-search", such as searching for the term "Turkish bath" via an external search engine, but that only 15% of people then click away to Victorian Turkish baths from that article. We can infer that most readers were, in fact, looking for Hammam when they searched "Turkish bath". We can also look at comparative pageviews, which shows that Hammam gets far more views than Victorian Turkish baths. Then, if we've determined a primary topic, the guideline tells us to redirect the ambiguous term to that page, with hatnotes to the appropriate disambiguation pages. voorts (talk/contributions) 17:39, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Having had time to familiarise myself more with the often complicated Wikipedia guidance notes, I now believe that the most equitable solution is the one suggested above by R Prazeres, ie, to change the current Redirect into a DAB, merging with Turkish Bath (disambiguation). This could either be based on the existing one or, perhaps preferably, like the Mercury page example given in the guidance notes. I believe this is a solution on which we should easily be able to reach consensus.
- Reasons:
- 1. Of the 22 reasons for a redirect given on Wikipedia:Redirect the overwhelming majority relate to different forms of words, grammar, punctuation, etc. Not one exemplifies a redirect of one subject to another subject.[a]
- 2. On Wikipedia:Disambiguation page the three important points seem to be:
- (a) naming articles so each has an unique title, eg, Hammam and Victorian Turkish baths;
- (b) making links so that a term points to the correct article;
- (c) "Ensuring that a reader who searches for a topic using a particular term can get to the information on that topic quickly and easily, whichever of the possible topics it might be." (My emphasis)
- Proposed resolution:
- Change the current Redirect into a DAB, merging with Turkish Bath (disambiguation)
- An allied matter:
- In case there are Western European readers of this Wikipedia, there should be Redirects < Irish-Roman baths and < Roman-Irish baths > Victorian Turkish baths. Ishpoloni (talk) 07:46, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Turkish Bath (disambiguation) per nom. -- asilvering (talk) 03:52, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- ^ For any newcomer to the discussion, 'Victorian Turkish baths' is not a subdivision of 'Hammam', Hammam being an Islamic steam bath and Victorian Turkish baths being Victorian (Roman-Irish) baths using hot dry air. Both are direct descendants of the Roman thermae.
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Is there a primary topic?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 14:39, 1 May 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hey man im josh (talk) 19:49, 23 May 2024 (UTC)- A. The identification of a primary topic only seems to apply when there are synonyms for the terms used to name a specific subject, or for grammatical clarifications (see Reason 1 in my previous reply).
- B. When there are two completely different and separate subjects, ie, Hammam & Victorian Turkish baths, there cannot be a "primary topic" simply because both are types of hot-air bath, any more than there can be a "primary topic" between Apple & Pear simply because both are types of fruit.
- C. Wikipedia's object in the case of multiple subjects (see 2.c above) is to enable readers to speedily find the subject wanted, whichever one it is.
- D. The current situation where a reader, perhaps the (wo)man on the Clapham omnibus rather than an academic, seeks information on Turkish baths and is willy-nilly diverted to an article on hammams—and so may never discover the existence of an article on Victorian Turkish baths—cannot be equitable, or helpful.
- E. The solution suggested above by R Prazeres to retarget to Turkish Bath (disambiguation) not only follows Wikipedia principles, but provides the speediest route to either of the two subjects sought. It should now be adopted as a win-win solution for both subjects, and will in practice lead readers to articles on subjects they may not previously have come across.Ishpoloni (talk) 10:19, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - pageviews analysis suggests that Hamam is the primary topic, with that page receiving far more views per day (of which views coming from the redirect are only a fraction). Arguably even stronger evidence is that even sources contemporary to Victorian England identify the Hamam as the Turkish bath (see page 34 onward [49]). Those looking for the Victorian topic can be directed by the existing hatnote at the current target. signed, Rosguill talk 19:47, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Erasmus Wilson, on page 34 of his 1861 book which you mention, is specifically using the term Hamâm in describing it "…as it exists at the present moment in Constantinople", a bath which (p.36) "…is moistened with a thin vapour"—the very opposite of the dry Victorian Turkish bath. And when he describes the