Talk:Roger Williams (disambiguation)

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[Roger Williams (puritan)]] is the same person as Roger Williams (theologian). Logophile 16:54, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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O.K. But I'm gonna leave the two on the dissambig page for just a little while, unless someone else doesn't think that its necessary. WB2 30 June 2005 04:45 (UTC)

Please note that Roger Williams ([puritan) has been merged with Roger Williams (theologian). Logophile 1 July 2005 03:51 (UTC)

hi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.165.224.151 (talk) 23:10, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Primary topic

Please see Talk:Roger Williams (theologian) for a discussion of whether or not the theologian and colonial founder is the primary topic for Roger Williams. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 00:55, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 06 December 2014

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The result of the move request was: move the disambiguation page to Roger Williams (disambiguation) and the article on the theologian to Roger Williams, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 07:20, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

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Roger Williams → Roger Williams (disambiguation) – Make way for move of Roger Williams (theologian), the primary topic, to the title. – –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 05:15, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 06:04, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

• But IS he the primary topic to most people? Page Roger Williams lists 16 men and 3 other things. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 06:04, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose - not more notable than all other Roger Williams in world history combined. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:24, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
  • He is way, way more notable, and the stats at Talk:Roger Williams (theologian) show it. The article gets seven times more hits than the second-most frequented page of that title, and over one hundred times more hits than a number of the other ones. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 17:30, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
• Support: I expected to oppose this but on Googling (in UK) I find he look like the Primary Topic - namesake of a University, and the wikipedia hits cited at Talk:Roger_Williams_(theologian)#Primary_topic are pretty persuasive. PamD 15:20, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
• Comment: Per Anthony Appleyard and IIO, we should not just consider the next most popular topic, but all the other topics. One of those is a current U.S. congressman and another is a pianist who produced the only piano instrumental to reach #1 on the Billboard popular music chart (and another top-ten hit). That seems like pretty tough competition for a 17th-century theologian, although I'm surprised to see that the theologian does seem to get a lot of views. (Those views follow a strong weekly pattern; few people seem to look at that article on Saturdays and Sundays.) When considering both the congressman and the pianist, the ratio is perhaps 4:1 (although I haven't bothered to actually calculate it), and less on weekends. Note that this should probably be listed as a multimove request, since there is also a request here to move the page for the theologian. —BarrelProof (talk) 19:05, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
  • The theologian gets over twice as many hits as every other topic combined, if you want to talk all other topics. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 21:23, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
• "few people seem to look at that article on Saturdays and Sundays": looks like schoolwork assignment. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 23:28, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

• Support both moves per nom, i.e. WP:PRIMARYTOPIC (see these stats) bolstered by the spirit of WP:RECENTISM. I would suggest that those who dismiss "a 17th-century theologian" read the article to understand Williams's critical role in American politics, American history, linguistics, religious pluralism, and abolitionism. —  AjaxSmack  03:54, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

• Support both this and the move of Roger Williams (theologian) to Roger Williams. The Williams currently designated as "theologian" meets both criteria for WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. As to usage, Roscelese provides a compelling argument over at Talk:Roger Williams (theologian), specifically here. As to long-term significance, it would be short-sighted to dismiss him as just "a 17th-century theologian". Williams played an important role in the founding of Rhode Island and was an early advocate of religious tolerance in the American colonies, an uncommon position at the time even among religious minorities that would become an important national value when the US was founded. The other Roger Williamses specifically cited as challenges to this significance are a musician with a single #1 hit (that it was the only piano instrumental to do that seems like trivia to me) and a first-term Representative whose article lists no significant legislative activity in Congress – indeed, no activity at all – and which generates so little interest that his bid for re-election on November 4 is still referred to as an upcoming event here on December 8. Egsan Bacon (talk) 16:42, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
• Support per clear primary historic importance. bd2412 T 18:01, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
• Support -- Appears to have both historical significance, and the stats show he is the one most are looking for in WP. 1bandsaw (talk) 19:24, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

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Rogers, William

• William Rogers (disambiguation) should be added as a see also section -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 22:51, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
•  Done Anthony Appleyard (talk) 10:01, 7 December 2014 (UTC)