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Redirects for discussion (RfD) is the place where potentially problematic redirects are discussed. Items usually stay listed for a week or so, after which they are deleted, kept, or retargeted.
- If you want to replace an unprotected redirect with an article, do not list it here. Turning redirects into articles is wholly encouraged. Be bold!
- If you want to move a page but a redirect is in the way, do not list it here. For non-controversial cases, place a technical request; if a discussion is required, then start a requested move.
- If you think a redirect points to the wrong target article, this is a good place to discuss the proper target.
- Redirects should not be deleted just because they have no incoming links. Please do not use this as the only reason to delete a redirect. However, redirects that do have incoming links are sometimes deleted, so that is not a sufficient condition for keeping. (See § When should we delete a redirect? for more information.)
Please do not unilaterally rename or change the target of a redirect while it is under discussion. This adds unnecessary complication to the discussion for participants and closers.
Before listing a redirect for discussion
[edit]Please be aware of these general policies, which apply here as elsewhere:
- Wikipedia:Redirect – what redirects are, why they exist, and how they are used.
- Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion – which pages can be deleted without discussion; in particular the "General" and "Redirects" sections.
- Wikipedia:Deletion policy – how we delete things by consensus.
- Wikipedia:Guide to deletion – guidelines on discussion format and shorthand.
The guiding principles of RfD
[edit]- The purpose of a good redirect is to eliminate the possibility that readers will find themselves staring blankly at "Search results 1–10 out of 378" instead of the article they were looking for. If someone could plausibly enter the redirect's name when searching for the target article, it's a good redirect.
- Redirects are cheap. They take up little storage space and use very little bandwidth. It doesn't really hurt things if there are a few of them scattered around. On the flip side, deleting redirects is also cheap because recording the deletion takes up little storage space and uses very little bandwidth. There is no harm in deleting problematic redirects.
- If a good-faith RfD nomination proposes to delete a redirect and has no discussion after at least 7 days, the default result is delete.
- Redirects nominated in contravention of Wikipedia:Redirect will be speedily kept.
- RfD can also serve as a central discussion forum for debates about which page a redirect should target. In cases where retargeting the redirect could be considered controversial, it is advisable to leave a notice on the talk page of the redirect's current target page or the proposed target page to refer readers to the redirect's nomination to allow input and help form consensus for the redirect's target.
- Requests for deletion of redirects from one page's talk page to another's do not need to be listed here. Anyone can remove the redirect by blanking the page. The G6 criterion for speedy deletion may be appropriate.
- In discussions, always ask yourself whether or not a redirect would be helpful to the reader.
When should we delete a redirect?
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This page is transcluded from Wikipedia:Redirect/Deletion reasons. (edit | history) |
The major reasons why deletion of redirects is harmful are:
- a redirect may contain non-trivial edit history;
- if a redirect is reasonably old (or is the result of moving a page that has been there for quite some time), then it is possible that its deletion will break incoming links (such links coming from older revisions of Wikipedia pages, from edit summaries, from other Wikimedia projects or from elsewhere on the internet, do not show up in "What links here").
Therefore consider the deletion only of either harmful redirects or of recent ones.
Reasons for deleting
[edit]You might want to delete a redirect if one or more of the following conditions is met (but note also the exceptions listed below this list):
- The redirect page makes it unreasonably difficult for users to locate similarly named articles via the search engine. For example, if the user searches for "New Articles", and is redirected to a disambiguation page for "Articles", it would take much longer to get to the newly added articles on Wikipedia.
- The redirect might cause confusion. For example, if "Adam B. Smith" was redirected to "Andrew B. Smith", because Andrew was accidentally called Adam in one source, this could cause confusion with the article on Adam Smith, so the redirect should be deleted.
- The redirect is offensive or abusive, such as redirecting "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" to "Joe Bloggs" (unless "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" is legitimately discussed in the article), or "Joe Bloggs" to "Loser". (Speedy deletion criterion G10 and G3 may apply.) See also § Neutrality of redirects.
- The redirect constitutes self-promotion or spam. (Speedy deletion criterion G11 may apply.)
- The redirect makes no sense, such as redirecting "Apple" to "Orange". (Speedy deletion criterion G1 may apply.)
- It is a cross-namespace redirect out of article space, such as one pointing into the User or Wikipedia namespace. The major exception to this rule are the pseudo-namespace shortcut redirects, which technically are in the main article space. Some long-standing cross-namespace redirects are also kept because of their long-standing history and potential usefulness. "MOS:" redirects, for example, are an exception to this rule. (Note also the existence of namespace aliases such as WP:. Speedy deletion criterion R2 may apply if the target namespace is something other than Category:, Template:, Wikipedia:, Help:, or Portal:.)
- If the redirect is broken, meaning it redirects to an article that does not exist, it can be immediately deleted under speedy deletion criterion G8. You should check that there is not an alternative place it could be appropriately redirected to first and that it has not become broken through vandalism.
- If the redirect is a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name that is not mentioned in the target, it is unlikely to be useful. In particular, redirects in a language other than English to a page whose subject is unrelated to that language (or a culture that speaks that language) should generally not be created. (Implausible typos or misnomers are candidates for speedy deletion criterion R3, if recently created.)
- If the target article needs to be moved to the redirect title, but the redirect has been edited before and has a history of its own, then the title needs to be freed up to make way for the move. If the move is uncontroversial, tag the redirect for G6 speedy deletion, or alternatively (with the
suppressredirect
user right; available to page movers and admins), perform a round-robin move. If not, take the article to Requested moves. - If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject.
Reasons for not deleting
[edit]However, avoid deleting such redirects if:
- They have a potentially useful page history, or an edit history that should be kept to comply with the licensing requirements for a merge (see Wikipedia:Merge and delete). On the other hand, if the redirect was created by renaming a page with that name, and the page history just mentions the renaming, and for one of the reasons above you want to delete the page, copy the page history to the Talk page of the article it redirects to. The act of renaming is useful page history, and even more so if there has been discussion on the page name.
- They would aid accidental linking and make the creation of duplicate articles less likely, whether by redirecting a plural to a singular, by redirecting a frequent misspelling to a correct spelling, by redirecting a misnomer to a correct term, by redirecting to a synonym, etc. In other words, redirects with no incoming links are not candidates for deletion on those grounds because they are of benefit to the browsing user. Some extra vigilance by editors will be required to minimize the occurrence of those frequent misspellings in article text because the linkified misspellings will not appear as broken links; consider tagging the redirect with the {{R from misspelling}} template to assist editors in monitoring these misspellings.
- They aid searches on certain terms. For example, users who might see the "Keystone State" mentioned somewhere but do not know what that refers to will be able to find out at the Pennsylvania (target) article.
- Deleting redirects runs the risk of breaking incoming or internal links. For example, redirects resulting from page moves should not normally be deleted without good reason. Links that have existed for a significant length of time, including CamelCase links (e.g. WolVes) and old subpage links, should be left alone in case there are any existing links on external pages pointing to them. See also Wikipedia:Link rot § Link rot on non-Wikimedia sites.
- Someone finds them useful. Hint: If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful—this is not because the other person is being untruthful, but because you browse Wikipedia in different ways. Evidence of usage can be gauged by using the wikishark or pageviews tool on the redirect to see the number of views it gets.
- The redirect is to a closely related word form, such as a plural form to a singular form.
Neutrality of redirects
[edit]Just as article titles using non-neutral language are permitted in some circumstances, so are such redirects. Because redirects are less visible to readers, more latitude is allowed in their names, therefore perceived lack of neutrality in redirect names is not a sufficient reason for their deletion. In most cases, non-neutral but verifiable redirects should point to neutrally titled articles about the subject of the term. Non-neutral redirects may be tagged with {{R from non-neutral name}}
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Non-neutral redirects are commonly created for three reasons:
- Articles that are created using non-neutral titles are routinely moved to a new neutral title, which leaves behind the old non-neutral title as a working redirect (e.g. Climategate → Climatic Research Unit email controversy).
- Articles created as POV forks may be deleted and replaced by a redirect pointing towards the article from which the fork originated (e.g. Barack Obama Muslim rumor → deleted and now redirected to Barack Obama religion conspiracy theories).
- The subject matter of articles may be represented by some sources outside Wikipedia in non-neutral terms. Such terms are generally avoided in Wikipedia article titles, per the words to avoid guidelines and the general neutral point of view policy. For instance the non-neutral expression "Attorneygate" is used to redirect to the neutrally titled Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy. The article in question has never used that title, but the redirect was created to provide an alternative means of reaching it because a number of press reports use the term.
The exceptions to this rule would be redirects that are not established terms and are unlikely to be useful, and therefore may be nominated for deletion, perhaps under deletion reason #3. However, if a redirect represents an established term that is used in multiple mainstream reliable sources, it should be kept even if non-neutral, as it will facilitate searches on such terms. Please keep in mind that RfD is not the place to resolve most editorial disputes.
Closing notes
[edit]- Details at Administrator instructions for RfD
Nominations should remain open, per policy, about a week before they are closed, unless they meet the general criteria for speedy deletion, the criteria for speedy deletion of a redirect, or are not valid redirect discussion requests (e.g. are actually move requests).
How to list a redirect for discussion
[edit]STEP I. | Tag the redirect(s).
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STEP II. | List the entry on RfD.
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STEP III. | Notify users.
It is generally considered good practice to notify the creator and main contributors of the redirect(s) that you nominate. may be placed on the creator/main contributors' user talk page to provide notice of the discussion. Please replace RedirectName with the name of the respective creator/main contributors' redirect and use an edit summary such as: Notice of redirect discussion at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]]
Notices about the RfD discussion may also be left on relevant talk pages. |
- Please consider using What links here to locate other redirects that may be related to the one you are nominating. After going to the redirect target page and selecting "What links here" in the toolbox on the left side of your computer screen, select both "Hide transclusions" and "Hide links" filters to display the redirects to the redirect target page.
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Current list
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Unfallen (2017 film)
[edit]Unnecessary disambiguation. Bgsu98 (Talk) 22:47, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as a standard {{R from unnecessary disambiguation}}. No reason to delete. C F A 💬 22:52, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per CFA and as a valid {{R from move}}. CycloneYoris talk! 22:56, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per CFA. mwwv converse∫edits 23:28, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Game deck
[edit]Not mentioned in the target article, leaving the connection between the target article and the redirect unclear. Per the edit history of the redirect, seems the intent of this term was to correlate with the subject at Handheld game console. However, this term has been WP:SEO'ed on third party search engines to apparently establish that this phrase exclusively refers to Steam Deck. (This redirect is a {{R with history}}.) Steel1943 (talk) 21:57, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Video game demographics
[edit]- Video game demographics → Video game#Demographics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The section where this redirect targets is not currently in the target article. The target article does mention the word "demographics" 4 times, but it does not seem as though there is a proper location/section within the article to target this redirect. Also, leaving the redirect to target the base article title Video game could be unhelpful since readers would have to hunt down in various places what they are trying to find, and even then, they may not find what they are looking for. I'm thinking this redirect may be a WP:REDLINK deletion candidate. Steel1943 (talk) 21:43, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Videogame type
[edit]- Videogame type → Video game (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The word "type" is incredibly vague/ambiguous here. Is it meant to refer to genre (action, adventure, etc.), platform (PC, console, etc), medium (cartridge, CD, digital, etc.)? No idea. Steel1943 (talk) 21:39, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Video game genre. Google searching "video game type" comes up with multiple of pages thinking you mean video game genre (without the "did you mean" hatnote!), and the two words are synonyms anyway. mwwv converse∫edits 23:34, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Electronic entertainment
[edit]- Electronic entertainment → Video game (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The concept is not exclusive to its target. First exceptions that come to mind are Television and Film. Steel1943 (talk) 21:35, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Game trading
[edit]- Game trading → Video game (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not exclusive to Video game. Could refer to any subtopic of Game with a physical (or heck, some virtual/digital in today's world) representation. Steel1943 (talk) 21:32, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Computer and video game distinction
[edit]- Computer and video game distinction → Video game (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
At the present time, Computer game redirects to Video game. For this reason, there is no distinction by default, so leading readers to any article via this phrase can be seen as misleading. Steel1943 (talk) 21:31, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Home computer game
[edit]- Home computer game → PC game (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Home computer games → PC game (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not sure if these redirects should be retained at their current target or be retargeted to Video game. Per the result of Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 May 5#Computer game, Computer game was retargeted away from PC game and to Video game. Considering the current states of the articles Home computer and Personal computer ("PC" in the current target), it does not seem as though the usage of the phrase "home computer" exclusively refers to "personal computer". Steel1943 (talk) 21:11, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Multiplayer Online Adventure Game
[edit]- Multiplayer Online Adventure Game → Multiplayer video game (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The word "adventure" is nowhere in the target article, leaving it unclear what this redirect is meant to refer or define. Steel1943 (talk) 20:51, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Online multi-player gamers
[edit]- Online multi-player gamers → Game#Multiplayer games (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This redirect seems vague/unclear, specifically since the redirect uses the word "gamers" instead of "games", as well as the word "online". Between several topics including the current target, Multiplayer video game, Massively multiplayer online game, Gamer and/or subtopics, amongst others, it does not seem clear where this redirect should target, if anywhere. Steel1943 (talk) 20:36, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Land 2
[edit]- Land 2 → Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
wouldn't it be wacky if "land" was a common word in game boy game titles, "2" was a common number in game sequels, and there were at least 2 other games with both of them? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:00, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- off the top of my head, i can name
- kirbo's dream land 2
- donkey kong land 2
- bomberman land 2 (not on the game boy, but whatever)
- wario land 2
- i don't know if this could be deleted as a vague search or dabified, unless someone wants to see if there's a sequel to the concept of land cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:04, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Ambiguous/vague. Steel1943 (talk) 20:37, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Priestess
[edit]- Priestess → Priest (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Female priest → Ordination of women (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Re-target to Ordination of women. This is for consistency with Female priest, as agreed upon at Talk:Priestess_(disambiguation)#Requested_move_25_August_2023. Discussion of the other redirect occurred at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2023_September_15#Female_priest. There are concerns about the appropriateness of the current target to house a section for the target of this redirect. See Talk:Priest#Priestesses. 174.92.25.207 (talk) 19:59, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. A priestess is a female priest, therefore the topic is clearly the covered by the article at priest. I've never heard the term used in connection with the origination of women, and would be frankly rather WP:ASTONISHed if the redirect went there. — Amakuru (talk) 20:43, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- It's ordination, not origination. jlwoodwa (talk) 20:54, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- I nominated the other redirect Female priest in case we want to change it to Priest for consistency.
- @Amakuru: You "never heard the term ... the origination of women, and ... WP:ASTONISHed"?
FYI, I created this RfD while dealing with Draft:Priestess, and related articles' history might be useful. 174.92.25.207 (talk) 21:09, 22 July 2024 (UTC)Keep per Shhhnotsoloud - if someone prepends "female" to this then the topic is most likely to refer to ordination of women
— User:Amakuru 15:08, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
"Super Mario Bros. 35"
[edit]Assassination of Donald Trump
[edit]- Assassination of Donald Trump → Attempted assassination of Donald Trump (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This has twice been deleted as an attack page, once by Liz and once by Isabelle Belato. While it does impute a motive to the gunman, it also strikes me as a plausible redirect. Hence my taking it here for further discussion as to a correct outcome. If deletion is decided to be appropriate I would suggest the page be salted. Barkeep49 (talk) 19:09, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Plausible search term redirect. C F A 💬 19:15, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- It's a blatant WP:G10 violation. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:16, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- "Blatant" is quite the stretch here. It is a plausible search term. Who is it targeting as an attack page? C F A 💬 19:21, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- It meets this criterion as it is inherently negative and misleading. Redirects implying the death or assassination of a living person can have serious reputational impacts. In the case of a high-profile individual like Donald Trump, such implications can be considered defamatory and harmful. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:26, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- "Blatant" is quite the stretch here. It is a plausible search term. Who is it targeting as an attack page? C F A 💬 19:21, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- It's a blatant WP:G10 violation. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:16, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete and WP:SALT per WP:G10. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:15, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- I don't see who this disparages, at least in any way that the actual title of the page it redirects to does. Indeed, it grants the perpetrator a success that the directed page doesn't. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 19:18, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hence it disparages the target, Donald Trump. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:20, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not seeing how that is a disparagement. An inaccuracy, yes, but it says nothing about his character, and if followed, the situation is quickly revealed. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 19:24, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Even if the redirect does not disparage character, its misleading nature and potential to cause harm align with the reasons for which similar pages have been deleted. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:27, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not seeing how that is a disparagement. An inaccuracy, yes, but it says nothing about his character, and if followed, the situation is quickly revealed. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 19:24, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hence it disparages the target, Donald Trump. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:20, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Neveselbert who is the living person being attacked? Can you explain a bit further how they're being attacked? I'm entirely willing to admit I might be missing something (and indeed did a sanity check before declining and bringing it here given that two admins I respect had already deleted it as G10). Barkeep49 (talk) 19:21, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- We have a responsibility to present accurate and neutral information. A title like this fails to meet these standards by presenting a false and sensational version of events. Two respected administrators have already deemed the redirect a violation, indicating a consensus that it constitutes an attack page. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:30, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- I am also someone who regularly patrols and deletes G10s and so knowing what the community consensus was felt like an appropriate step to take. For me, it seems like WP:RNEUTRAL would allow this title to me if it wasn't a BLP violation. So far it's not clear how Trump is harmed by someone saying he was assassination any more than Obama is harmed by the listed example around his being a Muslim in our redirect guideline. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 19:58, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- We have a responsibility to present accurate and neutral information. A title like this fails to meet these standards by presenting a false and sensational version of events. Two respected administrators have already deemed the redirect a violation, indicating a consensus that it constitutes an attack page. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:30, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- I don't see who this disparages, at least in any way that the actual title of the page it redirects to does. Indeed, it grants the perpetrator a success that the directed page doesn't. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 19:18, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- I don't see how this title is a G10 any more than its target's is. —Cryptic 19:18, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- He was not assassinated. It's no different to having a Death of Donald Trump redirect. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:19, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- It is different. Where would Death of Donald Trump redirect to? Assassination of Donald Trump simply eliminates a word and brings you to the accurate page. He was very nearly assassinated. If anything, it's better to have this redirect to clarify any confusion about what happened. C F A 💬 19:29, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- The search function can achieve that without the use of a fictional redirect. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:32, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- It is different. Where would Death of Donald Trump redirect to? Assassination of Donald Trump simply eliminates a word and brings you to the accurate page. He was very nearly assassinated. If anything, it's better to have this redirect to clarify any confusion about what happened. C F A 💬 19:29, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- He was not assassinated. It's no different to having a Death of Donald Trump redirect. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:19, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - it's a shortened version of the the target page. The fact that the attemptted assassination was not successful does not make it an invalid redirect. I think it's in compliance with WP:SHORT.
