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Former featured article candidateJacqueline Kennedy Onassis is a former featured article candidate. Please view the links under Article milestones below to see why the nomination was archived. For older candidates, please check the archive.
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April 28, 2007Featured article candidateNot promoted
On this day...Facts from this article were featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "On this day..." column on October 20, 2004, October 20, 2005, and May 19, 2018.

Semi-protected edit request on 17 January 2022

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Under the section RELATIONSHIP TO ROBERT F KENNEDY

"He credited *Kennedy* with convincing him to stay in politics..."

The reference to Kennedy can be confusing since there's several Kennedy's mentioned in the article.

I suggest changing it to...

"He credited *Jacqueline* with convincing him to stay in politics..." 50.5.111.73 (talk) 07:17, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Clarified that section, thanks for spotting. --Marbe166 (talk) 07:37, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Just to clarify: the subject of the article is always the only one who is referred to using a bare surname. Others are referred to by their first names (if related) or their full names (if unrelated). Exceptions are for lists of family members or when the usage of surname alone would be confusing in the context. All other Kennedys here should be referred to by their first names only. MOS:SAMESURNAME WP Ludicer (talk) 23:32, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Style of surname in article

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Much of the article refers to her with the surname "Kennedy" rather than "Kennedy Onasis". The article should either have its title changed, or the body of the article should probably be corrected to refer to her as "Kennedy Onasis". SecretName101 (talk) 00:02, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No. The body of the article refers to her in different places by the name she used at the time being discussed. This has come up during the years of editing this piece and this is the method that is most sensible and comprehensible. It's not a typical situation, so we adapt the usual rules to make the most sense. Not changing the title of the article either - this has been the stable name for almost 20 years and it is the name she used for the majority of her life. Tvoz/talk 04:26, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The name she used and her common name can indeed differ. The question is what name she most commonly was referred to by the public.
There are areas of the article that need to be double-checked for what name they use. There are many areas that are interchanging the name usage in confusing ways. SecretName101 (talk) 06:28, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
And, that fact that the article has used this name for a long name is not an argument against re-assessing the name. Plenty of articles have changed long-standing names. The article "Impeachment and acquittal of Andrew Johnson" was renamed to Impeachment of Andrew Johnson after nearly a decade. The article for Kyiv was long spelled "Kiev" (likely since near the creation of this project) until being renamed within this last year or so.
You can re-assess things. SecretName101 (talk) 06:32, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that the article should refer to her in different places by the name she used at the time being covered. In legacy text, she should be called "Onassis" only (like it or not). --SergeWoodzing (talk) 12:04, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Summary might be too long

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Yourlocallordandsavior (talk) 02:47, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox Image Proposal

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Hello, there. I have reason to believe that this image is in the public domain and is a suitable replacement for the current one. Less light is concentrated on her face, not as blurry, et cetera.

That's all. Thanks. 71.184.82.123 (talk) 02:10, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 11 August 2024

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: withdrawn; opening a new one with the overwhelming preference for the alt (non-admin closure) Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:34, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis → Jackie Kennedy – Per WP:COMMONNAME. Her sister's name is common name as are those of every 20th-century U.S. first lady. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:12, 11 August 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 05:04, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This n-gram may be of help in deciding between Jacqueline and Jackie. Although equally recognized now, Jacqueline is prominent throughout most of the last 70 years (including during her years as First Lady). Randy Kryn (talk) 15:02, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Randy Kryn the thing is that Jackie is the name used in books and films and so on. she is popularly remembered as "Jackie" too. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:06, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Understood, and that's how I would think of her as well. But for encyclopedic purposes her formal name denotes the importance of her impact on society and the functioning of the White House, as well as per the n-gram results which take the books into account. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:10, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A lot of the first ladies I've listed have had that same effect too. To varying degrees and in different ways but they nonetheless did. I prefer that it be "Jackie" since, ultimately, it is the one she is best known by today and therefore fits WP:COMMONAME.
Just making my argument for it. Ultimately, I will go with the consensus. Omnis Scientia (talk) 16:40, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per @SNUGGUMS Killuminator (talk) 14:55, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Jacqueline Kennedy (Jackie is her informal nickname), whose seven-year marriage to Onassis was important to her full history yet per long-term significance does not equate with her Kennedy-based legacy and common name. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:58, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per @Omnis Scientia and @SNUGGUMS. UnspokenPassion (talk) 17:31, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose any name with Jackie. The other first ladies who we have at nicknames were almost solely known by and referred to by their nicknames. Kennedy Onassis is much more mixed, as Randy Kryn's ngram shows. Interesting if we compare Jacqueline Kennedy,Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis and subtract the count of "Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis" from "Jacqueline Kennedy", one finds the version without Onassis has stayed more common but less so than one might expect (with all the limitations of ngrams). I'm currently undecided about dropping Onassis or not. Skynxnex (talk) 19:56, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Skynxnex, I certainly have no objection to/prejudice against "Jacqueline Kennedy". Just making my argument FOR "Jackie Kennedy" which is my preference. Ultimately, my opinion is that the "Onassis" should be dropped as history remembers her more for her first marriage and connection with the Kennedys. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:25, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Her gravestone is set up well, with the 'Jacqueline Kennedy' on one line and the 'Onassis' by itself on a second line. Long-term significance will probably play out to 'Jacqueline Kennedy', with 'Jackie' as the common nickname but one which she wasn't known for in her lifetime as much as 'Jacqueline' (per the n-grams). Randy Kryn (talk) 22:32, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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I do not specifically object to Jacqueline Kennedy.
I am not sure what is motivating this change. I have indeed read news articles in which she was called by her second married name. If this article had originally been titled by her first married name, it would be fine. But since it's titled by her second married name, that's fine too. I would think that, to flip the status quo of an old and popular article, there would have to be some fairly serious problem with the old name. That's not what I'm seeing. (Am I missing something?)
In other words, inertia is a thing. I have argued both sides of inertia before, and even recently, so I don't object to your starting a new RM. Bruce leverett (talk) 13:51, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Requested move 25 August 2024