bath in the British Isles (p.50 et seq) the terminology moves from Arabic and Turkish terms to Roman ones, beginning a paragraph (p.96) "As the British thermae is at present in a state of infancy…". From this moment, the inspiration for British hot air bathing moves from Turkey to ancient Rome and becomes what will later be identified as the Victorian Turkish bath. Today, this is dying; in contrast, the hammam is starting a revival. This does not make the subject of the Victorian Turkish bath less important, or a "secondary topic". Ishpoloni (talk) 14:28, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- The fact that these baths are distinct is not the crux of this discussion, the question at issue is, which bath is someone looking to read about if they search for the phrase "Turkish bath". The evidence available suggests that the answer to that question is Hammam. The fact that the Victorian Turkish Bath is not a hammam is the reason why we have a separate article for that topic, and why we have a hatnote at Hammam differentiating the topics; it is not a reason to have Turkish bath point to Victorian Turkish bath given current pageviews and reviews of coverage suggest that the readers searching the term are more commonly looking for the actual Turkish style of bath. signed, Rosguill talk 17:53, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Erasmus Wilson, on page 34 of his 1861 book which you mention, is specifically using the term Hamâm in describing it "…as it exists at the present moment in Constantinople", a bath which (p.36) "…is moistened with a thin vapour"—the very opposite of the dry Victorian Turkish bath. And when he describes the bath in the British Isles (p.50 et seq) the terminology moves from Arabic and Turkish terms to Roman ones, beginning a paragraph (p.96) "As the British thermae is at present in a state of infancy…". From this moment, the inspiration for British hot air bathing moves from Turkey to ancient Rome and becomes what will later be identified as the Victorian Turkish bath. Today, this is dying; in contrast, the hammam is starting a revival. This does not make the subject of the Victorian Turkish bath less important, or a "secondary topic". Ishpoloni (talk) 14:28, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Rosguill's arguments are convincing. Thryduulf (talk) 10:47, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget Have those in favour of keeping the redirect read the two articles concerned? Are they the same subject in any way other than that they are both baths? Redirect guidance has no example of a subject redirected to another subject—the proper function of a 'See also' note. Primary and secondary refers to preferred terms when the terms are synonyms or grammatical variants. Look at the two subjects in Google; there is no overlap between the pages. Contemporary sources do not refer to Victorian Turkish baths for the same reason Elizabeth I did not call herself Elizabeth I. They were only invented in 1856 and no hot-dry air bath from that date onwards was ever written about, or spoken about as a hammam by the Victorians (they more likely preferred Anglo-Roman or Irish-Roman) though a very few orientalists named their establishment '*** Hammam' or '*** Oriental baths'—sources would be welcome for 'any' discussion of these baths as hammams. There seems to be no neutral reason why a redirect to the Turkish bath disambiguation page is not an easier way for searchers to find either unique 'subject'. Ishpoloni (talk) 14:07, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
An instance. Mary Doe reads a newspaper article on The life and death of Colonel Blimp mentioning a Turkish bath. Wanting to find out what this was, she refers to 'Turkish bath' on Wikipedia and is automatically given an article on Hammams. How clever. Ishpoloni (talk) 21:20, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- The data linked by voorts early in this discussion suggests that for ever Mary reading The life and death of Colonel Blimp, there are about 5.7 Elizabeths who actually wanted to read about Turkish steam baths. As for Mary, she can find the link to the correct topic in the hatnote that is at the top of the page. signed, Rosguill talk 18:27, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- What she actually finds at the top of the Hammam page is what you call a hatnote, and is NOT (as you state) "the link to the correct topic" but a link to a disambiguation page which she should already have been given. The fact that there are two different hatlinks does not make the problem simpler, and she is lucky that there are not more than two.
- Apart from the fact that some people do not understand what you call hatnotes, and that not everyone agrees that they are helpful, eg, "The_problem_with_disambiguation_hatnotes", it is totally irrelevant how many people want to read about Hammams or "Turkish steam baths" because we are not choosing here between synonyms, but between discrete subjects.