The Mountain of Eden (talk) 19:22, 22 July 2024 (UTC)The Mountain of Eden (talk) 19:34, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- I would say Delete as "Assassination of Donald Trump" would imply an actual assassination; But I could also got for Keep with caveat to mark the redirect with {{R from non-neutral name}} →AzaToth 19:58, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- It's not non-neutral, it's just wrong. —Alalch E. 21:55, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. A clear and obvious term under which someone might search for this event. — Amakuru (talk) 20:44, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - I don't think it falls under G10 (Assassinate Donald Trump would be a blatant G10 violation, not sure about this title), but it is very misleading and inaccurate, does not seem to fall under WP:RPURPOSE, and does appear to fail WP:R#DELETE #2... as Neveselbert already said, it is as plausible of a search term for the event in question as Killing of Donald Trump or Death of Donald Trump... he was not assassinated, no one that has heard anything about the event is going to think he was assassinated, thus no one is likely to be searching for the Assassination of Donald Trump... and I think I also agree with it being SALTed, until (if) it is ever a true statement, at which point we would obviously need to create a new article using this title... - Adolphus79 (talk) 21:06, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Not an attack page. Valid member of Category:Redirects from incorrect names. Falls under WP:PURPOSE: Serve content to readers matching their query. We know what topic they want to read an article on, so we serve them that article. That is the purpose. They misidenfied the nature of the thing or used imprecise words to refer to the thing—they land at the correctly titled article about the thing where they can get knowledge. What else is the purpose?—Alalch E. 21:54, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- About WP:R#D2: That's for redirects that can cause confusion in the scenario that the wrong idea about what something is persists or is reinforced after reading the title of the page you land on and its first sentence as well, at least. Here, there is no such confusion, because if someone thinks that Trump was killed (esoteric scenario) they will be told in the first sentence that he survived, and "Attempted assassination" is clear enough in itself. If someone was to use imprecise words, failing to distinguish between an assassination and an attempted assassination, while knowing that Trump was not killed in the event (the actual, real, scenario), there would be no confusion to begin with. So that reason to delete a redirect does not apply. It's for more ambiguous cases where the redirect title denotes an incorrect idea that can plausibly get reinforced after arriving at the page, because the start of the page does not directly contradict and dispel the idea. —Alalch E. 22:44, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Sącz dialect
[edit]- Sącz dialect → Sącz Lachs (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not found at target article. Bgsu98 (Talk) 19:08, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete and speedy. This whole region is very complicated dialectally and in terms of terminology, and so things had to change. Vininn126 (talk) 19:11, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Lebanese Forces Cross
[edit]- Lebanese Forces Cross → Lebanese Forces (militia) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not found at target article. Bgsu98 (Talk) 19:00, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: I believe it is referring to the cross on the flag. See the infobox ("Cross of Resistance flag of the Lebanese Forces militia, adopted in 1984"). Probably rarely used but no harm in keeping it. C F A 💬 19:53, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as likely search term per WP:RKEEP #3. Term is used in several news articles: [1][2][3] —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 19:55, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Calls for Joe Biden to suspend his 2024 United States presidential campaign
[edit]- Calls for Joe Biden to suspend his 2024 United States presidential campaign → Withdrawal of Joe Biden from the 2024 United States presidential election (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
List of Democrats who opposed the Joe Biden 2024 presidential campaign might be a better target. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 18:45, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Joe Biden 2024 presidential campaign#Calls to withdraw which explains the issue and has a see also link to the list. C F A 💬 19:49, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Vocal minority
[edit]- Vocal minority → Silent majority (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
this term is the exact opposite of the article it links to -- FMSky (talk) 18:30, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and add special Rcat. Catching the opposite of something is a valid reason to create a redirect pointing to the opposite of the redirect (for as long as we don't have an article about it specifically). However, we usually tag such redirects with {{R from opposite}} to improve reverse loopup capabilities, and this is what we should do here as well. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 19:34, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete to WP:RETURNTORED. It is a frequently-used term that we should have a separate article on. A redirect isn't helping. C F A 💬 19:47, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Varsity (upcoming film)
[edit]- Varsity (upcoming film) → Prime Target (TV series) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I have no idea what the idea is behind this redirect but in my opinion it is useless The Banner talk 16:55, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- I created Varsity (upcoming film), someone else separately created Prime Target (TV series). It is my understanding that these are for the same production, and Prime Target is the correct title for broadcast. Hildreth gazzard (talk) 17:03, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep but move to Varsity (TV series) since the subject is not a film per se, and the word "upcoming" is unnecessary IMO; also mention that "Varsity" was the original title of the series before production began. CycloneYoris talk! 01:25, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
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Power flower
[edit]- Power flower → Super Mario 64 DS#Gameplay (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
things named "power flower" have been in three mario games so far (though they're all different things), and none of them seem to be the primary target for the term cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:33, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
North West Leicestershire by-election, 2010
[edit]- North West Leicestershire by-election, 2010 → David Taylor (North West Leicestershire MP) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Never happened. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 22:50, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak refine to the "Standing down" section where it gets explained the most. There are a few hits dotted around the web as a by-election was expected. Thryduulf (talk) 23:16, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- In which case it should be renamed Planned North West Leicestershire by-election, 2010, without leaving a redirect. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 18:41, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- If this were an article I could support moving but only retaining a redirect, as a redirect I can only oppose. The current title is the plausible search term, given that's how UK by-election articles are titled. Thryduulf (talk) 08:00, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- It's not at all plausible, it's a fictional event. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 04:21, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Not it's not fictional. It was an expected event that ended up not happening because it turned out to be a rare exception to the norm of by-elections happening within ~four months of a vacancy arising. Given that norm and the rarity of exceptions, it is very plausible for someone seeing the MP for North West Leicestershire died in late December 2009 to expect there to have been a by-election in the constituency in the first quarter of 2010. Thryduulf (talk) 10:42, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, it is ultimately fictional, as it never happened and can never happen, as it's no longer 2010. Like I said, the redirect can be moved to serve the same purpose. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 17:07, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Not it's not fictional. It was an expected event that ended up not happening because it turned out to be a rare exception to the norm of by-elections happening within ~four months of a vacancy arising. Given that norm and the rarity of exceptions, it is very plausible for someone seeing the MP for North West Leicestershire died in late December 2009 to expect there to have been a by-election in the constituency in the first quarter of 2010. Thryduulf (talk) 10:42, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- It's not at all plausible, it's a fictional event. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 04:21, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- If this were an article I could support moving but only retaining a redirect, as a redirect I can only oppose. The current title is the plausible search term, given that's how UK by-election articles are titled. Thryduulf (talk) 08:00, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- In which case it should be renamed Planned North West Leicestershire by-election, 2010, without leaving a redirect. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 18:41, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Did the preparations for the by-election actually start? The Banner talk 11:19, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- AIUI formal preparations can only start once the writ for the election has been issued (which it never was), but it is very likely that at least some informal ones were. Given that those same preparations would have just become preparations for the general election when that was called, and most of them wouldn't have been newsworthy I'm not sure how you'd go about ascertaining, especially at this distance. Thryduulf (talk) 16:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- The by-election should have been within four months after vacating the seat, if I read it correct. That would bring the by-election to the end of April 2010 (roughly). That makes it more than likely that the by-election was effectively cancelled due to the upcoming general election. So in my opinion, it makes sense to retarget to 2010 United Kingdom general election The Banner talk 18:07, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- AIUI formal preparations can only start once the writ for the election has been issued (which it never was), but it is very likely that at least some informal ones were. Given that those same preparations would have just become preparations for the general election when that was called, and most of them wouldn't have been newsworthy I'm not sure how you'd go about ascertaining, especially at this distance. Thryduulf (talk) 16:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
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Mystic Ruins
[edit]- Mystic Ruins → Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood#Plot (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
either vague, or more closely associated with sonic adventure cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:20, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
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Template:Simbad link
[edit]- Template:Simbad link → Template:SIMBAD link (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unnecessary creation of a redirect that merits deletion. Intrisit (talk) 16:08, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, no valid reason given for deletion. 21 Andromedae (talk) 17:41, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. I don't find it too far-fetched that someone will only capitalise the first letter. Procyon117 (talk) 19:08, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: What was the point of nominating this? Obviously a reasonable redirect. C F A 💬 19:43, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Active worlds in the Solar System
[edit]- Active worlds in the Solar System → Volcano#Volcanoes on other celestial bodies (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
not the biggest volcano nerd out there, so sorry in advance for any uninformed claims, but from reading the target and other related articles, there seem to be no other celestial bodies that meet the criteria of being a "world", currently having volcanic activity, and being in the solar system, though mercury is a strong "maybe". on another note, i'm not entirely sure "active world" is a term used to refer to volcanic activity, and the creator of the redirect (who seems to have made it as an essay) seemed to have also been referring to geysers, and counting moons as "worlds". for results. wikipedia gave me an mmo (shoutouts to hitomi fujiko), google gave me assorted apps and brands, and wiktionary gave me nothing. unless there's a detail i'm missing or this is a scientific term that refers to celestial bodies with volcanic activity, i'll vote for deletion cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:07, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- on this note, i should mention "volcanically active worlds", a redirect that specifies the type of activity it refers to and does not specify the location. jury's still out on the definition of world though, but it's a step in the right direction cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:16, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Is there a better redirect at this time as is this not a redirect with potential.?
- Jury is out on definition of volcano as noted in the article itself and presumably meaning of world. Planet and moon are more accurate terms. Many "worlds" are active in some way as they are above absolute zero and may have internal or external entropy sources that disturb their surface however that is defined. Someone could get a good article out of this so my vote is to retain in hope someone will do the job, unless there is a better redirect. ChaseKiwi (talk) 17:56, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- drifting into personal opinion territory by now, but wouldn't returning to red be better for that? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:05, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- I think "Active worlds" is too ambiguous to justify keeping "Active worlds in the Solar System" as a redirect to Volcano#Volcanoes on other celestial bodies. I also have not found any other suitable redirect targets because the problem is the lack of meaning in the redirect's title rather than a problem with any targets of the redirect. I recommend delete. GeoWriter (talk) 11:49, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- drifting into personal opinion territory by now, but wouldn't returning to red be better for that? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:05, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
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Vice President Vance
[edit]- Vice President Vance → J. D. Vance (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Vice President J. D. Vance → J. D. Vance (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This is misleading. Vance is currently not the Vice President nor has he ever been the Vice President. Pages like this for candidates who have been VP were not created until after the election. Wozal (talk) 15:42, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as a POV violation unless and until he becomes VPOTUS. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:48, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Redirects are not required to be neutral (WP:RNEUTRAL) and the article explains that he is a nominee in the first sentence. This redirects helps confused readers get correct information. Ca talk to me! 16:10, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:CRYSTAL. We're not in the business of predicting the future. - Eureka Lott 16:42, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. He is only a nominee for vice president. If he becomes vice president, then fair enough. But not right now. Procyon117 (talk) 19:10, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete for now. WP:CRYSTAL and faulty/misleading WP:SEO based on the present day situation. Steel1943 (talk) 21:29, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:CRYSTAL, recreate IF they win... - Adolphus79 (talk) 21:31, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Added/bundled Vice President J. D. Vance into this nomination. Steel1943 (talk) 21:46, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete both per WP:CRYSTAL. mwwv converse∫edits 23:41, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Scared Silly
[edit]- Scared Silly → Ronald McDonald (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
normally a little vague, but as a name, it seems more primarily associated with an open season movie cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:03, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak DABify - This is the title of the first episode of The Wacky Adventures of Ronald McDonald, and also for the movie Open Season: Scared Silly. I'm uncertain if the Open Season movie is the WP:PTOPIC for the phrase "Scared Silly" specifically, and google shows that it's the title of more things as well, such as a children's novel by Elizabeth Eulberg (no wiki-page), a picture book by Marc Brown (author) (very famous author), a stage play by Peter Bloedel (probably not notable), and likely many more... as this is a common English expression as well! Google does show the movie a bit more prominently than the other entries, mind you, so the PTOPIC argument can certainly be made, but that's why my DABify !vote is weak. Although I will say, if a PTOPIC is established, a disambiguation page should probably be made alongside it and hatnoted. Fieari (talk) 06:28, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
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Paper Bowser
[edit]- Paper Bowser → Paper Mario (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
no game under that title yet (give them time), wouldn't the list of paper mario characters be a better target? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:20, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- oh wait
- there's no section specifically for bowser there, and his article doesn't mention him in paper mario beyond "he was there". forget retargeting, i vote to delete as unhelpful cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:51, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Keeping under the idea that they might make a game with that title is pointless WP:CRYSTAL-gazing, and unfounded to boot. As it stands now, we have no information at all regarding Bowser's inclusion in the Paper Mario series, nor any other place where something might be known as 'Paper Bowser'. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 01:52, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, although he really should have a section at list of Paper Mario characters. QuicoleJR (talk) 03:26, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:13, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - We lack information on this topic, and shouldn't claim we have it when we don't. Sometimes the mere existence of a redirect can be informative even without a mention, but this is not one of those cases. Fieari (talk) 07:28, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam. There is some content in that article on Paper Bowser (as an independent character to boot, not just "mainstream Bowser in a paper art style"!). AFAIK Paper Jam is the only game where Paper Bowser is a character in his own right, making that game a possible target. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (Goodbye!) 08:14, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget per Mellohi! above. Seems like a reasonable target and the character is mentioned in the article. C F A 💬 19:40, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
FX (African TV channel)
[edit]- FX (African TV channel) → FX (international) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Since Rosguill saw no worth in having content for this title out of GNG concerns, I've listed it here for a possible deletion. Intrisit (talk) 15:17, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Refine to FX (international)#South Africa. Why would we delete this? C F A 💬 20:16, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
The Economic Times (India)
[edit]- The Economic Times (India) → The Economic Times (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Requesting deletion of unnecessary redirect created in 2013. Intrisit (talk) 14:35, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Readers may believe there be multiple publication with the name "The Economic Times", and add a natural-looking disambiguator (India) to disambiguate it. Seems clear and useful to me. Ca talk to me! 16:12, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as a harmless {{r from unnecessary disambiguation}}. It's in use in 19 articles, so deleting it would be a bad idea. - Eureka Lott 16:40, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: standard {{r from unnecessary disambiguation}}. C F A 💬 19:56, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
All-Star Batman and Robin
[edit]- All-Star Batman and Robin → All Star Batman & Robin, the Boy Wonder (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- All star batman and robin → All Star Batman & Robin, the Boy Wonder (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- All Star Batman and Robin → All Star Batman & Robin, the Boy Wonder (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- All-Star Batman & Robin → All Star Batman & Robin, the Boy Wonder (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
all-star batman and robin is a different goddamn comic from all star batman & robin, the goddamn boy wonder, but its only meaningful goddamn mention is in the goddamn list of batman comics, and the goddamn results seem to give goddamn priority to all star batman & robin, the goddamn boy wonder. should they be goddamn retargeted to the goddamn list of batman comics, or are they goddamn fine as is? cogsan (goddamn talk page) (goddamn contribs) 13:12, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Bullitt (album)
[edit]- Bullitt (album) → Bullitt (Wilton Felder album) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
There is also Bullitt (soundtrack), and this redirect is too confusing. saebou (talk) 11:41, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Tagged redirect since it wasn't tagged by the nom. CycloneYoris talk! 22:54, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Bullitt (disambiguation) as a {{r from incomplete disambiguation}}. This definitely shouldn't be deleted, because Bullitt (Wilton Felder album) was at this title until a few hours ago. - Eureka Lott 13:59, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per above. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:19, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Leica MD-2
[edit]- Leica MD-2 → Leica M4#MD-2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Right now only seems to be mentioned in Leica M1. 1234qwer1234qwer4 10:28, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The redirect points to the M4 article, because the Leica MD-2 is a simplified derivative of the Leica M4-2. I have added a sentence about it including a reference to the article. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 18:36, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Republican blue
[edit]- Republican blue → Red states and blue states (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Democrat red → Red states and blue states (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Huh? * Pppery * it has begun... 05:40, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- those sound more like pokémon fangames than political terms. delete per "what" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:58, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete I searched on duck.com and saw no sources using this term. Best I found is Ron Paul 2012 presidential campaign § "Blue Republican" movement Ca talk to me! 16:16, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: This article explains the terms. C F A 💬 19:38, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak retarget Republican blue to Republican Blues. Steel1943 (talk) 21:50, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Safe state
[edit]- Safe state → Red states and blue states (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Dubious primacy - searching for "safe state" is giving me lots of non-political ways a state can be safe. Suggest deletion unless a better target is found. * Pppery * it has begun... 05:38, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- delete as vague, as it's also subject to varying definitions of "state". could refer to a move in a fighting game being plus on block for all we know cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:00, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Change into disambiguation page. Doing our readers a better service than only pointing to one meaning or non at all. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 19:17, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. This is far too vague. I actually think the reader is better served by not cluttering the Search tool with a potentially confusing redirect. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:25, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Vague redirect with potential bias in reference to either subject of the current target. Steel1943 (talk) 21:16, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Apple reinvents the phone.