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Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis → Jacqueline Kennedy – Per WP:COMMONNAME. Her sister's (Lee Radziwill) and mother's name (Janet Lee Bouvier) are both married names they are best known by, not of their subsequent marriages, as are those of every 20th-century U.S. first lady. Further adding: her fame comes from her being first lady and her connection to the Kennedys. She did not become famous because of her second marriage and remained known as "former first lady". Historically now, she is known as "Mrs. Kennedy" or "Jackie/Jacqueline Kennedy" by historians and in books, films, bios, etc. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:37, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is irrelevant, this needs to be assessed on a case-by-case basis. --Marbe166 (talk) 15:19, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Marbe166, though it won't change your mind, I've added more to my rationale than just two family members (and will also throw in first lady Frances Cleveland who also remarried after being widowed). I personally don't agree with your assessment that she is more referred to by her second marriage name or that changing the article name to what she is best known as would, in any way, diminish her accomplishments or identity. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:34, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pinging @SNUGGUMS, @Killuminator, @Randy Kryn, @Skynxnex, @Nohomersryan, @Necrothesp, @UnspokenPassion, @Bruce leverett from previous RM. Apologies if I forgot someone. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:41, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also adding @Iwaqarhashmi. I think that's the only other commenter I missed. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:34, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nominator. Killuminator (talk) 13:42, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In a nutshell, I think this RM is thinly motivated. The n-gram shows that her second married name, while outnumbered by the first, is still in use. I can't bring myself to !vote in either direction on this. Bruce leverett (talk) 14:13, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, she continued to be famous when she was married to Onassis, and then she was more referred to as Onassis. Putting her only as Kennedy would diminish her fame to be that of only being the first lady, which is not correct. Alas, I don't support any move. --Marbe166 (talk) 15:17, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. There are way too many names for this lady vying for the common name honor, Jackie and Jacqueline, both next to several different combinations Bouvier Kennedy, Kennedy Onassis, and so on. I was only 18 when she married Ari, so I've lived more than half a century thinking of her as Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis or just Jackie O. For baby boomers like myself, those are the top two common names. If I have to choose, then I would pick the more elegant of those two, the name that already titles this article. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 18:17, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. In the context specifically of the Kennedy administration, yes, she's known as Jackie Kennedy or Mrs. Kennedy or the like. But she was a famous, public figure for decades afterward where she was known as Jackie O / Onassis. I think your sample size is skewed - I'm sure serious historians of 1961-63 use the contemporary name, but there's a lot more personal history after that, and "celebrity" news matters too given that's what she lived much of her life as. Finally, it was already noted, but an argument for consistency with first ladies is a complete non-starter - each person should be judged on their own merits. If there's anything to be consistent with, it's people who lived for decades publicly as one name but lived by another name for a time before in general. SnowFire (talk) 19:14, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @SnowFire. I don't know what you mean by "sample size" but I was talking about what she is historically referred to and remembered as in general today, not just by historians and books and so on. For example Google ngram chart suggests strongly otherwise that people remember her as "Jacqueline Kennedy" rather than the full name with "Onassis".
    And, again, this is about WP:COMMONNAME, not her own personal preference or personal history after her second marriage. This is what I would also say in response to @Paine Ellsworth's vote. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:49, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Also, as I've said being, it will not erase her second marriage from the article. This RM is just acknowledging her historical name and role which is, ultimately, why she remained famous afterwards and why she is remembered today. You may disagree with the name but that's just historical fact. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:55, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ngrams due to their nature are not the last word in regard to the common name or historical fact. I've always been a bit of a reader, and history has been a favorite subject of mine since those ancient times of the late sixties and seventies. So I will remain firm about the historical value of this article's present title. I know the subject as Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis and have since my late teens. I cannot discount what I've read over these many years. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 23:22, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Omnis Scientia: To be clear, I agree COMMONNAME should dominate. However, your ngrams are not convincing. First, at risk of pointing out the obvious, but every hit for "Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis" is also a hit for "Jacqueline Kennedy". Second, of the remaining no-Onassis hits, many of these are for historic references to the pre-1968 period where calling her Onassis would be unusual. Third, you picked "Jacqueline", but she often went by "Jackie" in the media, and "Jackie O" in particular was a common media reference to her in the 70s, 80s, and 90s. Backing up a little, let's say for the sake of argument that 100% of sources on 1961-63 use "Kennedy", and 100% of sources on 68-94 use "Kennedy Onassis". Simply because she was First Lady at the time, there will be far, far, FAR more sources discussing the 1961-63 period, especially in published books (rather than, like, People magazine, which won't show up in ngrams), because US political history is very heavily chronicled. But the topic here is Jackie Kennedy, not US politics. So we need to look at what sources focusing on Jackie Kennedy (Onassis?) use, not the term sources on US & Cold War politics use that happen to mention her as a figure in the era. My impression is the same as Paine Ellsworth: when the topic is Jackie O in particular, she gets the Onassis. SnowFire (talk) 23:30, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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