- What is important is that seekers after information about a subject should be able to find it at their first attempt, or if there are complications, immediately after being given actual links to the alternative subjects available, together with brief definitions which will ensure the right page is reached at just the second attempt. Redirecting "Turkish baths" to its current disambiguation page does that absolutely perfectly, whichever of the two subjects is being sought.Ishpoloni (talk) 23:53, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
LATAM[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 1#LATAM
Draft:2025 IndyCar Series[edit]
- Draft:2025 IndyCar Series → 2025 IndyCar Series (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Redirect in draftspace created as a result of disruptive article creation by an IP user over an existing redirect, and NPP not reverting the disruptive edits, but instead draftifying their "work" (which consisted of a lazy, unreferenced stub). Suggest deletion. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 13:20, 16 May 2024 (UTC) HistSplit per 2601:5CC:.... ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 03:22, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- HistSplit or just override the redirect with the previous draft, noting attribution in the edit summary if more convenient. Too soon applies to articles, but drafts are fine. Should have been histsplit the first time as the existing redirect should not have been deleted, but we can remedy that now. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:A165:7AFC:68F9:104D (talk) 20:11, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Any further thoughts?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 17:30, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - I am fine with 2601:5CC:...'s suggestion. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 03:27, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
Severa[edit]
Oncorhynchus mykiss ssp?[edit]
Yin-Yuan[edit]
Aromantisch[edit]
Consecutive games[edit]
Ron Johnson (rapper)[edit]
May 22[edit]
2020 Games[edit]
Islamic Insurgency in Somalia (2007-Present)[edit]
- Islamic Insurgency in Somalia (2007-Present) → 2007 timeline of the War in Somalia (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Islamist insurgency in Somalia (2007–present) → War in Somalia (2006–2009) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Islamist insurgency in Somalia (2007-present) → 2007 timeline of the War in Somalia (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not appropriate for a "2007-present" redirect to point to events from a decade ago. * Pppery * it has begun... 19:21, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Thoughts on the page history of Islamist insurgency in Somalia (2007–present)?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 03:31, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- I think this should be kept as a minimum due to the page history. Another possibility is retargeting to Somali civil war (2009-present), which does cover recent events. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 14:29, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Probably delete per nom. Okmrman (talk) 04:29, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Keep or delete?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 05:58, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think keeping these are necessary, but if kept, I think the best target would be Somali Civil War#TFG, Islamic Courts Union, and Ethiopia (2006–2009). Sections below that one continue through present should someone be seeking more recent events. That said, the more recent events don't document any Islamist insurgencies. -- Tavix (talk) 18:01, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - may have been useful as a search term years ago, but isn't any longer. No incoming mainspace links. -Elmer Clark (talk) 03:48, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Also bundle the uppercase P version Islamic Insurgency in Somalia (2007-Present). To solve the page history problem, move without redirect to a title that does not have "present" in it. Jay 💬 11:59, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist. Bundled with the uppercase redirect.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 22:06, 22 May 2024 (UTC)- I'm not in favour of Thryduulf's solution as having "Present" in the redirect would be misleading per nom. Jay 💬 08:07, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Any misconceptions will be cleared up by reading the target. We don't help readers by making it harder for them to find the content they are looking for or by needlessly breaking old links - indeed that makes it more likely that misconceptions will remain uncorrected. Thryduulf (talk) 09:08, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- By that logic, incorrect redirects never ought to be deleted by virtue of being old. Jay 💬 20:08, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Being old is always a reason to be cautious when deleting redirects (it's why R3 is limited to recently-created redirects) because there is a greater likelihood of incoming links that will be broken (and breaking links is a bad thing). However being old is not a reason on it's own to keep a redirect, just as being incorrect is not a reason on it's own to delete one. We have to balance whether it is plausible that someone will use the incorrect redirect and if so whether we have anywhere appropriate to take people. In this case it's very plausible that they will be using the redirect, not only by following links from when the conflict was still ongoing but also because they could be conflating two different conflicts in Somalia (for a variety of reasons). The disambiguation page will educate them that they have followed an outdated link and/or misremembered what is happening and take them to whichever encyclopaedia article it was they wanted to read (where they will be further educated about the topic) without having to navigate search results (which may be several clicks/taps away) and which are not guaranteed to contain the relevant article(s).
- It is not true that this will apply to every redirect that is both old and incorrect - we need to evaluate each of them on their own merits, but this is why they are discussed at RfD rather than speedily deleted. Thryduulf (talk) 10:16, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- By that logic, incorrect redirects never ought to be deleted by virtue of being old. Jay 💬 20:08, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Any misconceptions will be cleared up by reading the target. We don't help readers by making it harder for them to find the content they are looking for or by needlessly breaking old links - indeed that makes it more likely that misconceptions will remain uncorrected. Thryduulf (talk) 09:08, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not in favour of Thryduulf's solution as having "Present" in the redirect would be misleading per nom. Jay 💬 08:07, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to the War in Somalia disambiguation page where anyone using these search terms (or, more likely, following old links) can find whichever conflict they want to read about. Thryduulf (talk) 12:27, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
1930–31 Notre Dame Fighting Irish men's basketball team[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 1#1930–31 Notre Dame Fighting Irish men's basketball team
Anglo-Chinese School(Independent)[edit]
Angel Eyes (Lime)(song)[edit]
UA (India)[edit]
Shihab Chottur (walker)[edit]
Champcar[edit]
Face cancer[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 May 31#Face cancer
Population 0[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 4#Population 0
Bird Pokémon[edit]
Dulah, CA[edit]
Odiogo[edit]
Look how they massacred my boy[edit]
- Look how they massacred my boy → The Godfather (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This redirect is categorized as follows: A meme quotation from film and television, that is not mentioned at the article. Wikipedia is not an infinite compendium of unmentioned memes. Not a helpful redirect as people who want to read about The Godfather would search for The Godfather. Specifying a meme implies a search for specific content that we don't have on WP. Delete. Utopes (talk / cont) 05:23, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support, how often do people search for films via quotes? Regardless a simple search engine search will tell them the film's title and they can search for the title from there. Traumnovelle (talk) 07:17, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - stats show utility (WP:RFD#K5) and this is the correct target. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 09:21, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as per Ivanvector; people could be searching this redirect in order to find out what the quote is from. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 11:04, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- It's a meme, people are attracted to the novelty, but Wikipedia isn't a collection of memes to gawk at. Searching for a phrase on Wikipedia to see the movie it comes from is an absolutely unreliable method that works 0% of the time. A google search is more effective in 100% of situations due to the usability and predictability it offers, which are two things that "typing a quote and receiving a redirect coupled with no context at the target page" does not provide. Utopes (talk / cont) 06:08, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom.