[edit]- Apple reinvents the phone. → IPhone (1st generation) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unlikely search term. This appears to be the official slogan of the iPhone. Mia Mahey (talk) 05:01, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as {{r from slogan}}. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 10:21, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete for trailing full stop. From Search, the slogan (or rather press release headline) appears to have been "Apple Reinvents the Phone with iPhone". Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:23, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Donald Kettl
[edit]- Donald Kettl → Fels Institute of Government (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of Donald Kettl on the redirect target page. Kettl is no longer working at Fels Institute Johnj1995 (talk) 18:03, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. C F A 💬 20:55, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Unreal engine
[edit]- Unreal engine → Unreal Engine (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Draft:Vengeance Engine → Unreal Engine#Unreal Engine 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Unreal Engine (game engine) → Unreal Engine (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- UnrealEngine → Unreal Engine (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Unreal technology → Unreal Engine (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Unreal Engine Technology → Unreal Engine (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Unreal Engine technology → Unreal Engine (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Unrealscript → Unreal Engine#UnrealScript (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
we should probably delete most of the other ones at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere?target=Unreal+Engine&namespace=&hidetrans=1&hidelinks=1
but I will open a rfd for them later — Preceding unsigned comment added by J2UDY7r00CRjH (talk • contribs) 17:41, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Tagged every single one of these redirects since they weren't tagged by the nom. CycloneYoris talk! 22:18, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- @J2UDY7r00CRjH: Why? These all appear to be entirely typical redirects. Tollens (talk) 18:10, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- None of these redirects are used. "Unreal Engine Technology" is not a typical redirect. Neither is Draft:Vengeance Engine, which makes no sense at all. We should use WP:COMMONNAME, not Unreal Engine technology or Unreal Engine Technology. We should not use misspelled links links like "Unreal engine" or UnrealEngine. "Unreal Engine (game engine)" does not make any sense as there is no other unreal engine to disambiguate it with. It also leads to editors actually using this awful redirects. For example see: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mare_Nostrum_(video_game)&diff=prev&oldid=1235798234 which was using [[Unreal Engine technology#Unreal Engine 2.5|Unreal Engine 2.5]] instead of just [[Unreal Engine 2.5]](Unreal Engine 2.5). why should we support this kind of usage? What benefit is there to having all these inaccurate redirects? J2UDY7r00CRjH (talk) 18:21, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Looking at WP:RFD#DELETE, some of these fall under "The redirect might cause confusion." Specifically Unreal Engine Technology, Unreal Engine technology and Unreal technology which are not WP:COMMONNAME and are not terms I have seen any RS or Unreal Engine itself use to describe Unreal Engine. Additionally Draft:Vengeance Engine is misleading at best as it is not a real engine. UnrealEngine is also misleading as one might think that is how it is spelled, and to a lesser extent Unreal engine as well. J2UDY7r00CRjH (talk) 18:28, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Just as further proof that these redirects are confusing people, I found this wikilink in https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_banned_video_games_by_country&oldid=1235709794:
- >a court found that [[Silicon Knights]] had plagiarized [[Epic Games]]' proprietary [[Unreal Engine|Unreal engine]].
- If editors are purposefully changing Unreal Engine to Unreal engine (incorrect), then we should definitely not support that usage with a redirect as it will further this inaccurate usage. J2UDY7r00CRjH (talk) 19:11, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Another example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Men_Origins:_Wolverine_(video_game)
- The game was developed primarily by [[Raven Software]] through the use of [[Unreal Engine#Unreal Engine 3|Unreal Engine technology]].
- permalink https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=X-Men_Origins:_Wolverine_(video_game)&oldid=1223802693
- I think these examples show that these links are confusing to editors and we should not use them as per commonname. J2UDY7r00CRjH (talk) 21:15, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Looking at WP:RFD#DELETE, some of these fall under "The redirect might cause confusion." Specifically Unreal Engine Technology, Unreal Engine technology and Unreal technology which are not WP:COMMONNAME and are not terms I have seen any RS or Unreal Engine itself use to describe Unreal Engine. Additionally Draft:Vengeance Engine is misleading at best as it is not a real engine. UnrealEngine is also misleading as one might think that is how it is spelled, and to a lesser extent Unreal engine as well. J2UDY7r00CRjH (talk) 18:28, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- None of these redirects are used. "Unreal Engine Technology" is not a typical redirect. Neither is Draft:Vengeance Engine, which makes no sense at all. We should use WP:COMMONNAME, not Unreal Engine technology or Unreal Engine Technology. We should not use misspelled links links like "Unreal engine" or UnrealEngine. "Unreal Engine (game engine)" does not make any sense as there is no other unreal engine to disambiguate it with. It also leads to editors actually using this awful redirects. For example see: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mare_Nostrum_(video_game)&diff=prev&oldid=1235798234 which was using [[Unreal Engine technology#Unreal Engine 2.5|Unreal Engine 2.5]] instead of just [[Unreal Engine 2.5]](Unreal Engine 2.5). why should we support this kind of usage? What benefit is there to having all these inaccurate redirects? J2UDY7r00CRjH (talk) 18:21, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep UnrealEngine, Unreal engine, and Unrealscript. These are common mistakes in editing (WP:RKEEP point 2). They are also common mistakes or shortcuts in searching (point 3) and in navigating by typing URLs (which should be mentioned in point 3 but isn't). Jruderman (talk) 01:35, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I want to emphasize that WP:RKEEP point 2 considers the prevention of red links to be a net benefit. J2UDY7r00CRjH, if you're concerned about the effects on typo longevity, I suggest categorizing the redirects, then working in other venues to leverage certain rcats such as
{{R from misspelling}}
for making encyclopedia-wide improvements. See e.g. this feature request and this archived bot request. Jruderman (talk) 01:35, 22 July 2024 (UTC) - Comment: Unrealscript and Draft:Vengeance Engine are actually redirects to sections of pages. I have updated the nomination above to show the full targets. Jruderman (talk) 01:35, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: On Unreal Engine (game engine), I added
{{R from unnecessary disambiguation}}
. There are over 30,000 such redirects, so I suspect this isn't a reason for deletion by itself. Jruderman (talk) 01:35, 22 July 2024 (UTC) - @J2UDY7r00CRjH: I'd encourage you to have a look at WP:RPURPOSE. You've made a pretty convincing argument for keeping several of these redirects here above. WP:CNAME applies to articles themselves, not redirects, and the fact that people are using several of these terms, even if they are incorrect, is reason to keep the redirects as they are useful, not to delete them. I see four groups in the list presented:
- Unreal engine, UnrealEngine, and Unrealscript are strong keeps. They are either alternative capitalizations or reasonable typos that will help in linking, and very much core reasons in WP:RPURPOSE.
- Unreal technology, Unreal Engine Technology, Unreal Engine technology are plausible search terms, and are good candidates to keep.
- Unreal Engine (game engine) is an unlikely search term given the paranthetical disambiguation, but I'm not sure we should delete it as per Jruderman's third comment. I'll withhold judgement here.
- Draft:Vengeance Engine should be deleted, it's a cross namespace redirect. It should be noted that the articlespace version is a redirect to Irrational Games. A Google search says that the Vengeance Engine is a derivative of UE2 that was created by Irrational. If for some reason we are keep it, I would suggest a retarget to the Unreal Engine 2 article specifically.
- I would suggest to the closer that a new RfD be held on Vengeance Engine to discuss if that redirect be retargeted to Unreal Engine#Unreal Engine 2 or to Unreal Engine 2 should the draftspace redirect be deleted as a result of this discussion. Then again, NOTBURO. Hamtechperson 02:25, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- This is my first time in the redirects forum and you're right, being a new contributor, I'm not familiar with a lot of the rules. In fact, I initially just blanked these pages and asked someone to delete the page in the comment history, which I now understand is not allowed. Reading these rules, I take issue with some of them. I wouldn't call any of these alternative capitalizations: they are typos. And I don't see why we should make redirects for every typo. That implies that every page should have a redirect with various capitalizations of the entry name. If nobody is using these redirects then I don't see a need for them to fix non existing typos. In any case I think it is better to have a redlink than have a typo because 1. someone will see the red link and fix it 2. Some people will see the blue link with a typo and think it is correct. This is in line with the reasoning given here: "The redirect might cause confusion." Also, I disagree that Unreal technology, Unreal Engine Technology, and Unreal Engine technology are plausible search terms. Looking at Google Trends, it doesn't seem anyone is using these search terms. I'm not aware of any such term being used by reliable sources or unreal itself or really anyone at all using it. I certainly don't see why we need a redirect for a misspelling of a possible search term for this page. J2UDY7r00CRjH (talk) 03:00, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- To get a sense of which variants are usually considered redirect-worthy and which aren't, you can check the examples in WP:RTYPO and WP:RCAPS. Jruderman (talk) 03:55, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- The line between
{{R from alternative capitalization}}
and{{R from incorrect capitalization}}
can be blurry sometimes. In "Epic Games' proprietary Unreal engine", perhaps the author is treating "Unreal" as a name and "engine" as a generic noun. But the distinction doesn't really matter at RfD because the reasons for having the redirect are similar: helping users reach the article they intend to reach. Jruderman (talk) 04:10, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- This is my first time in the redirects forum and you're right, being a new contributor, I'm not familiar with a lot of the rules. In fact, I initially just blanked these pages and asked someone to delete the page in the comment history, which I now understand is not allowed. Reading these rules, I take issue with some of them. I wouldn't call any of these alternative capitalizations: they are typos. And I don't see why we should make redirects for every typo. That implies that every page should have a redirect with various capitalizations of the entry name. If nobody is using these redirects then I don't see a need for them to fix non existing typos. In any case I think it is better to have a redlink than have a typo because 1. someone will see the red link and fix it 2. Some people will see the blue link with a typo and think it is correct. This is in line with the reasoning given here: "The redirect might cause confusion." Also, I disagree that Unreal technology, Unreal Engine Technology, and Unreal Engine technology are plausible search terms. Looking at Google Trends, it doesn't seem anyone is using these search terms. I'm not aware of any such term being used by reliable sources or unreal itself or really anyone at all using it. I certainly don't see why we need a redirect for a misspelling of a possible search term for this page. J2UDY7r00CRjH (talk) 03:00, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Meh on Draft:Vengeance Engine as drafts aren't indexed by search engines and it isn't in mainspace, don't care either way (side note: Vengeance Engine and Vengeance engine currently go different places which certainly shouldn't be the case), as well as Unreal Engine (game engine) as typically redirects from unnecessary disambiguation pages have a base title that could reasonably refer to more than one thing but the redirect certainly isn't harmful. Keep the rest as either alternative capitalizations or reasonable search terms. Tollens (talk) 04:29, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Good gods we have a mess with Vengeance Engine, don't we? Three redirects including the draftspace one, all of which go to different (and yet still plausible) targets. I think we need to have a separate discussion about how to clean it up, but I think I'll wait until this RfD is closed, at least as concerns the draftspace redirect. A read over the Vengeance engine target, Ghost Story Games, indicates that it's a continuation/successor to the Irrational Games target of Vengeance Engine, plus we have the section at Unreal Engine#Unreal Engine 2 and the split article Unreal Engine 2 all as candidates. Hamtechperson 17:41, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep all besides Draft:Vengeance Engine which is just a maintenance cleanup thing. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:42, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Template:Footer Olympic Champions C-1 Slalom
[edit]- Template:Footer Olympic Champions Men C-1 Slalom (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] →
It is unclear why this should redirect to Template:Footer Olympic Champions Men C-1 Slalom and not to Template:Footer Olympic Champions Women C-1 Slalom which is available since 2020. Ymblanter (talk) 14:46, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
Tax cuts for the rich
[edit]- Tax cuts for the rich → Trickle-down economics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Should probably be deleted as non-neutral and poorly matched. While "tax cuts for the rich" are sometimes promoted as a method of trickle-down economics, they really aren't the same concept. Redirecting to tax cut does not make a lot of sense either. Jruderman (talk) 09:56, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - it's neutral (and even if it wasn't, redirects don't have to be neutral) and summarises the article's lead well:
Trickle-down economics refers to economic policies that disproportionately favor the upper tier of the economic spectrum, comprising wealthy individuals
andMajor examples of what critics have called "trickle-down economics" in the U.S. include the Reagan tax cuts, the Bush tax cuts, and the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017. Major UK examples include Liz Truss's mini-budget tax cuts of 2022
. The article describes the topic as primarily tax cuts for rich people - it's a good redirect. BugGhost🦗👻 10:45, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Trickle-down economics is not the exact same thing as tax cuts for the wealthy. Should be deleted as forcing readers to follow a redirect to an irrelevant place, WP:SURPRISE applies. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:44, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Spend more money on public education
[edit]- Spend more money on public education → Education_in_the_United_States#Funding_for_K–12_schools (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Public schools are underfunded → Education_in_the_United_States#Funding_for_K–12_schools (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Underfunded school system → Education_in_the_United_States#Funding_for_K–12_schools (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Underfunded schools → Education_in_the_United_States#Funding_for_K–12_schools (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Crumbling schools → Education_in_the_United_States#Funding_for_K–12_schools (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Education crises → Education_in_the_United_States#Funding_for_K–12_schools (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Underfunded public schools → Education_in_the_United_States#Funding_for_K–12_schools (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Nominating to delete: unused, non-neutral redirects to a US-specific article. Wikipedia does not have a general article about "school funding"; neither Education policy nor Educational inequality nor List of countries by spending on education as percentage of GDP seem like good retargets. An identical redirect from "Underfunded public school system" was deleted in 2022. — Jruderman (talk) 09:35, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all None of these clearly refer to the United States, and don't make sense redirecting to a US-centric article. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:45, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all. None of these concepts are necessarily US-exclusive, and even then, a lot of these redirects sound like they have a level of bias. Best to delete them all. Steel1943 (talk) 23:10, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Roman Palestine (disambiguation)
[edit]- Roman Palestine (disambiguation) → Syria Palaestina (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Does not redirect a disambiguation page. This redirect has a complicated page history and might have attribution issues, and is therefore not eligible for WP:G14. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:23, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, not needed anymore, there is an article called Roman Palestine now. Selfstudier (talk) 10:44, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
Flesh engine
[edit]- Flesh engine → Unreal Engine#Unreal Engine 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Flesh Engine → Unreal Engine#Unreal Engine 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target, nor any other article as far as I can tell, and I can't seem to find anything online indicating that this exists. Tollens (talk) 08:04, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. If it's not mentioned in the target, and it doesn't refer to the target, the title sounds like something straight out of a horror film. Steel1943 (talk) 23:23, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Sharp Willcom D4
[edit]- Sharp Willcom D4 → Ultra-mobile PC (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Article was blanked and redirected, but target does not seem to mention this. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:17, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Revert and send to AfD per WP:BLAR. Thryduulf (talk) 18:04, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
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Shadow Mario
[edit]- Shadow Mario → List of Mario franchise characters#Bowser Jr. (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This redirect originally targeted Bowser Jr. before it was converted into a redirect to the current target, where it is not mentioned. Shadow Mario is a form of Bowser Jr. who appears in Super Mario Sunshine. Mia Mahey (talk) 02:49, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Super Mario Sunshine. If still not mentioned in the target I suggested, delete for now. 88.235.215.238 (talk) 05:32, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Super Mario Sunshine, where the subject is mentioned and plays a role in the game's plot. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 16:16, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Super Mario Sunshine since the subject is exclusive with that target, considering Bowser Jr. has been redirected. Steel1943 (talk) 23:25, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Washington, Maryland
[edit]- Washington, Maryland → Fort Washington, Maryland (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This error can plausibly refer to Fort Washington or Washington County, so delete and let the search results take care of it. Queen of Hearts talk 02:24, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Ambiguous. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 17:39, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate per the fact there are multiple topics. Steel1943 (talk) 22:52, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Yevhen Kholoniuk
[edit]- Yevhen Kholoniuk → 2011–12 figure skating season#Ice dance 4 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Subject does not appear in target article. Bgsu98 (Talk) 22:51, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
Once We Were Human
[edit]- Once We Were Human → Once Human (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not sure why this exists, all I get for results is a book on Amazon that has no Wikipedia page. It's not mentioned in the band page at all. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:42, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget - Retarget to Once Human (band). This site and this site both mention "Once We Were Human" as the old band name. BTW, Lauren Hart still directs to the Once Human disambiguation page. --Jax 0677 (talk) 21:47, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- See WP:R#DELETE #8. If you can find a reliable source that can be added to the article saying they were called that, then sure. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:59, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Reply - WP:CHEAP, both of those references are used on other Wikipedia pages, so either these are reliable, or the others need to be purged. --Jax 0677 (talk) 22:09, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- See WP:R#DELETE #8. If you can find a reliable source that can be added to the article saying they were called that, then sure. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:59, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
Coaster models
[edit]I believe I get what the creator was referring to when creating this redirect ... toy models of roller coasters. However, the phrasing of this redirect does not make that clear, considering that the word "toy" is nowhere in this redirect and the word Coaster is ambiguous. (In fact, Coaster makes it seem this redirect could refer to toy models of train track configurations?) Steel1943 (talk) 21:15, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Too overly vague - let the search function do its job instead of arbitrarily assuming people want X or Y. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:44, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
Gender-neutral games and toys
[edit]- Gender-neutral games and toys → Toy#Gender (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
About a day or so ago, sort of as a temporary measure until I could figure out a better course of action with this redirect, I had refined this redirect to Toy#Gender from Toy due to believing the base title not being adequate for explaining this redirect. However, I just realized that due to the fact the word "games" is in this redirect, the redirect's title seems to be an incorrect connection to its target due to potential WP:XY issues since the target is about toys and not games. At this point, I'm thinking deletion is the best option. Steel1943 (talk) 21:11, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
Children's games and toys
[edit]- Children's games and toys → Toy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Childrens' games and toys → Toy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete per WP:XY. Children's games is a redirect that targets List of children's games, an article about a different subject than the nominated redirects' current target. Steel1943 (talk) 21:06, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
Pet toy
[edit]Ambiguous. Could also refer to Chew toy. Steel1943 (talk) 21:02, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as ambiguous. As well as Chew toy, we have Dog toy and Cat toy, none of which are a more obvious target than the alternatives. Tevildo (talk) 15:26, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
Boy's games and toys and girl's games and toys
[edit]- Boy's games and toys and girl's games and toys → Toy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
WP:XY. Boys' toys and games and Girls' toys and games are separate articles. Steel1943 (talk) 21:00, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
Template:Db-empty-notice
[edit]- Template:Db-empty-notice → Template:Db-nocontent-notice (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
{{db-empty}} is a wrapper around both {{db-c1}} and {{db-a3}} so the notice shouldn't only apply to A3. Making a similar wrapper that chooses between {{subst:db-nocontent-notice}} and {{subst:db-catempty-notice}} should be possible but is not worth the effort so just delete. Nickps (talk) 19:18, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Turns out writting such a wrapper is as easy as copying {{db-empty}} and changing a few lines. I've already done it, so all that is needed now is to remove the redirect. Nickps (talk) 16:12, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
Live Photo
[edit]- Live Photo → Crispin Gurholt (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The Live Photo (iOS) meaning mentioned in the hatnote seems to be the prevalent one. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:06, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Seems to be? Do you have something to substantiate that? Perhaps in Olso or Berlin it's the other way around? No justifiable reason to delete. --Hammersoft (talk) 18:57, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Who suggested deletion? 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:39, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- You did. By saying this should point somewhere else, you are essentially advocating for deleting what it is now in favor of another. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:57, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- I didn't say this should point somewhere else, it might as well be disambiguated. The current meaning will not be deleted, it will stay with the addition of another one. 1234qwer1234qwer4 10:15, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- You did. By saying this should point somewhere else, you are essentially advocating for deleting what it is now in favor of another. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:57, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Who suggested deletion? 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:39, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate At the very least, there's no primary topic here. The artist is almost certainly not primary. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:46, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Assuming no primary topic, we can hatnote. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:57, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- No. 1234qwer1234qwer4 10:12, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, and we're back to proving what is primary and not, without supposition. --Hammersoft (talk) 12:27, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- No. 1234qwer1234qwer4 10:12, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Assuming no primary topic, we can hatnote. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:57, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
Mutual benefits
[edit]- Mutual benefits → Mutual aid (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Mutual benefits (disambiguation) → Mutual aid (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Mutual benefit → Mutual Benefit Life Insurance Company (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
"Mutual benefits" is not mentioned at the target article. The first redirect is a Neelix creation. The second redirect does not target a disambiguation page. The third is inappropriate at that capitalisation. I would delete them all. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:49, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Mutual benefits (disambiguation) since its target is not a title match.