UtilityUtilization per page statsisdoes not necessarilyindicate
usefulness. Readers looking for the meme, or a context of it, will be disappointed. Jay 💬 17:34, 25 April 2024 (UTC) - Delete No mention at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:27, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. If you're looking for this, knowyourmeme or google are going to get you the answer. Wikipedia will not; we don't mention it at the target. -- asilvering (talk) 03:25, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 15:29, 1 May 2024 (UTC)- Keep: it's a page about a meme (memes are frequently notable, or later become so) and it redirects to what the context is.
- jp×g🗯️ 18:55, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Delete or keep?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 07:36, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- keep although usually if you search it in english Wikipedia it showed wikiquote Baratiiman (talk) 09:10, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, this is a direct quote and it seems plausible someone might search for it. CMD (talk) 07:26, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment — I thought about adding a mention to the article, but this was the best I found. Ca talk to me! 08:12, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- The Wikiquote page for the Godfather contains context for the quote, unlike the Wikipedia article. Since this redirect has utility (130 views last month), I suggest soft-redirecting to wikiquote:The Godfather. Ca talk to me! 02:19, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Cremastra (talk) 20:31, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Soft redirect to Wikiquote per Ca. Thryduulf (talk) 12:22, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
DZHH-AM[edit]
Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 05:19, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- If deleted, incoming links from 75 pages need to be fixed if we don't want this to be a redlink. Jay 💬 09:22, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- I think the rationale for WP:REDLINK would apply here given that we do want information on this station. -- Tavix (talk) 02:49, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- KEEP an old station that Philippine Air Force has been dated back in 1970s. It was mentioned on YouTube like this one, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjKYgmgMZB4. 2001:4454:733:4100:9DA9:E768:BA8B:C7CB (talk) 05:38, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- That's irrelevant if the target includes no information on the station. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:58, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT instead. 2001:4454:718:9400:1038:10E0:F21A:D6EE (talk) 11:41, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- That's irrelevant if the target includes no information on the station. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:58, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ToadetteEdit! 22:44, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete unless sourced and WP:DUE information can be added at a target. signed, Rosguill talk 15:59, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Also notified of this discussion at the target talk.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 16:06, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Best cite that I got was it exists with address at the former Nichols Air Base. With that said, I don't think we have any material to work with to warrant a mention in any related articles. --Lenticel (talk) 00:19, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep - a redirect from a radio callsign to relevant information like where it broadcast[s|ed] from is useful, like if you saw it on an old navigation chart or something. It's not very useful but it's also harmless. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:37, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Per Ivanvector. This is the only source I found about the station's ownership. Though, I don't know which part of the article this piece of info can fit. Nonetheless, a redirect is deemed harmless. ASTIG😎🙃 10:15, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Very weak keep per Ivanvector. Although it is not mentioned, it gives information about where it broadcasts from. Queen of Hearts (talk) 20:13, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- If it's not appropriate to mention it at the target (for reasons Lenticel and others said) then why is it appropriate to subtly hint that it is in some vague way related without explaining how and leaving people confused. That's just mentioning it by the back door. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:18, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist. Keep or delete?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 07:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: per Pppery. Cremastra (talk) 20:31, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and add a mention. That the station exist/existed and the location it was broadcast from is encyclopaedic information. Thryduulf (talk) 12:31, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete for now, and recreate/restore if a mention is added. I do disagree with an above point that it gives information about where it broadcasts from. It instead vaguely implies that there may be some connection with Philippine Air Force. Any additional "information" is reading too much into it. -- Tavix (talk) 02:49, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
The Big One (earthquake)[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 11#The Big One (earthquake)