Currently neutral about the others.Steel1943 (talk) 21:33, 20 July 2024 (UTC)- Delete all per below, now that I've had time to examine the others. "Mutual benefit(s)" is a rather vague phrase. Steel1943 (talk) 04:10, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all As overly vague and let the search function do its job as it's meant to. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:01, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all as misleading. The search function will turn up the insurance company if the person is searching for it. Softlavender (talk) 23:12, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
Template:Empty-warn
[edit]- Template:Empty-warn → Template:Db-nocontext-notice (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Confusing. Much like {{db-empty}}, one would expect it to refer to A3 or C1 but not A1 which explicitly does not apply to empty articles. Nickps (talk) 13:50, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak delete I agree its ambiguous due and I'd argue C1 is more likely as a category would be more likely to be considered to be empty because although its now possible to create an empty page (it never used to be) I wouldn't expect many articles to be created that are completely empty and blanking is often done when G7 ends up being the criteria used to delete. I'd also note that Template:Empty redirects to Template:Db-empty so I'd consider deleting them both. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:08, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- I think {{empty}} is just fine as is. {{db-empty}} wraps both {{db-a3}} and {{db-c1}} and chooses which to serve depending on the namespace so there is no ambiguity there. Nickps (talk) 19:15, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Reading your comment again, I hadn't thought of the G7 point. I guess there is an argument to be made for deletion but considering that {{db-empty}} is probably associated with A3 and C1, I'd be very hesitant to delete. Nickps (talk) 19:24, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- I think {{empty}} is just fine as is. {{db-empty}} wraps both {{db-a3}} and {{db-c1}} and chooses which to serve depending on the namespace so there is no ambiguity there. Nickps (talk) 19:15, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Template shortcuts are quite often ambiguous. Created in 2006, then redirected here in 2012. It is included as a link in {{User:Fuhghettaboutit/Toolbox}} (which is transcluded to many user pages). No need to take any action. Shortcuts have to be learned before use anyhow, and this only affects our editors (not our readers). Prefer a retarget over deletion (if it comes to that). — Godsy (TALKCONT) 10:07, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not convenced by this argument. It's alao confusing for editors to have db-empty refer to C1 and A3 but db-empty-notice refer to A1. Every other notice template is named after the CSD template it is used with but this one alone breaks the pattern. That still makes shortcuts more difficult to learn for our editors for no benefit since most of them would know that db-a1-notice is the notice to use along with db-a1. Nickps (talk) 10:23, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- I've since made {{subst:db-empty-notice}} behave identically to {{db-empty}}, that is, it returns {{subst:db-catempty-notice}} if a category is passed to it and {{subst:db-nocontent-notice}} in all other cases. So, assuming the db-empty-notice RfD closes as "disambiguate" between these two, we should retarget there Nickps (talk) 10:14, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Verlag für Sozialwissenschaften
[edit]- Verlag für Sozialwissenschaften → Springer Science+Business Media (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- VS Verlag für Sozialwissenschaften → Springer Science+Business Media (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These terms do not appear in the target article. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:33, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment It seems to be a sub-publisher of Springer Science+Business Media, that publishes German language sociology works according to this dewiki article. Ca talk to me! 15:51, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Those titles still do not appear anywhere in the article. Bgsu98 (Talk) 00:06, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Waiting for someone to add mention to the target article.
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Speedy Mouse
[edit]- Speedy Mouse → Ultra-Leicht Flugtechnik Speedy Mouse (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I searched it in Google, and most may refer to Speedy Gonzales. Should we retarget to Speedy Gonzales or make a disambiguation? 88.235.215.238 (talk) 06:32, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- I can get behind disambiguation. My google searches don't bring up either the current or suggested targets prominently though, I get a lot of mice that happen to be quick, particularly cat toys, and other random stuff. I do find hits for rollercoasters mentioned at Dream World (Thailand)#Dream Garden and Barry's Amusements#Former attractions though. Thryduulf (talk) 08:17, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
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Formicapunk
[edit]- Formicapunk → Cyberpunk derivatives#Cassette futurism/Formicapunk (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Cassette futurism → Cyberpunk derivatives#Cassette futurism/Formicapunk (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These terms do not appear in the target article. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:36, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. These terms referred to a section that was removed in April and had been tagged as unreferenced for nearly two years. - Eureka Lott 16:36, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Cassette futurism returns many results on Google, for example [4], and [5]. And besides, it looks like the target text has been restored, complete with references. The nowardays widely accepted term for this period of retro-futurism is most commonly referred to as Cassette Futurism, but the term Formicapunk has also been used (but it is not as widely used as Cassette Futurism). Formicapunk was used in the webcomic Bouletcorp by John Boulet. The original link is http://web.archive.org/web/20230623104540/https://bouletcorp.com/2011/07/07/formicapunk/ (this is an Internet archive version as the current URL doesn't work), but even so, google still brings up links to other pages that use that term. So I suspect that there are still some people out there who are aware of the term Formicapunk but not the term Cassette Fururism. But even so, I'd definitely keep the redirect for Cassette futurism, but I'm not so sure if Bouletcorp's Formicapunk cartoon is notable enough even though the term Formicapunk has taken a life of it's own. Ae-a (talk) 22:22, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete both Per WP:NEO. Seems to be an invention of TVTropes editors, and Wikipedia is not TVTropes. 80s-punk is undoubtedly a thing, but it's cited to Wikis and unreliable sources in an attempt to make the section appear merited. Until someone can come up with an actual source, it shouldn't be there. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:05, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia requested photographs in Lafayette Parish, Louisiana
[edit]- Wikipedia requested photographs in Lafayette Parish, Louisiana → Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Lafayette Parish, Louisiana (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unnecessary cross-namespace redirect. Rusalkii (talk) 05:45, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Thryduulf (talk) 10:53, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, unnecessary CNR. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:32, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Pion condensate
[edit]- Pion condensate → Chiral symmetry breaking#Nambu-Goldstone bosons (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in target page. Rusalkii (talk) 05:28, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
Angga Yunanda
[edit]- Angga Yunanda → Mermaid in Love (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This redirect of a non-notable Indonesian person that fails WP:NACTOR only appears in two notable roles. Also there are citing problems in previous versions does not rely on WP:BLP sources. 49.150.14.10 (talk) 03:29, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
Kiddie Pool
[edit]- Kiddie Pool → List of Robot Chicken episodes#Season 1 (2005) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
When most people search "Kiddie Pool" without additional context, they're probably not looking for an episode of a TV show. I propose retargeting to Swimming pool#Children's pools, which directly mentions the term. Zerbu 💬 02:44, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per nom; Kiddie pool already targets Swimming pool#Children's pools. Walsh90210 (talk) 03:30, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate per WP:DIFFCAPS and WP:DABMENTION. While the lower-case version unambiguously refers to swimming pools, the proper name could refer to several things. Disambiguation page drafted below the redirect. - Eureka Lott 03:48, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate as proposed by Eureka Lott. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 17:51, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Dabify per Eureka Lott. --Lenticel (talk) 08:47, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate using Eureka's draft. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:29, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
"Fax (hair)" and "Fax (head hair)"
[edit]- Fax (hair) → Hair (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Fax (head hair) → Hair (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The word "fax" is mentioned nowhere in the target article, leaving it unclear what these redirects are meant to refer to and/or define. The only other article on Wikipedia I can find that mentions such terms in context is John the Baptist, but with the way the term "fax" is used in that article pertaining to "hair", it makes it seem as though these nominated redirects are some sort of suffix. Steel1943 (talk) 22:39, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:RFOR, as Middle English might reasonably be considered a "foreign language". The word may be familiar to modern readers through Shadowfax, but the Wiktionary link from Fax (disambiguation) will cover this usage adequately. Tevildo (talk) 09:53, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I have added an etymology section to the page on Hair so it is now in the target article. Fax is attestated in modern English, not only Middle English, even if its usage has since become rare. Ingwina (talk) 10:02, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- In that case, my stance (I am the nominator) is changing to retarget Fax (hair) to Hair#Etymology but still delete Fax (head hair) since the "Etymology" section does not specify anything about "head" or "head hair". Steel1943 (talk) 19:20, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- This is from the page "The now broadly obsolete word "fax" refers specifically to head hair".
- I feel like if fax means hair, the word should redirect to the whole page - is there precedent for redirecting to the specific section mentioning the word if the word refers to the wider article? I don't have too strong views about this bit though - it just depends on the nuance of wikipedia policy to me! Ingwina (talk) 08:41, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- In that case, my stance (I am the nominator) is changing to retarget Fax (hair) to Hair#Etymology but still delete Fax (head hair) since the "Etymology" section does not specify anything about "head" or "head hair". Steel1943 (talk) 19:20, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
Mario Circuit
[edit]- Mario Circuit → Mario Kart (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in the target. Mia Mahey (talk) 21:38, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as track from game. mwwv converse∫edits 03:59, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- The reason it was reverted into a redirect is because it was completely unsourced. It should only return to being an article if reliable sources relating to it show that it is noteworthy enough to include on Wikipedia. SleepDeprivedGinger (talk) 11:14, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Revert to an article without prejudice to AfD per WP:BLAR. Thryduulf (talk) 12:58, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep. It should be trivially easy to find a source supporting inclusion in the target article. BD2412 T 03:08, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
Bolsover (borough)
[edit]- Bolsover (borough) → Bolsover District (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete, neither the current non-metropolitan district at Bolsover District nor the previous district Bolsover Urban District hold/have held borough status. Yes Google searches in quotes for "Bolsover Borough Council" will return results but the same is the case for "Braintree Borough Council" and "Harlow Borough Council". This is different to Chesterfield (borough) and Chesterfield Borough Council that go to Borough of Chesterfield that does have borough status along with the previous district Municipal Borough of Chesterfield. Its normal for districts that have borough status to have redirects from "Foo (district)" but not redirects for "Foo (borough)" when the district doesn't have borough status. Yes there are links to the redirect but they can be changed to the correct target and it appears to only have been at this title for a few weeks in 2004 when it was corrected and moved. Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:31, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Simply the result of an error I made briefly over a little over 20 years ago. Seems entirely reasonable to delete. Morwen (talk) 00:10, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Given the internet hits for "Bolover borough" and "Borough of Bolsover" this is a common enough error to merit a {{R from incorrect name}} redirect. See e.g page 11 of this PDF where the local Conservative Party calls it "Borough of Bolsover". We educate people making this sort of mistake by taking them to the content they are looking for that explains the correct situation rather than making them jump through hoops to find it. Thryduulf (talk) 08:04, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as an attested error that someone might search. The existence of the redirect will correct them effectively enough. Fieari (talk) 00:14, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
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Guillermo Vilas: Settling the Score
[edit]- Guillermo Vilas: Settling the Score → Lists of Netflix original films (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not sure what to do about this one. The subject exists (per third party searches) and is linked at List of Netflix original films (2020) in the list of film released that year. But ... the fact that this title is a redirect and not an article seems to validate WP:REDYES deletion. However, the subject of this redirect is mentioned twice in the biographical article about its subject, Guillermo Vilas: Once in the last paragraph of the article's top section, and once in the last paragraph of Guillermo Vilas#ATP ranking No. 1 controversy. I am not sure if either of these targets are viable retargeting options for this redirect, or if the redirect should be deleted to promote the creation of an article (though my preference here is deletion.) Steel1943 (talk) 21:37, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Steel1943: I am skeptical of the value of red links in prompting article creation. I think it's better to have a red link than no link at all, where an article can potentially be written, but better to have a redirect than a red link where the article is really unlikely to actually be written. The ultimate end question is what best serves the reader looking for information on the subject. BD2412 T 23:06, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
Bigflo & Oli: Hip Hop Frenzy
[edit]- Bigflo & Oli: Hip Hop Frenzy → Lists of Netflix original films (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not sure what to do about this one. The subject exists (per third party searches) and is linked at List of Netflix original films (2020) in the list of film released that year. But ... the fact that this title is a redirect and not an article seems to validate WP:REDYES deletion. In addition, the article for the group mentioned in the title of his redirect, Bigflo & Oli, seems to make no mention or reference of the subject of this redirect anywhere in that article. Steel1943 (talk) 21:35, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
Running with Sherman (film)
[edit]- Running with Sherman (film) → Lists of Netflix original films (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Yet another story which Netflix bought the rights in 2019 to create a film, but nothing came out of it since. The base title Running with Sherman is a redirect that targets Christopher McDougall#Works (after I retargeted it last month), the article about the author of the "Running with Sherman" story, but that article contains no information about a film adaptation of the "Running with Sherman" story. Steel1943 (talk) 21:28, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
Lady Business (film)
[edit]- Lady Business (film) → Lists of Netflix original films (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Seems this was a story which Netflix bought the rights in 2019 with the intent to make a film, but it does not seem as though the film ever went into production. Also, it seems the film was to star Brie Larson; online searches for the "Lady Business" turn up nothing at the present time 5 years later ... well, while also distinguishing that the "Lady Business" film is a subject separate from Unicorn Store. Steel1943 (talk) 20:41, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. If anyone else thinks this feels familiar, you're probably (like me) thinking of Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 11#Lady Business, which turns out to be unrelated, although if this is to become an article the parenthetical will not be needed. Thryduulf (talk) 11:02, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
VSTA
[edit]- VSTA → Visual Studio Tools for Applications (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I have just created VSTA (disambiguation), and while I would grant that the current redirect target is the most popular target directly using this acronym, I lean towards thinking that there is no primary target, and the disambiguation should be moved over the redirect. BD2412 T 19:49, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom --Lenticel (talk) 03:23, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
AlphaDeltaNationalFraternity
[edit]Return to the Palace
[edit]Pokemon generations 5
[edit]- Pokemon generations 5 → Pokémon (video game series)#Fifth generation (2010–2013) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
implausible pluralization? if kept, i'll be retargeting to the gen 5 games regardless of result cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:45, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Don't delete Seems plausible. Readers might see the "5" and think generation should be pluralized. Ca talk to me! 02:33, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
Misty Williams
[edit]- Misty Williams → Misty (Pokémon) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
same rationale as below, different character, wrong surname (apparently, results seem torn between williams and waterflower) cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:16, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
Brock Harrison
[edit]- Brock Harrison → Brock (Pokémon) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
i do not want to elaborate on how many layers of obscure fanon this is, so i hope the explanation can begin and end at "that's fanmade" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:13, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment there's apparently an old interview featuring Brock's VA where he mentions this information, but it seems pretty trivial regardless. Linking the archived link of the interview that I could find, but admittedly I'm not sure if this would sway anything either way. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 18:27, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- ...huh. won't debate the canonicity of that (debatable as its canonicity is, see word of saint paul on tv tropes), but i will suggest not risking adding it to avoid enabling that side of the pokémon fandom fanfic fandom cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 01:15, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
PKMN R
[edit]- PKMN R → Pokémon Red, Blue, and Yellow (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
what about pokémon ruby? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:01, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
Cianwood Island
[edit]- Cianwood Island → Pokémon Gold and Silver#Setting (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
the island does not have a proper name. it's just "cianwood city" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:00, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
Cianwood City (Cianwood Island)
[edit]- Cianwood City (Cianwood Island) → Pokémon Gold and Silver#Setting (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
are there any cianwood cities this could be mistaken for? more importantly, the island it's in isn't actually known as "cianwood island" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:57, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
PKMN SS
[edit]- PKMN SS → Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
has it been agreed that sword and shield will always be abbreviated as "swsh", or could this be dabified? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:51, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. For some reason, this abbreviation makes me think of the ship in Red, Blue, and Yellow (probably because of the use of "SS"). Probably best to just delete this thing. Steel1943 (talk) 15:08, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- I first thought it referred to the ship in Pikmin. Ca talk to me! 02:37, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
HeartSilver and GoldSoul
[edit]- HeartSilver and GoldSoul → Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
that's actually pretty funny and almost a plausible mistake, but they're not even consistently named. one is mind thing/metal and the other is metal/mind thing. more than anything, i vote to delete this as aesthetically painful cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:45, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Plausible mix-up; readers may not realize that
one is mind thing/metal and the other is metal/mind thing
. The adjectives (as a non-pokemon fan) seem arbitrary to me, and I can see myselft making this mistake. Ca talk to me! 02:36, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
Pokémon DuskGold and DawnSilver
[edit]- Pokémon DuskGold and DawnSilver → Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Dusk Silver → Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Dawn Gold → Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
i wanted to argue that they were development names, fan speculation, or something, but that doesn't seem to be the case. best case scenario, they were the names of rom hacks or bootlegs, but i only found deviantart ocs cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:41, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- the names aren't even consistent with each other, why cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:49, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
Galar
[edit]- Galar → Pokémon Sword and Shield#Setting (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
there's apparently at 2 more things with this name, but i'm mostly concerned about fjalar and galar, the smartness juice guys from norse mythology. is this worth a dab or hatnote, or is this specific galar a primary as h*ck topic? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:26, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Create disambiguation page there are several Galars that are pretty notable subjects (The main location of a high selling videogame, a figure in Norse mythology, a town in Spain, a village in Wales, and apparently a redirect at Bahnar language) All of these are pretty important subjects, and I can't see which one would be the primary topic. I feel a DAB page would very much be helpful here given the number of things that have the name Galar. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 18:30, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Dabify due to multiple potential targets --Lenticel (talk) 12:17, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate Per others, no obvious primary topic. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:22, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate: Seems like the best option. C F A 💬 18:28, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
200 (song)
[edit]- 200 (song) → Becoming a Pop Star (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The song is actually not a primary topic. So, I suggest a retarget to 200 (disambiguation) since I added 2 songs to this disambiguation. 88.235.215.238 (talk) 14:21, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
M-Block
[edit]'m (or 'm block) is a glitch pokémon that shares missingno's "sprite", index number, and some functions, but is otherwise a different glitch. it's not mentioned in the article aside from an offhanded mention in the translation for source 1 cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:15, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. AFAIK we don't discuss the 'M glitch in any other capacity, the most common method of finding MissingNo will also turn up 'M, and it doesn't just copy SOME functions, but PRACTICALLY ALL functions. For our intents and purposes, 'M and MissingNo. are the same thing and should be treated accordingly by redirects. Leave further details to Glitch City Labs and Bulbapedia. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 23:33, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- for pedantries that would border on fancruft if there weren't actually a couple of sources behind them...
- missingno (the form everyone recognizes, that is) can be obtained via the old man and mew glitches and the time capsule exploit with certain names, special stats, and gen 2 pokémon respectively, adds 128 items to the item in the 6rd slot of the player's bag, and corrupts hall of fame data
- 'm (specifically 00, as fe and ff are just hybrids) can only be obtained via the old man glitch and shares missingno's sprite, item cloning, and hall of fame corruption as a result of sharing its index number, but has (slightly) different data, such as moves and cries, can evolve into clefairy or kangaskhan, and lets you catch phantom ditto. according to some old stuff i found, it can also apparently spontaneously turn into a rhydon if you have another 'm in your party
- from a quick-ish look, those two sources mention 'm and its differences compared to missingno in some level of detail, an archive of the latter currently being source 9 in missingno's article, so if a mention could be added or discussed, i wouldn't be opposed to it cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:41, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Lunamann.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 03:59, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 10:42, 19 July 2024 (UTC)- i was going to suggest it in the talk page right after this closed, guess i'll have to wait another week cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:21, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
Pokémon incident
[edit]- Pokémon incident → Dennō Senshi Porygon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
extremely vague. requires that "pokémon" and "incident" be defined in a way that somehow narrows it down to only this particular episode of the anime generation that also featured jynx and hypno, while excluding every other controversy the franchise has seen cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:42, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- should mention that i would favor retargeting it to an article or section of an article detailing most controversies, no such thing exists (yet). the closest i found was pokémon episodes removed from rotation, but even then, that's only for the anime cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:48, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as far too vague. When seeing the title I assumed it was some sort of (political) scandal or other real-world incident related to Pokémon in some way. A politician making a gaffe and exposing their ignorance while trying to appear to be a "man of the people" or something like that would have been my first guess. Thryduulf (talk) 17:30, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- isn't that the plot of swsh cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:33, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- I wouldn't have a clue! I've never watched, read or played Pokémon. Thryduulf (talk) 20:53, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- isn't that the plot of swsh cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:33, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - contrary to the above (and a whiny fan base) this is by far the most consequential incident related to the series. This actually ahead real world implications, that reliable sources wrote articles about. Sergecross73 msg me 23:54, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as WP:PTOPIC. This incident was/is overwhelmingly more impactful than any other. Fieari (talk) 00:12, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Weak delete - It certainly was a "pokémon incident", probably the biggest one, but it doesn't really go by the name "pokémon incident". Googling "pokémon incident" does lead to lots of reference to this event, but also to other unrelated events. It could also reasonably relate to Pokémon Go to the polls, which is pretty much exactly the hypothetical poltician gaffe scenario that @Thryduulf: dreamt up (see this and this for more details). BugGhost🦗👻 12:05, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe a disambiguation between:
- But I'm not sure if there's enough traffic to Pokémon incident to warrant this disambiguation. BugGhost🦗👻 12:12, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- at this point, i'm gonna change my vote to a strong listify (preferrably with a different name), since there's also the 80 quadrillion times the franchise was accused of being satanic, and the 0 times it was accused of being satanic because of giratina cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:53, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak delete per the ambiguity of this redirect caused by the existence of a list of incidents at Pokémon Go#Criticism and incidents. Not saying the current target is not notable, but it's not the only notable "incident" related to Pokémon. Steel1943 (talk) 15:37, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
Biographies of living persons
[edit]- Biographies of living persons → Biography (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This should be a CNR to WP:BLP. All of the 304 links to this redirect are in reference to the Wikipedia policy, rather than the Biography article. It seems unlikely that anyone searching for this would be looking for the encyclopedic article, especially considering the term is never mentioned. It was retarted to Biography from a CNR in 2009. C F A 💬 18:34, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I suppose this could also be retargeted to an encyclopedia article about Wikipedia, like Wikipedia#Policies_and_content, Vandalism on Wikipedia, or List of Wikipedia controversies (Wikipedia Seigenthaler biography incident), though a project redirect would make the most sense in my eyes. C F A 💬 18:47, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget (or add encyclopaedic content) This is a very high profile policy that does get referenced frequently off-site so I'm surprised we don't have some encyclopaedic content about it that could host a hatnote to the policy, although finding sources will be tricky due to the large number of Wikipedia mirrors and many other sites that have policies/guidelines with the same title. If we don't have encyclopaedic content then a cross-namespace redirect is the way to go - this is something that needs to be very easy to find, particularly by prospective editors and article subjects who shouldn't have to learn about namespaces first. Thryduulf (talk) 20:50, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- I was wondering if there would be enough coverage to write a separate article on the policy. I found it surprising that even the Policies and content section in the main Wikipedia article only briefly mentioned the policy (in reference to the Wikipedia Seigenthaler biography incident). If someone is willing to do that and they can find enough coverage, then that (with a hatnote) would be my preferred outcome over retargeting. C F A 💬 21:09, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Its not really a Wikipedia specific term but all Google results are for the policy. Maybe it should be kept as with a link on the DAB page to the BLP policy as well as the current MOS page. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:23, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- That's what I was considering doing before listing it here, but I decided against it. Do you really think anyone typing "Biographies of living persons" into the search bar is looking for Biography? It is obviously directly referencing the policy and the term isn't even mentioned in the article. C F A 💬 03:48, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete promotes incorrect linkage, and making a CNR would not be for readership content. -- 65.92.247.96 (talk) 03:46, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per WP:RETURNTORED. There's no way BLP isn't notable and we should really have some encyclopedic content about it. Nickps (talk) 19:39, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete unless an alternative article space target is found. Biographies are about people, but not all biographies are about living people. (And, morbidly enough, all biographies in existence today will eventually all not be about living people...) Steel1943 (talk) 22:56, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I notified WT:WPWP of this discussion Nickps (talk) 22:42, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- I searched around a bit, and I do not think there is enough in the way of external sources covering this to support an article. Perhaps an article could be written on Wikipedia policies and guidelines, with a section on BLP. BD2412 T 23:04, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. There's no justification for a WP:CNR: "most newly created cross-namespace redirects from the main (article) namespace to the Wikipedia (project) namespace should be deleted, ... very old ones might retain their value for extra-Wikipedia links" (not inter-Wikipedia links). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:00, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
Skeltal
[edit]that's the "doot" meme. doesn't seem like a plausible misspelling of "skeletal" otherwise, as e is just close enough to t where it'd be hard to forget to type one letter cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:09, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: per WP:CHEAP. C F A 💬 19:02, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Skeltal is a variant name of a popular internet meme [6]. Our article on skeleton lack information about this meme, neither do any other article. The intro of WP:REDIRECT, a guideline says
Redirects are used to help people arrive more quickly at the page they want to read
. A generic article about skeletons are not what readers would want to see when they are searching about a meme. Ca talk to me! 05:41, 12 July 2024 (UTC)- It seems pretty obscure. I doubt there's enough coverage to write an article on it, but I suppose someone could try. I imagine most people searching "Skeltal" on Wikipedia are looking for "Skeletal," which is also a redirect to Skeleton. C F A 💬 15:01, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Skeltal is a variant name of a popular internet meme [6]. Our article on skeleton lack information about this meme, neither do any other article. The intro of WP:REDIRECT, a guideline says
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One PIece
[edit]that's an uppercase i cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:54, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: per WP:CHEAP. C F A 💬 19:02, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Implausible misspelling. Our search function automatically handles different capitalizations. I tend to agree that effort of listing redirects with minor errors can be used elsewhere, but we might as well delete them as they are listed to reduce maintance work for useless redirects. Ca talk to me! 05:47, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- WEak keep per sticky shift key typo error, a very plausible sort of error you see in online forums all the time. -- 65.92.247.96 (talk) 08:40, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. Highly unlikely someone is going to capitalize the "i" in "Piece" but not the "n" in "One". In addition, this redirect should not be linked in articles. Also, if this redirect is deleted, trying to search "One PIece" in Wikipedia's search function will return One Piece. Deletion of this redirect seems to have more benefits than harm. Steel1943 (talk) 22:53, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
Suiattle tribe
[edit]- Suiattle tribe → Sauk-Suiattle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete. No links to this redirect, and I can't see anything ever linking to this. Given that "Suiattle" has almost no literature (independent from the Sauk-Suiattle or Sauk themselves), and as far as I am aware, they weren't a tribe, but just a term that referred to people who would traditionally go to the Suiattle River during the summer gathering season in pre-colonial times, I can't forsee this ever being necessary as a redirect. PersusjCP (talk) 01:40, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - The primary purpose of a redirect is not to catch links within wikipedia, but to assist users searching for the topic. The target article, in the lead, says that Sauk-Suiattle is a tribe, which makes it plausible enough that someone would search for either "Sauk tribe" or "Suiattle tribe" regardless of the technical accuracy of those search terms. A redirect is not an endorsement of fact or accuracy, just a search aid. Fieari (talk) 03:25, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- That makes sense, thank you for explaining! PersusjCP (talk) 20:03, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Fieari. Thryduulf (talk) 09:09, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: reasonable search term. No reason to delete. C F A 💬 14:56, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per above --Lenticel (talk) 05:45, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
Heartless Angel
[edit]- Heartless Angel → Sephiroth (Final Fantasy) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
a recurring attack for sephiroth in a lot of his appearances since his debut... but also for kefka. if both appear in a playable or boss form in any given game, heartless angel tends to go to whoever pops up first, which is usually kefka. if you want to be technical, sephiroth gets it more often overall because he gets more appearances, but results seem to associate it equally with both (give or take sephiroth being mentioned more often overall). even then, heartless angel isn't mentioned in either of their articles. if not deleted, i don't know if it should be kept there or retargeted to kefka, to final fantasy#gameplay, or to recurring elements in the final fantasy series#gameplay, because it'd be hard to cram an unsourced mention (or worse, a mention with a guide as the source) into those otherwise good or featured articles cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:16, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment - Soooo... the move gets a "kind of" mention in Kefka's article, as "Fallen Angel", although the actual Woolsey translation rendered it in game as "Fallen One" on the SNES (as can be confirmed by looking up a playthrough on youtube). This is the move that got commentary from a reliable source, and was worth the mention in the article. Now, I believe you're probably right that it's been updated in newer versions/releases of the game to Heartless Angel, as the Final Fantasy fandom wiki uses that term, but it doesn't seem to have garnered any commentary in reliable sources. Google, on the other hand, shows overwhelming preference to linking the term with Sephiroth instead of Kefka, likely due to the relative popularity of FFVII over FFVI... except that most if not all of these hits I'm finding are not from WP:RS. Which leaves us in the awkward position where there's clear analysis that would be interesting to discuss... that we can't use because none of it has gone through editorial publishing processes. I can't decide whether that means we should delete the redirect because we don't really have information on exactly it under that name, redirect to Kefka because the thing this redirect refers to IS directly named and described there... except under a different name (which is even incorrect, despite being published in a WP:RS!), or to keep the redirect because usage online clearly prefers Sephiroth as the WP:PTOPIC even though we don't and probably can't mention it there! Fieari (talk) 02:26, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- The fact that the Kefka article mentioned "Fallen Angel" as the name of the move bothered me enough that I added an endnote with the correction, and a mention to the renaming of it to Heartless Angel. Not sure if this is the best way to go about it, but surely the primary source material can be used just for a correction of this sort. Fieari (talk) 03:17, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- at this point, i'd say nuke it until a reliable source decides to cover the attack (and actually get the name right)
- also yeah, i did say results preferred sephiroth, because ff7 is the only final fantasy game people can remember the existence of for more than 15 seconds. coverage of final fantasy elements kind of sucks tbh cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:14, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
Magical underwear
[edit]- Magical underwear → Temple garment (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Magic underwear → Temple garment (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I belive this redirect should be deleated. This redirect is inappropriate and offensive, often leading to confusion. In addition please see Magic underwear. The term 'magical underwear' is frequently used as an insult rather than in an academic or educational context. In addition the originial creater of the redirect was banned for valdisimilm, see his user page [7]. LuxembourgLover (talk) 23:30, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Redirects are allowed to violate WP:NPOV, and even be offensive, as they are generally not user visible. I appreciate your concern, as no one likes things that are special to them insulted... I get it. But the term is used out there in the wild often enough that someone wanting to learn more about it, even in a respectful way, may not have any other knowledge of how to find it except this insult that gets used a lot... and towards that end the redirect may end up doing a lot more good than harm to you anyway. Fieari (talk) 23:53, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, it is definitely a term that people use to refer to it, probably even moreso than "temple garment." Google trends shows that "magic underwear" or "mormon magic underwear" is more popular of a search term than "temple garment"[8] so it checks out. The Ngram viewer shows that "temple garment" is winning, but that makes sense as it is the more academic term, as you said. PersusjCP (talk) 02:01, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The redirect Magic underwear was tagged, but never added to the nomination. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:06, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep these are both well-attested and unambiguous. Per WP:RNEUTRAL redirects from established non-neutral search terms to neutrally written articles are allowed and often a good thing - if someone doesn't know or doesn't remember the proper name we want to make it easy for them to find the content that tells them about it. Thryduulf (talk) 09:00, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
User:Carlinal/Favorite quality articles
[edit]Kit 2
[edit]- Kit 2 → Tomahawk (missile family) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
deletion, due to no article linking to this redirect. D4n2016 (talk) 21:39, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Articles linking to redirects is not the primary purpose of redirects-- the primary purpose is to help readers find the information they are looking for, such as by typing it into the search bar. If someone is looking for information on the "Kit 2", this article has that information. Fieari (talk) 23:44, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - BGM-109 Tomahawk has been recently moved to Tomahawk (missile family) so we should update to avoid the double-redirect. ⇒SWATJester Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 01:40, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Ah, good catch! I should have noticed that. Yeah, update it to avoid the double redirect. Fieari (talk) 02:42, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- I have now fixed the double redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 22:16, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Ah, good catch! I should have noticed that. Yeah, update it to avoid the double redirect. Fieari (talk) 02:42, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
Stun ray
[edit]- Stun ray → Weapons in science fiction (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The subject of the redirect is not mentioned in the target article, leaving it unclear what subject this redirect is meant to define. From a preliminary search of Wikipedia, it seems this redirect is mentioned nowhere. Steel1943 (talk) 21:21, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak retarget to stun gun, which mentions the current target. Hesitant because 'stun weapons' are not really described at that target. Might be better to return this to red for now. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 21:56, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - I'm legitimately befuddled that this isn't mentioned and discussed in detail at the target article, given how much a staple it is in sci-fi. Making a character sleep without actually hurting them is just such a USEFUL thing for a writer to be able to do, that even in non-scifi works you get things like that one punch that harmlessly KOs you, or chloroform, or a sleeping drug or whatever. In sci-fi, they definitely use stun guns all the time, from Star Wars to Star Trek and beyond. It's a trope for a reason. Normally, when I feel like article creation should be encouraged I !vote delete to redlink it, but here, I don't think it deserves its own article at all... I just think it should be included in this one. Err... not that I'm volunteering to write it though. Not sure what to do in this situation. Fieari (talk) 23:15, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Raygun - it's a scifi weapon that shoots rays, that mentions stunning:
A wide range of non-lethal functions as determined by the requirements of the story: for instance, they may stun, paralyze or knock down a target, much like modern electroshock weapons.
. BugGhost🦗👻 12:26, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
Jerry Temporary
[edit]- Jerry Temporary → Temporary Secretary (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
a misremembering of the song's name that became a siivagunner meme. not mentioned in the target or notable on its own, BUT it might actually be a plausible search, as it's ironically become a common misremembering later on (or siiva is just that influential on public musical knowledge, it's hard to tell). opinions? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:03, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - I don't know who siivagunner is but googling the phrase "Jerry Temporary" comes up with lots of Temporary Secretary hits. Redirects are cheap, if it helps someone get to the right article then it's worth keeping (and it get a lot more hits than most things on RfD). BugGhost🦗👻 13:02, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
VF2
[edit]There is also Vanadium(II) fluoride and the vf2 algorithm from Graph_isomorphism#Recognition_of_graph_isomorphism. 1234qwer1234qwer4 10:41, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate per 1234. 88.235.215.238 (talk) 11:06, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 17:11, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate. Draft provided. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:55, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
Andy youre a star
[edit]This redirect is misspelled, it should be "Andy, You're a Star". Correct spelling already exists. Apollogetticax|talk 08:03, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep, seems harmless. 1234qwer1234qwer4 10:42, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
Distribution Center Management System
[edit]- Distribution Center Management System → Distribution center management system (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Redirect should replace the target article so it uses title-case spelling. Article is about a specific proprietary system, not the general concept; the sentence-case spelling can redirect to Warehouse management system, which is the general concept. Tule-hog (talk) 06:33, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
Bigrigs
[edit]- Bigrigs → Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
i think it should be retargeted, but should it be to semi-trailer truck, or to big rig (disambiguation)? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:34, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Semi-trailer truck: Since this is the primary topic, it would serve readers best to redirect here. voorts (talk/contributions) 20:36, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment in my searches, the primary topic is actually Big Rigs, an Australian magazine that at first glance might be notable (I've not looked deeper than that) but which doesn't have an article. The semi-truck page does have a hatnote to the dab page, which lists the video game prominently however that is two clicks rather than none. Thryduulf (talk) 02:10, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment on a related note, I've just created Bigrig as a redirect to Bigrigg (a village in the UK) and added a hatnote to the truck and dab page, but I debated with myself which target is best so feel free to discuss if you think I made the wrong choice. Thryduulf (talk) 02:10, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- REtarget "bigrigs" and "bigrig" to Semi-trailer truck, as the primary topic. In North America, no Australian magazine would ever come up, since the truck is what is meant -- 65.92.247.96 (talk) 08:45, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nothing about Wikipedia or "Bigrigs" is inherently North American. Thryduulf (talk) 11:40, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Semi-trailer truck solely due to the fact that Big rig and Big rigs target Semi-trailer truck and making the connections a best effort to reduce astonishment upon arriving at any specific target. (If need be though, I am weak disambiguate upon reading the regional discrepancies of English with the terms.) Steel1943 (talk) 21:24, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Semi-trailer truck as WP:PTOPIC. It's what the term actually means, after all, even in the current target. I don't believe the Australian Magazine is even close in terms of being searched for, no dab is needed here. Not even sure a hatnote would be warranted, but I wouldn't object to one outright. Fieari (talk) 23:20, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget Bigrigs to semi-trailer truck as per above. Keep Bigrig going to Bigrigg. BugGhost🦗👻 13:08, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Using Search tells us there's only 2 legitimate mentions of this term and they're both for the Australian magazine, for which we don't have an article. We shouldn't randomly guess what a Searcher wants. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:46, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
Super Smash Bros. 6
[edit]- Super Smash Bros. 6 → Super Smash Bros. Ultimate (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- SSB 6 → Super Smash Bros. Ultimate (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- SSB6 → Super Smash Bros. Ultimate (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in the target. No information about a video game named Super Smash Bros. 6 exists in the target article or in Super Smash Bros. Mia Mahey (talk) 22:30, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- delete as wrong. ultimate is the 5st installment cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 22:45, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Cogsan see below. Some call it the sixth. Not arguing that's correct, but it's plausible at least. Sergecross73 msg me 23:04, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- that's if you ignore the fact that smash for 3ds and that other console are both commonly referred to as "sm4sh", and clumped together as two different flavors of the same installment by pretty much everyone less pedantic than me. ironically, nintendo considers them to be separate, but even the article reduces that to note c, accompanied by "but who cares about those guys, most sources say they're both smash 4" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:25, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- None of that changes that its a plausible search term, with sourcing and notes to clear up confusion. Again, I'm not saying its the sixth title. I'm not arguing anyone should think that. I'm saying its a plausible redirect because some people think that, and some sources outline it. Sergecross73 msg me 13:19, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- that's if you ignore the fact that smash for 3ds and that other console are both commonly referred to as "sm4sh", and clumped together as two different flavors of the same installment by pretty much everyone less pedantic than me. ironically, nintendo considers them to be separate, but even the article reduces that to note c, accompanied by "but who cares about those guys, most sources say they're both smash 4" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:25, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Cogsan see below. Some call it the sixth. Not arguing that's correct, but it's plausible at least. Sergecross73 msg me 23:04, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - it is the sixth entry in the Smash Bros if you consider the 3DS and Wii versions separate games, which some developers/sources do. Sergecross73 msg me 23:02, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- The target does not state that it is the sixth entry in the series instead of the fifth. This redirect will be misleading when a sixth Super Smash Bros. game is released. Mia Mahey (talk) 23:27, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- A reliably sourced mention of how some consider it the sixth entry could be very easily implemented. Additionally, there's no need to right now future-proof the article for a future game that hasn't even been announced to exist yet. Sergecross73 msg me 23:51, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- People searching for Super Smash Bros. 6 are most likely looking for information on a successor of Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. No information on such game exists in the target article, or for that matter, anywhere on Wikipedia, so the redirect is harmful and should be deleted per WP:COSTLY. Mia Mahey (talk) 00:57, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- I strongly disagree with that notion. Why would people be searching for an unannounced game that currently isn't know to exist with this search term? And if someone was knowledgeable enough to use a relatively rare search term like "Smash Bros 6" in a search bar, they'd be knowledgeable enough to understand what Smash Bros Ultimate is. So your confusion scenario feels rather far fetched to me, I don't know what sort of person this would apply to. Doubly so since I've maintained the Ultimate page since its inception and thus has not been a common issue. Sergecross73 msg me 02:34, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Usually only major video games in a series are numbered, and Super Smash Bros. Ultimate is only the fifth major Super Smash Bros. game. If Super Smash Bros. 6 redirects to Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, on the basis of the 3DS and Wii U releases being treated as separate games, I think we should probably also have Mario Kart 9 redirect to Mario Kart 8#Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, which we don't and we shouldn't. Mia Mahey (talk) 04:51, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- by that logic, which one would be 5 anyway? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:11, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- This is irrelevant. There's never been any discussion or consensus that Mario Kart is handling it correctly either, so it's no standard to aspire to. It's just an WP:OSE-violating comparison. Sergecross73 msg me 13:17, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Usually only major video games in a series are numbered, and Super Smash Bros. Ultimate is only the fifth major Super Smash Bros. game. If Super Smash Bros. 6 redirects to Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, on the basis of the 3DS and Wii U releases being treated as separate games, I think we should probably also have Mario Kart 9 redirect to Mario Kart 8#Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, which we don't and we shouldn't. Mia Mahey (talk) 04:51, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- I strongly disagree with that notion. Why would people be searching for an unannounced game that currently isn't know to exist with this search term? And if someone was knowledgeable enough to use a relatively rare search term like "Smash Bros 6" in a search bar, they'd be knowledgeable enough to understand what Smash Bros Ultimate is. So your confusion scenario feels rather far fetched to me, I don't know what sort of person this would apply to. Doubly so since I've maintained the Ultimate page since its inception and thus has not been a common issue. Sergecross73 msg me 02:34, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- People searching for Super Smash Bros. 6 are most likely looking for information on a successor of Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. No information on such game exists in the target article, or for that matter, anywhere on Wikipedia, so the redirect is harmful and should be deleted per WP:COSTLY. Mia Mahey (talk) 00:57, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- A reliably sourced mention of how some consider it the sixth entry could be very easily implemented. Additionally, there's no need to right now future-proof the article for a future game that hasn't even been announced to exist yet. Sergecross73 msg me 23:51, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- The target does not state that it is the sixth entry in the series instead of the fifth. This redirect will be misleading when a sixth Super Smash Bros. game is released. Mia Mahey (talk) 23:27, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Super Smash Bros for 3DS and Super Smash Bros for Wii U are both Smash 4, and neither are Smash 5. They did release on separate days, with Wii U being released after 3DS, but they were released literally two months apart, were clearly developed together, and they have several methods of transferring data between the two platforms; it's highly probable that they only released separately due to delays. They also share a Wikipedia page, shared advertising space, pretty much everywhere you go they're talked about as one unit instead of two separate games-- much like, for example, Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Blue Rescue Team and Red Rescue Team, another instance of one game with two names on two different Nintendo consoles with different capabilities. (If you throw out the 'two different consoles' thing, pretty much any first-of-the-gen Pokemon game in the history of ever, from Pokemon Red and Blue all the way to Pokémon Scarlet and Violet are examples of this in action. (Like, what, are you saying that Pokémon Emerald is Pokemon 13 or something???) Because of this, Smash Ultimate is clearly Smash 5, and thus, Smash 6 would logically be the next entry of the series after Smash Ultimate, a game that does not exist. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 18:45, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- no, let's make it worse
- red + green (jp) > blue (jp) > stadium (jp) > yellow > red + blue (not jp) > hey you, pikachu > tcg (game boy) > snap > pinball > "stadium" (actually stadium 2) > gold + silver > dance! pikachu > puzzle challenge > puzzle league > "stadium 2" (actually stadium gold and silver) > crystal > pikachu's great surfing adventure > tcg 2 > crayon kids > party mini > zany cards > pinball mini > puzzle collection > tetris > breeder mini (wait what) > puzzle collection vol. 2 > race mini > catch the numbers > pichu bros. mini > togepi's great adventure > ruby + sapphire > box r&s > channel > pinball r&s > channel > pinball r&s > some hiragana and katakana education game > colosseum > firered + leafgreen > pico for everyone > emerald
- thus, emerald is the 46nd installment in the pokémon franchise, or the 14st mainline installment cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:20, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Is that jan Misali reference I'm seeing? :D Ca talk to me! 01:09, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- a what cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:22, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm getting into WP:NOTFORUM territory, but they published a video exploring a similar question but for Super Mario mainline series. Ca talk to me! 06:38, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- oh, that one. my dumb brain forgot it wasn't from summoning salt. whoops cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:35, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm getting into WP:NOTFORUM territory, but they published a video exploring a similar question but for Super Mario mainline series. Ca talk to me! 06:38, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- a what cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:22, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Again, you're both arguing what's "correct" instead of arguing what's plausible. Whether it's the correct numbering is irrelevant. Some people (not me) believe it to be true, and the alternative is a game that doesn't even exist. We don't need to future proof for scenarios that may not ever even happen. It can be easily and quickly fixed as things potentially change someday. Sergecross73 msg me 00:55, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Is that jan Misali reference I'm seeing? :D Ca talk to me! 01:09, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Super Smash Bros.#2015–2021: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate - only mention of "Smash Bros. 6" on Wikipedia is from that article, talking about a Bandai Namco recruitment page stating:
The recruitment page consisted of a listing for programmers for "Smash Bros. 6", which was expected to be released in 2015 for both the Wii U and Nintendo 3DS"
, which is likely why the redirect exists in the first place. It being mentioned there is just a happy coincidence though - the main reason why I am saying it should go to Super Smash Bros.#2015–2021: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate rather than Super Smash Bros. Ultimate directly is because the lengthy discussions above shows that there is ambiguity that SB6 would refer to Ultimate or some future/non-existent game, and Super Smash Bros.#2015–2021: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate is directly above a "Future" section, so this redirect would cover both bases. As an aside, I don't think the above discussions need to be continued - regardless of anyone's views, I think the outcome is obvious that there's no clear primary topic - we now just need to find the best way of disambiguating. BugGhost🪲👻 08:43, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
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- while this discussion goes nowhere, i should note ssb6 and ssb 6 also exist, and could be added here cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:05, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete the SSB redirects, Keep "Super Smash Bros. 6". From the above discussion, it appears that "Smash Bros. 6" has been used to refer to "Ultimate", and it's a plausible search term. The fact that it's wrong shouldn't be relevant - otherwise, we'd need to delete Me109. Tevildo (talk) 17:29, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Super Smash Bros. without a section redirect. Quite frankly, anything after the "4" designation is up for debate since some people consider the Wii U and 3DS versions "4" collectively, but others consider them "4" and "5" collectively. Let the readers try to figure out what the heck they are trying to find if searching these terms because we are not mind readers. Steel1943 (talk) 00:13, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Would also support this BugGhost🦗👻 08:38, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
redirects to unmanned combat aerial vehicle
[edit]- Military drone → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Combat drone → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Combat drones → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Armed drone → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Weaponized drone → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Attack drone → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Battlefield UAV → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- battlefield unmanned aerial vehicle → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Non-US battlefield UAVs → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- International Battlefield UAVs (2) → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- International Battlefield UAVs (1) → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- International Battlefield UAVs → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These need retargetting, as these are not specific to UCAV. Military drones can be unarmed, such as the Global Hawk, and most target drones (Q-planes) like the QF-4 (retired fighter converted to target drone). Armed drones are not restricted to UCAVs, such as sea drones operated by Ukraine that have sunk many Russian ships. On the Ukrainian battlefield, armed and unarmed land drones (unmanned ground vehicle -- UGV) also are being used, as are armed and unarmed aerial drones (UAV - unmanned aerial vehicle). Both the US and China have demonstrated drone tanks and robot dogs with machine guns. Police have tracked ground drones armed with shotguns, so not just militaries have armed drones. UXOD and landmine clearing also use military ground drones.
-- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 13:36, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment International Battlefield UAVs (1) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) and International Battlefield UAVs (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) should probably have a round robin swap, since the edit history is located at (1) and no significant history is located at the base name. That would allow deletion of (1) and International Battlefield UAVs (2) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) as useless numbered redirects from old swaps -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 14:08, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment if there is no better target, they should retarget to drone (disambiguation) page, that lists various types of drones. -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 20:49, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete International Battlefield UAVs and International Battlefield UAVs (2), as they appear to have been created during a botched round robin move. Then move International Battlefield UAVs (1) to International Battlefield UAVs without leaving a redirect, as its revision history is likely worth keeping. At the moment, I'm not sure what to do about the rest, but I agree that their current target is not optimal. - ZLEA T\C 05:50, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Upon further thought, I believe the best course of action for the others would be to make Military drone a disambiguation page and retarget the rest to it. - ZLEA T\C 17:36, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
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big rigs redirects with no space
[edit]- Big rigs:over the road racing → Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Big Rigs:Over the Road Racing → Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
missingspace, but it sounds like something the game itself would do cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:28, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as harmless, especially if it
sounds like something the game itself would do
(I have no opinion on that and the images in the article don't help). Thryduulf (talk) 02:12, 11 July 2024 (UTC)- if context is needed, "beating" a "race" with it earns you a crusty png of a trophy, accompanied by the text "you're winner !". it's exactly that bad. an image of that "win screen" wouldn't actually be too bad, now that you mention it cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:05, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep per WP:CHEAP, it's harmless, and also... yes. This is exactly the sort of thing the game would be, the irony is NOT lost on me, and I can easily imagine hypothetical searchers intuitively applying similar logic when searching. Very appropriate redirects for the target. If all other rationale fail, I'd !vote keep on grounds of WP:FUNPOLICE alone! Fieari (talk) 23:08, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- damn that's a compelling argument, i should activate that trap card myself sometimes cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:25, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. These errors clutter Search. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:41, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
Julie dreyfuss
[edit]- Julie dreyfuss → Julie Dreyfus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I propose the deletion of this redirect. The d not being captalized aside ({{R from miscapitalisation}}), there is an extra s at the end of the redirect's name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LucasMRB (talk • contribs) 22:08, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The double s seems like a very plausible misspelling and being all lowercase doesn't change that. Thryduulf (talk) 22:57, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Thryduulf. Another valid and harmless {{R from miscapitalisation}} and {{R from misspelling}}. CycloneYoris talk! 00:01, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per above. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:45, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per above --Lenticel (talk) 01:55, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per CycloneYoris. TheRollBoss001 (talk) 15:24, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. This redirect has two errors and may cause confusion because Julia Dreyfuss redirects to Julia Louis-Dreyfus. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:40, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
The Lion King ( 2019 soundtrack)
[edit]- The Lion King ( 2019 soundtrack) → The Lion King (2019 soundtrack) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Karl Hagedorn ( German American painter) → Karl Hagedorn (1922–2005) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Kavach ( 2016 TV series) → Kavach (TV series) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Knickerbocker Building ( New Rochelle, New York) → Knickerbocker Building (New Rochelle, New York) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Marthas ( Handmaid's Tale) → The Handmaid's Tale#Marthas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Moshe Mizrahi ( basketball) → Moshe Mizrahi (basketball) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Draft:Moshe Mizrahi ( basketball) → Moshe Mizrahi (basketball) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Not In My Name ( Protest In India) → Cow vigilante violence in India#Not In my name protest in India and outside India (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Paramathi Velur ( Namakkal district) → Paramathi Velur (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Isolation ( Kali Uchis album) → Isolation (Kali Uchis album) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- The Trouble with Angels ( Filter album) → The Trouble with Angels (Filter album) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Todd County Courthouse ( Long Prairie, Minnesota) → Todd County Courthouse (Minnesota) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Brave ( Hanna Ferm song) → Brave (Hanna Ferm song) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Squidward Nose ( Cupcakke Song) → Squidward Nose (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Stafford Road ( closed 1852) railway station → Stafford Road (closed 1852) railway station (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Open Technologies Alliance (GFOSS ) → Open Technologies Alliance (GFOSS) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Sama ( Matthew Shipp and Sabir Mateen album) → Sama (Matthew Shipp and Sabir Mateen album) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Volver ( Enrico Rava / Dino Saluzzi Quintet album) → Volver (Enrico Rava and Dino Saluzzi album) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
WP:RDAB pages with extra spaces between the parentheses created in error. WP:G6 probably doesn't apply due to the previous RFD these have gone through. Unlike that last RFD though, which included redirects that got a lot of pageviews, none of these get enough views to consider useful (highest is 4 I think, most have 0). Nickps (talk) 21:30, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Provided the equivalent pages without the extraneous space in their titles exist as either articles or redirects to articles, I say delete them all -- — The Anome (talk) 23:07, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- All of them exist without the spaces except Karl Hagedorn ( German American painter) and Not In My Name ( Protest In India) which are in Karl Hagedorn (German-American painter) and Not In my name (protest In India). Not In My Name (Protest In India) is a miscapitalisation we don't need to create but I'm not opposed to Karl Hagedorn (German American painter) if anyone wants it. Squidward Nose (Cupcakke Song) didn't exist when you wrote your comment but I've since created it. Nickps (talk) 23:16, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- I've just created the second of these, and agree with you that the first is not worth creating. Given that, I think we can now speedy delete all of the nominated malformed redirects. — The Anome (talk) 09:17, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- All of them exist without the spaces except Karl Hagedorn ( German American painter) and Not In My Name ( Protest In India) which are in Karl Hagedorn (German-American painter) and Not In my name (protest In India). Not In My Name (Protest In India) is a miscapitalisation we don't need to create but I'm not opposed to Karl Hagedorn (German American painter) if anyone wants it. Squidward Nose (Cupcakke Song) didn't exist when you wrote your comment but I've since created it. Nickps (talk) 23:16, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all: as malformed redirects where the proper versions exist. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 14:52, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all. WP:RDAB failures. Steel1943 (talk) 15:53, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all these errors. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:34, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
Copa do brasil 2011
[edit]- Copa do brasil 2011 → 2011 Copa do Brasil (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I propose the deletion of the redirect. The redirect is misspelled ("brasil" should have the b captalized). — Preceding unsigned comment added by LucasMRB (talk • contribs) 21:07, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Valid and harmless {{R from miscapitalisation}}. CycloneYoris talk! 21:38, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per CycloneYoris. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:00, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per above. It's very common for people to search in all lowercase and some methods of searching are case sensitive. Thryduulf (talk) 23:03, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per above --Lenticel (talk) 01:56, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- keep per "yeah, people do that". the misconception that brazil is real aside, those miscapitalizations are fine. it's only really when something has completely fucked up capitalization (like "2011 COPa do BRasil" or "2011 CoPa Do BrAsIl") that it becomes a problem cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:14, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
a number of gods between 4 and 6
[edit]- Five Gods → Wufang Shangdi (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- The Five Gods → Super Smash Bros. in esports (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
not sure if recentism applies with mythology and a thing that ended in 2018, but the five gods of melee seem to be the primary topic for this specific term (the word "the" notwithstanding). should they be retargeted to one or the other, kept, or disambiguated, and on the former two cases, should they get hatnotes? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:30, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget The Five Gods to Wufang Shangdi as the primary topic by long-term significance, and put a hatnote there to Super Smash Bros. in esports. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:33, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
Degi dialect
[edit]- Degi dialect → Okinoerabu dialect cluster (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in any capacity at the target. Unclear how/why this redirect would make sense. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:39, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- All of my recent mass redirects of Ryukyuan languages come from the supplementary metadata of UniCog (unicog_meta_v1.xlsx) and Nakamoto (1981:459-463) (図説琉球語辞典). Degi is a subarea of Okinoerabu (though information is very obscure; but see here for a postal code number list of Okinoerabu which includes Degi). Chuterix (talk) 21:46, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
Jigsaw Puzzle (album)
[edit]- Jigsaw Puzzle (album) → A Quick One#Jigsaw Puzzle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The details of An early version of the Who's second album was to be titled Jigsaw Puzzle was removed by @Tkbrett: here [9], and without this material, this redirect is confusing. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:30, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
Stupidgate
[edit]- Stupidgate → Henry Louis Gates arrest controversy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete it. It's existence implies that "Stupidgate" is common shorthand for the controversy, which it is not. "Stupidgate" longer appears in the article and none of the (many) uses of "stupidgate" online are for this controversy. No Wikipedia pages use the redirect. Here's a note that claims that "stupidgate" was only ever used this way by one Fox commentator. Isaac Rabinovitch (talk) 19:05, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- delete per nom, but i'll also recommend using twinkle for rfd purposes, as this nomination was placed at the bottom of the page for some reason (but was otherwise not malformed, good job), and keeping in mind that the possessive form of "it" is "its" (no apostrophe, very important) cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:26, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - Google indicates that while this term is used, it is generally not used for this, and it's not consistent what the term IS used for so a retarget wouldn't make sense. Basically, it's an ambiguous term used ad hoc to insult any controversy. Fieari (talk) 23:25, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, per Fieari. — The Anome (talk) 09:21, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
Kernel service
[edit]- Kernel service → Glossary of computer science#kernel service (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
trying again cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:29, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- nominated by @Jtbwikiman, with the following comment
- This redirect is completely inappropriate. I'm proposing that we change it to redirect to Kernel until someone wants to make a new article for Kernel Services.
- i nominated it again because the original nomination was malformed cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:33, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Kernel (operating system) per nom, in default of it being promoted to a full article. Tevildo (talk) 17:26, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
Digimon World Re:Digitize
[edit]- Digimon World Re:Digitize → Digimon World Re:Digitize (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
that's a completely different type of colon. not sure who would write the title in english, switch to a japanese keyboard setting to add that specific colon and nothing else, and then back to a latin one to write the rest cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:40, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as implausible mixed-script redirect. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 13:16, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - I'm an EFL teacher to native Japanese speakers and see my students do this kind of thing all the time. Random "full-width" punctuation and spaces everywhere when they try writing in English. No comment as to whether or not that makes it keepable, but just needed to say... yes, they do this. No, I don't know why, no matter how many times I tell them not to. Fieari (talk) 04:51, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- On reflection, coming back to add: I do know why they do this. Japanese keyboards have a button to switch between hiragana/kanji, katakana, and romaji modes, as well as some other modes as well. Japanese users are very familiar with switching between modes multiple times within a single sentence in order to type the characters they need. So they are typing in romaji mode to type the less familiar English characters/words, but then they suddenly come across a character they are used to much more, the colon! So they switch back to kana input to put in the familiar character before switching back to romaji mode to continue typing the unfamiliar parts. As I said, it happens A LOT despite my best efforts to curtail it ("Just keep it on romaji while in English class!") Fieari (talk) 07:06, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- this is almost as cursed as turning caps lock on and off for each individual capital letter. still, i don't think it's plausible to do that with an originally japanese game on english wikipedia, but that's a possible wrench in the plan cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:58, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- On reflection, coming back to add: I do know why they do this. Japanese keyboards have a button to switch between hiragana/kanji, katakana, and romaji modes, as well as some other modes as well. Japanese users are very familiar with switching between modes multiple times within a single sentence in order to type the characters they need. So they are typing in romaji mode to type the less familiar English characters/words, but then they suddenly come across a character they are used to much more, the colon! So they switch back to kana input to put in the familiar character before switching back to romaji mode to continue typing the unfamiliar parts. As I said, it happens A LOT despite my best efforts to curtail it ("Just keep it on romaji while in English class!") Fieari (talk) 07:06, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:12, 17 July 2024 (UTC)- I think Fieari presented a good argument on why Japanese speakers might use this redirect. Since redirects have low maintanance burden and the subject is a Japanese game, keep. Ca talk to me! 02:46, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
Digimon world:re:digitize
[edit]- Digimon world:re:digitize → Digimon World Re:Digitize (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
missing a space as well, but this one might make a little sense if you're thinking of emails. still voting for deletion, but will give it the benefit of the doubt cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:35, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
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malformed digimon redirects
[edit]- Digimon:Digital Monsters (anime) → Digimon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- DIGIMON:Digital Monsters → Digimon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Digimon:Digital Monsters → Digimon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
missingspace too cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:15, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Likely spelling variant. Some readers may not realize it is common to put a space after the subtitle. Ca talk to me! 15:32, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: all have errors. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:09, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
This Might Be A Wiki
[edit]- This Might Be A Wiki → They Might Be Giants (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
really funny, but only linked at the end of the article (and cited 4 times, which i will provide no input on), and not mentioned otherwise cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:50, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep for now. As it stands, this is a correctly targeted redirect-- while it's a tiny amount of information, it IS still SOME information that we have regarding the redirect title. However, and this is such a big however that I'm going to put it in bold, I don't believe this piece of information should stay on the article. While tmbw.net boasts that the official They Might Be Giants site links to them (in multiple places), the current site... doesn't. And not only are there no citations for the inclusion of TMBW on the Wikipedia page, I also don't believe they're a reliable source; it's in the same ballpark as WP:FANDOM-- heck, TMBW's own About page mentions that Wikia (which later became Fandom) offered to host the wiki on their servers, and they declined because they... wanted more control than Wikia offered?That said, at the end of the day, this is a discussion about the redirect, not the information being redirected to. And as it stands, the information is there-- so if someone wants to find it, this is where it is. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 03:33, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on Lunamann's suggestion to remove content from the target?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 08:21, 17 July 2024 (UTC)- i agree with her suggestion, but will leave the removal to someone who actually knows a thing or two about they might be giants cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:49, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
Port Royal, Richmond County, Nova Scotia
[edit]- Port Royal, Richmond County, Nova Scotia → Isle Madame (Nova Scotia) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
It is not clear why this redirects here. "Port Royal" itself is ambiguous, and there's no mention of "Port Royal" in the article. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:38, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- There is such a place (not sure if linking google maps like that works), it just doesn't have an article at present. It had been a stub before being redirected and the corresponding mention of it in Isle Madame (Nova Scotia) was removed a few years ago. I've no idea if the place is notable in any way. older ≠ wiser 20:28, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
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- It's certainly not notable enough to warrant a proper article. About 15 years ago, somebody created an article for it but it's no more than a hamlet on Isle Madame, NS. PKT(alk) 15:38, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
Saint John Rivers
[edit]Delete because it's nonsense, as pointed out by in this summary] by User:Masato.harada Enyavar (talk) 18:18, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete The name of the Jane Eyre character is St John Rivers. Even if the redirect page's name were corrected, there is no reason for its existence compared with dozens of other characters of equal importance in the novel. Masato.harada (talk) 18:57, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- admittedly uninformed, but i'd say weak keep as a plausible-ish spelling, as is the case with "john saint john" redirecting to the "proper" name. on another note, is there some weird technical reason the nomination was improperly formatted? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:09, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Cogsan. I don't see how this is implausible at all, especially if one heard it aurally. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 23:46, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Please note that I came across it when searching for the various Saint John Rivers, and that disambiguation page already lists the character but also provides links to the more likely meanings. If we keep it, change the target to the disamb page. (And if you want properly formatted nominations, I suggest streamlining this byzantine nomination procedure.) --Enyavar (talk) 05:27, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Re "if heard aurally": the name St John is pronounced Sinjen, not Saint John, so there should be no confusion. Masato.harada (talk) 08:00, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- See, the problem is that is assuming the reader would know that's the correct pronunciation. I personally would assume it would be "Saint John" being from the U.S. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:27, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Saint John River per Enyavar. The character is listed there, and it's a plausible search term. Tevildo (talk) 17:57, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I originally created the redirect as it was a quiz bowl answer in Wikipedia:Stanford Archive answers. Cheers, Jack (talk) 11:08, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Saint John River. Much better as a disambiguation page. C F A 💬 18:31, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- KEEP. It's not nonsense. "St" is short for "saint", even when it's used in somebody's name. People with "Saint" in their names almost always use the abbreviated version, but I can point you at some notable exceptions. I remember Susan Saint James getting very cranky when journalists didn't spell out "saint." Isaac Rabinovitch (talk) 19:54, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget this ambiguous term to the disambiguation page Saint John River. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:07, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
Super Nintend
[edit]- Super Nintend → Super Nintendo Entertainment System (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
implausible misspelling, search function will complete it anywa cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:29, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: From my own notes in the redirect, a pirated game cartridge had used that misspelling (I don't remember which one) WhisperToMe (talk) 20:09, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete not a plausible misspelling and unless the pirated cartridge is mentioned somewhere is not relevant to this discussion.--67.70.101.117 (talk) 21:00, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete WP:RDEL #8. Extremely obscure from my searches, only finding apparent typos. Ca talk to me! 15:02, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:RTYPO, as it only has one error. I do not find it implausible, especially given WhisperToMe's compelling statement. If this has occurred on official material, it may be a redirect with possibilities (i.e we may cover it somewhere or someday). — Godsy (TALKCONT) 17:15, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- While I see some typos as plausible I don’t see missing the O in Nintendo as likely it’s not something like a silent letter or unusual combination of letters where a typo would be more expected. Also I don’t believe the existence of a pirate cart that hasn’t appeared to be covered anywhere on Wikipedia for the 12 year period that this redirect existed as compelling whatsoever. Finally, while I may be wrong, I see keeping this because we may at a later date cover the pirate cart to be a WP:CRYSTAL issue--67.70.101.117 (talk) 16:14, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Keep or delete?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 08:10, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep the system is generally known as the "Super Nintendo", as such this redirect is only missing the final letter, thus a single character typo by ommision of the final, a very common form of typo -- 65.92.247.96 (talk) 08:22, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Per WP:PANDORA and as an implausible typo. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:57, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree that PANDORA applies in this case. It is not formatted as a phrase or obscure in the way described therein. It is not reasonable to assume people will start to search for titles without the last letter (or an "o" specifically) because this exists. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 21:51, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Not plausible: Nintend doesn't exist. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:04, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
Your Mileage May Vary
[edit]- Your Mileage May Vary → TV Tropes#YMMV (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
used in other places as well, though the title case might imply something more specific. retarget to your mileage may vary (which is itself a soft redirect to wiktionary), or leave as is? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:25, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Your mileage may vary. The phrase hasn't been part of the TV Tropes article since it was removed in 2021. The only proper name in an article is an unreferenced mention of a short story in The Morganville Vampires series. I think it would be more helpful to readers to direct them to the Wiktionary article instead of an obscure story. - Eureka Lott 02:24, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Crosswiki to Wiktionary - We don't have an article or any other information on this phrase, may as well get the searcher to its definition since we have that. Fieari (talk) 06:15, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Since Wiktionary doesn't cover the capitalized version, I'm assuming you mean wikt:your mileage may vary. Your mileage may vary is already a soft redirect to that page, so we should point the capitalized version there to eliminate the need to maintain multiple Wiktionary redirects. - Eureka Lott 17:02, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete We already have the lowercase version going to Wiktionary, that's pretty much all that is needed. This is redundant. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:58, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- retarget to Your mileage may vary. Searching in title case for something commonly abbreviated in allcaps is highly plausible and some methods of finding Wikipedia content are case sensitive. We gain absolutely nothing by deletion. Thryduulf (talk) 13:25, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Your mileage may vary as {{R from other capitalisation}}. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:02, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
Karen (Pokémon)
[edit]- Karen (Pokémon) → List of Pokémon characters#Karen (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The character is not mentioned in the target article, rendering the redirect pointless. ZFT (talk) 04:37, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment While I'm not really that knowledgeable about pokemon myself, Bulbapedia says Karen is one of the Elite Four in Kanto and Johto for multiple of the games. I note that other Elite Four characters are included in the list for some, but not all regions. It seems like it would be consistent to add her (and the others of the four?) to the list, which would then warrant keeping this redirect... but I'm not really sure what the list inclusion criteria for this list are or should be. Fieari (talk) 07:21, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - Karen's lack of notability in Pokémon is a bit of a Wikipedia joke. She's an example at WP:Pokémon test (which even has the shortcut WP:KAREN), and was an april fools joke in 2022 based on that. BugGhost🦗👻 07:24, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Interesting. I definitely wouldn't give her a standalone article... but I do wonder about list inclusion. It seems plausible that she has enough significance for that... but has there been any consensus on that? Any specific list inclusion criteria set? Fieari (talk) 07:39, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Unless some sort of evidence of her notability comes to light that allows her to sensibly be added to the list. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:56, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- i don't even remember what her type is, and if the unova elite four (aka the best characters until guzma, don't @ me, i'm right) aren't mentioned at all, karen might as well not even be in the games. delete, and don't look back cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:09, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- I keep asking, and I'm genuinely trying to find out because I don't know: what is the inclusion criteria for the list? WP:OTHERSTUFFDOESNTEXIST isn't a good argument by itself... but I agree it would be a good argument if it establishes actual list inclusion criteria. Can you help me out here? Fieari (talk) 23:13, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- in case of doubt, i'd say the only real criterion in this case is being talked about by sources not considered unreliable in more detail than "hey look it's karen, anyway". kind of why greninja doesn't have a proper article (at the moment) cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:46, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Tmk the list seems to really only be including "significant" characters within the context of the series (Those who play an important role in the plot of a game, those who have a recurring status, etc) but again criteria is unclear. I do believe it'd be worthwhile to start a discussion on it at some point. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 18:36, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- I keep asking, and I'm genuinely trying to find out because I don't know: what is the inclusion criteria for the list? WP:OTHERSTUFFDOESNTEXIST isn't a good argument by itself... but I agree it would be a good argument if it establishes actual list inclusion criteria. Can you help me out here? Fieari (talk) 23:13, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak delete. Given her history on the Wiki it feels bizarre but there's really no valid redirect target for her. I briefly considered Wikipedia:Pokémon test but I doubt that'd be valid on the off chance someone is actually searching for the character. A shame, but there's really no alternative. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 18:39, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete for now, mainspace is for the readers and having some relevance in the inside history of Wikipedia doesn't mean the redirect should be kept. However, I'm surprised that Kanto's Elite Four is mentioned but not the others, given that the source supporting it also discusses the other Elite Fours. If that source is used to expand the article and mention Karen, I wouldn't be opposed to the redirect being kept/recreated. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 20:56, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
Facebook, Inc. v. Amalgamated Bank
[edit]- Facebook, Inc. v. Amalgamated Bank → Facebook–Cambridge Analytica data scandal (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
While the Cambridge Analytica affair may be related to the case (and the current target should probably be linked in a future article at the redirect), the target article makes no mention of the SCOTUS lawsuit named in the redirect. I don't think someone would search for the lawsuit looking for information on the scandal, and so I believe this is a good candidate to return to red in hopes someone will create an article for the case. Hamtechperson 02:35, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:REDLINK to encourage article creation. Fieari (talk) 07:23, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
Magik (film)
[edit]- Magik (film) → Benedict Cumberbatch (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Magik (2015 film) → Benedict Cumberbatch (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Situation I haven't run into here: This was a BLAR to an article that does not currently mention the subject, but restoring the article would go against WP:NFF, which means there isn't a snowball's chance in Hell that the article would survive AfD. I think the best approach is restore article but draftify, which is the better way to incubate something in development hell anyways. (Normally I wouldn't take something to RfD just to !vote restore, since anyone can do that, but if I were to unilaterally restore and draftify I feel like that would be backdoor deletion of the redirect.) -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 00:56, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Restore/Draftify per nom. You make a good case for it, and I appreciate the reasoning for going through the RfD process. Fieari (talk) 01:22, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Although back in 2018 and 2019 it was restored twice so I think it probably should be restored and sent to AFD per WP:BLA and if it is desired to disambiguate (if the 2024 one is different) then the edit history should be moved to Magik (2018 film) and redirected to Magik (disambiguation) per WP:INCDAB. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:21, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Bundling the related redirect Magik (2015 film). Hyphenation Expert (talk) 04:09, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
Werewolves in fiction
[edit]- Werewolves in fiction → List of werewolves (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This currently points to List of werewolves, but Werewolf fiction exists. I tend to think the list should just be merged into that article, though the result would be somewhat lengthy. I am open to alternatives. BD2412 T 21:39, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Werewolf fiction as the new target is a simple rearrangement of the redirect name. Merging the two articles is probably something that should be done; however, that's outside the scope of an RfD discussion. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 00:32, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Werewolf fiction as more plausible synonym --Lenticel (talk) 01:51, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Werewolf fiction. Not sure who is typing this in outside seasoned wikipedians but seems okay to me. Maybe people searching other search engines to find this perhaps. Andrzejbanas (talk) 17:32, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep because 1) the wording of the redirect leads to assume the reader is looking for a list of something, and 2) as far as I am aware, all werewolves are fictional, so the concept of "werewolf" itself is fictional. Retargeting this to Werewolf fiction does not seem to be where readers want to go if searching this term, but if need be, a hatnote can be added to the current target. Steel1943 (talk) 18:04, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Steel1943: Until the at least the middle 18th century, there are many sources that treated the affliction/ability as real. It was explored as a medical condition in the 1960s. The werewolf article was a better read than I expected! Theoretically, the list article could be expanded to include older mentions that were part of folklore that would not quite fall under the realm of fiction in the modern context.— Godsy (TALKCONT) 10:44, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Red Caesar
[edit]- Red Caesar → Dictatorship (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Caesar is mentioned in the target article, but not Red Caesar. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 21:34, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- The creation summary cites this Philadelphia Enquirer article which makes the connection to dictatorship explicit, but it's too general a target to be useful. The only mention of the term on Wikipedia is at Talk:Claremont Institute#Promotion of "Red Caesar" ideology where, citing an article in The Guardian dated four days prior to the Philadelphia Inquirer one (1 and 5 October 2023 respectively), an IP editor asked "Should we add the fact that the Claremont Institute has been promoting a "Red Caesar" ideology (i.e., a ruler who would nullify the U.S.'s traditional democratic norms)?" but got no reply. Both articles cite the Claremont Institute as the origin of the term and ideal. Given the number of search results the term gets we should probably have some content about it, but unless and until we do the redirect is not helpful so delete until some content is written. Thryduulf (talk) 00:12, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - @Thryduulf: Content already present at Caesarism#21st century (including a namedrop of the aforementioned institute) could probably be easily expanded to include this term. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 10:30, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Anoushka Sunak, Krishna Sunak, Usha Sunak and Yashvir Sunak
[edit]- Anoushka Sunak → Rishi Sunak#Personal life (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Krishna Sunak → Rishi Sunak#Personal life (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Usha Sunak → Rishi Sunak#Early life and education (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Yashvir Sunak → Rishi Sunak#Early life and education (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete because these names of non-notable close family members of former UK prime minister Rishi Sunak have recently been removed from his article per WP:BLPNAME, and because the categories on these redirects may lead readers to draw conclusions. -- DeFacto (talk). 19:53, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. On the same note, I also propose deleting redirects Florence Rose Endellion Cameron, Ivan Cameron, and Wilfred Lawrie Nicholas Johnson. @DeFacto, pinging so you can add these if you want. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:07, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, delete those three too. -- DeFacto (talk). 15:52, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
2025 FIVB Men's Volleyball Nations League
[edit]- 2025 FIVB Men's Volleyball Nations League → FIVB Men's Volleyball Nations League (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mentioned at the target page and per WP:FUTURE. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 • [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 04:56, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
Delete per nom. Better be recreated as an future article if reliable sources exist.Withdrawn. Ahri Boy (talk) 05:50, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - A draft is now pending review. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:12, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
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2025 FIVB Women's Volleyball Nations League
[edit]- 2025 FIVB Women's Volleyball Nations League → FIVB Women's Volleyball Nations League (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mentioned at the target page and per WP:FUTURE. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 • [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 04:52, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
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Pignas
[edit]- Pignas → Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog#Reception (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
unlikely misspelling of "pingas"? if it's not deleted, i'll suggest retargeting to youtube poop, while i make a not as misspelled redirect to it cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:37, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- oh wait, "pingas" is already a redirect to a dab. leave that one as is (give or take a mention of it in the dab), or retarget it to ytp? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:40, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hey man im josh (talk) 17:40, 16 July 2024 (UTC)- Target to dab and tag as misspelling and avoided double redirect. My first instinct was to delete, but given the correctly spelled title exists, might as well target to where the correctly spelled title goes. (As for plausibility, is swapping the location of two characters next to each other really that implausible of a typing error? After all, I've done taht plenty of timse.) 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 18:57, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Target to the DAB page as an R from misspelling. I added a mention of YTP at the target page that is hopefully acceptable. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 20:06, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
The two Johns
[edit]- The two Johns → They Might Be Giants (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
what makes those two specific johns "the", as opposed to john and john from john and john, or any other combination of two johns? doesn't seem related to "gigantic (a tale of two johns)", which is about those two specific johns, but doesn't necessarily make those of all johns "the" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:39, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete simple google search does not relate to this target. It's a 1923 film, or Biblical Johns -- 65.92.247.96 (talk) 08:27, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
Brown hat
[edit]Not mentioned at current redirect article. GnocchiFan (talk) 15:58, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete I can't find a good target in en.wiki. GSearch just points me to brown hats up for sale. -- Lenticel (talk) 00:16, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- According to Urban Dictionary (yes, I know), a "brownhat" (no space) is "a startlingly incompetent wannabe hacker with malicious intent", so the current target isn't unreasonable. However, as the term isn't mentioned there (and doesn't appear to have much traction in general), Delete per nom. Tevildo (talk) 17:30, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
Draft:San Diego Clippers (NBA)
[edit]- Draft:San Diego Clippers (NBA) → Los_Angeles_Clippers#1978–1984:_San_Diego_Clippers (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Procedural renomination at the correct venue. Previously nominated at MfD by User:Intrisit here with rationale: Created out of an AFC script which I have no idea why. It doesn't seem to align with WP:RPURPOSE than its mainspace rdr counterpart which does the job anyway. Redundant redirect that must go!
Nickps (talk) 17:29, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Taking off my procedural nom hat now, I think that no valid rationale for deletion is presented. Not opening this RfD at all per WP:NOTBURO was an option, but I want to use RfD to put an end to nom's attempts to delete the redirect out of process. Nickps (talk) 20:21, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Cross-wikispace redirect that should not be there at all. The Banner talk 09:11, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
Nationalparken
[edit]- Nationalparken → Northeast Greenland National Park (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Nationalparken means "national park" in both Danish and Swedish and does not necessarily refer to this park in particular (e.g. uses at [10], [11]). If we have any aggregated List of national parks in Scandinavia type articles that would be an appropriate target, but I wasn't able to find any that include both Denmark and Sweden. signed, Rosguill talk 15:11, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:FORRED. National parks in general have no particular affinity with any particular country or language - and it's not just Swedish and Danish, the Luxembourgish Wikipedia has lb:Kategorie:Nationalparken too. Thryduulf (talk) 17:11, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above --Lenticel (talk) 01:51, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
Shawn "Source" Jarrett
[edit]- Shawn "Source" Jarrett → Record producer (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Jarrett is a specific record producer; redirecting his name to the concept of a record producer isn't helpful at all, especially when he isn't mentioned anywhere in the article. This redirect should be deleted. Sock (tock talk) 13:47, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Not helpful to readers. He appears to exist, but an article about him do not. Ca talk to me! 14:58, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- 'Delete per nom and Ca. Thryduulf (talk) 17:12, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above. No prejudice on the creation of the article for this individual provided that there are reliable sources that deemed him notable. --Lenticel (talk) 00:18, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
Yogu
[edit]seems to refer to one of two yogurt brands that aren't notable, or a thing nestlé did once that is also not notable. doesn't seem to be a commonly used abbreviation, and if it's just an unfinished word, then why even make a redire cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:44, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Fruit bottom
[edit]originally a short essay about putting fruit at the bottom of yogurt to make it taste like yogurt with fruit on the bottom, currently mentioned in passing in the target. however, putting fruit at the bottom of things is not a concept exclusive to yogurt (though it might be the primary topic), and the title implies it's about the bottom of fruit (whatever that means for most of them). torn between voting to delete as vague, or as broken english cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:28, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- will mention fruit at the bottom, an album that doesn't appear to have a lot in common with yogurt. i think a redirect could be made in sentence case and targeted to yogurt, with hatnotes on both articles, but "fruit bottom" could refer to obscure sex practices for all anyone knows cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:32, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Googling for "fruit bottom" -Wikipedia gets a total of 10 hits, the first is the only one that appears relevant but it's a blog and the word "fruit" doesn't actually appear on the page when you visit. Of the rest, 1 is an Etsy shop where the word "bottom" doesn't appear on the visited page, and the rest are random cololcations and/or not in English. Thryduulf (talk) 17:23, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Gonna be real, my first thought when I see the words "fruit bottom" is Fruit of the Loom, a brand that sells bottoms (as in the article of clothing). As for Fruit at the Bottom the album, it seems to be an album named after one of its songs-- albeit the title track's lyrics don't seem to be talking about yogurt either. Honestly I don't have a clue. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 19:05, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete at first thought, its a type of cake. -- 65.92.247.96 (talk) 08:28, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
Draft Al Gore
[edit]- Draft Al Gore → Al Gore#2008 Presidential election (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mentions of this specific phrase in the target article. 2A0E:1D47:9085:D200:FC81:4199:A8ED:9666 (talk) 12:00, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as a fake draft to article redirect. Jalen Folf (Bark[s]) 12:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment I think this is using "Draft" in the sense of military draft (which is mentioned at Al Gore#Military service) or "a handful of his supporters formed a national campaign to draft him into running" (Al Gore#Presidential run speculation). The similarity to Wikipedia's draft namespace is probably coincidental. Thryduulf (talk) 17:29, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget Al Gore#Presidential run speculation. That's what the creator was targeting in 2008: Gore's political drafts. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 04:53, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- *Retarget per Hyphenation Expert and my comment above. Thryduulf (talk) 18:03, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
Lee Min-ho (singer)
[edit]- Lee Min-ho (singer) → Lee Min-ho (disambiguation) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Currently redirects to the dab page because two people named Lee Min-ho are singers: one is the member of Stray Kids Lee Know and the other is a more prominent actor Lee Min-ho. Which do you think is a more suitable target, Lee Know or the K-drama actor? ScarletViolet 💬 📝 11:48, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as is: Judging by the pageviews, Lee Min-ho is nearly 6 times more visited than Lee Know. However, it seems that Lee Min-ho is more known for being an actor than a singer, while Lee Know is primarily known for his K-Pop singing/dancing. Most readers would type Lee Min-ho (actor) instead of (singer). However, Lee Know is better known by his stage name than his real name. I think there is too much factors at play here to accurate judge the reader's intention, or WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. It shouldn't be deleted per Wikipedia:INCOMPDAB, which says to redirect to the more general disamb page if there is no primary topic. Ca talk to me! 15:12, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as is The standard for partial disamsbiguation is extremely high and this doesn't meet it. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:51, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as is per above. I don't think the standard for partial disambiguation should be as high as it is, but even by my standards there is no primary topic here. Thryduulf (talk) 17:34, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- The base name is a singer so shouldn't it redirect there if the South Korean singer has been deemed the primary topic for the base name? If there is no primary topic the DAB should be moved to the base name. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:31, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Shinespark
[edit]- Shinespark → Characters of the Metroid series#Etecoons and Dachora (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The section only mentions it once and in passing. No description of it is given. Also, this is a gameplay feature and not a character. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:29, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Metroid#Gameplay, I found a decent mention of it here that can easily be added. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:59, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
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Tighten
[edit]not entirely sure megamind as a franchise has dominion over the public perception of this specific word, or that tight would be a good target cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:47, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to wikt:tighten and hatnote to the previous target, essentially per nom. Duckmather (talk) 18:12, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate. Per WP:SSRT,
only topics with a less-than-encyclopedic scope that are commonly wikified words or that are repeatedly recreated should become soft redirects
(emphases mine). This word is neither commonly wikified (indeed, there are no mainspace links that point to it), nor has it been repeatedly recreated. But because it might reasonably be a search term for multiple items on Wikipedia, and none seem like an easy primary topic, a dab page should suffice. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 23:12, 8 July 2024 (UTC)- What would you place on a disambiguation page for this term? There are over 10,000 uses of tighten (or variants like tightens, tightened, and tightening) in the mainspace. I couldn't review them all, but from what I did see, there aren't enough candidates to justify creating a disambiguation page. - Eureka Lott 04:35, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Like Eureka Lott, I struggled to find alternative candidates to list on a DAB page. I concur with Red-tailed hawk that a soft redirect is unhelpful here. In the absence of other suitable targets, I see no reason to change from the present one. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 23:50, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - agreeing with Presidentman, unless there's a few good suggestions for the contents of a DAB, I think it should remain as-is. I don't think the existing redirect is helpful to many people, but I don't think moving it to anywhere else would be an improvement either, so keep. BugGhost🪲👻 10:57, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete This is just not what people are likely to be looking for. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:51, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Tight? Hat note to character (i.e. the current target) and add a wikt link box to the page for wikt:tighten. Not the ideal solution, however, it might be the best that can be done for now (bar an article on the generalized topic, which would be difficult). Either that, or delete it. The search engine seemingly handles it better. This is a rare case where it seems keeping it as is would be a harmful surprise. Loosen does not exist. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 09:36, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Tight seems fine to me. I am hard-pressed to imagine the person specifically looking up the Megamind-related meaning. BD2412 T 14:16, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete
or retarget to Wiktionary:tighten. I'm having severe difficulty believing that a reader looking up the word "tighten" would be attempting to locate any of the subjects currently listed at the disambiguation page Tight. In addition, I do agree that the Megamind reference is so obscure that leaving the redirect as is is probably not helpful. The best waysto serve the readers in the caseareis probably ... weeithergive them search results so they can figure out what they are trying to find, or we send them to Wiktionary so they can get a definition of this word. Steel1943 (talk) 16:04, 20 July 2024 (UTC)- The WP:SSRT-ers have it ... scrap the Wiktionary reference. However, this word is so common as an word in English that I believe most readers being directed to the Megamind article are going to be unclear why they were led to the article if they were looking for the concept of "tighten". Steel1943 (talk) 21:44, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Presidentman. No suitable alternatives have been identified: there's nothing to put on a potential disambiguation page, redirecting to Wiktionary wouldn't be appropriate per WP:SSRT, and the term isn't mentioned on the Tight disambiguation page. That leaves the current target as the only viable option. No objection to a disambiguation page if some good candidates are identified. - Eureka Lott 17:01, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
Notorious Software Patents
[edit]- Notorious Software Patents → List of software patents (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unused (no pageviews in 90 days) redirect of unlikely editorialization and capitalizaiton. Nat Gertler (talk) 04:16, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete The list does say some patents have "achieved notoriety in other ways", but not all patents listed are "notorious" (if we are editorializing here), and the list isn't about patent controversies anyways. Misleadings and unlikely search term. Ca talk to me! 06:27, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Not WP:NPOV. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 13:20, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- FYI redirects do not need to be neutral per WP:RNEUTRAL. Ca talk to me! 14:59, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Some software patents have been described as "notorious" by reliable sources, so it is a reasonable search term, and it is reasonable (and not uncommon) for a more specific search term to redirect to a broader article. However someone using this search term is almost certainly looking for either a list of software patents that are (or have been called) notorious or information on what makes a software patent notorious, but that information is not in the target article or the main article about software patents, making the redirect misleading. Thryduulf (talk) 15:54, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - I know I'm going against the grain here, but... for starters, I agree that this is a plausible search term. I also agree that redirects need not follow the NPOV naming policy, and in fact, POV article names are best as redirects. Where I disagree with the above !votes is the idea that the target article is not the best place to get information on notorious software patents. I've read the article/list... and while it does include some non-notorious patents, it definitely includes the notorious ones as well. From where I'm standing, that means that this article provides the information the searcher is looking for, and that's the job of a redirect. Fieari (talk) 04:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
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- @Fieari: while it might include the notorious patents, you can only know that if you already know which software patents are notorious (so the article tells you nothing you don't already know). If you want to learn which are notorious then you will have had your time wasted at best (because the article doesn't tell you) or mislead into thinking they're all notorious. If you want to learn what makes software patents notorious, either in general or what makes specific ones notorious then again the article is of no benefit to you. In all cases the redirect misleads the searcher into to thinking we have content that we do not. Thryduulf (talk) 10:50, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Conditional Keep If a cited section is made at List_of_software_patents#Miscellaneous which explains the notoriety of certain software patents. Otherwise, delete as potentially vague at best. --Lenticel (talk) 02:11, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:AFFINITY (i.e. titles with adjectives (e.g. 'important', 'significant', and 'consequential') that have no more affinity than any other for the subject at hand), unless a strong case with a well-sourced mention can be materialized. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 21:35, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
Acoustic punk
[edit]- Acoustic punk → Acoustic music (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I disambiguated acoustic punk with links to acoustic music, folk punk, antifolk, and gypsy punk, however, it was restored to its original redirect, and there appears to be some confusion on the acoustic punk talk page, so am listing it here to get consensus on whether the redirect or disambiguation page is more appropriate. I feel like the disambiguation page would work better because folk music is acoustic, and folk punk, antifolk, and gypsy punk can be performed acousticly sans electric amplification. Moline1 (talk) 03:56, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- As I explained on the talk page, this could perhaps be a broad concept article, but not a disambiguation page at present. None of these articles are ambiguously titled with the term "acoustic punk" and at present, none of them even so much as mention the term. If the articles are updated to provide some indication as to why they are suitable for inclusion on a dab for "acoustic punk", that could work as well, but otherwise a broad concept article is needed to provide context for these unambiguously titled articles. older ≠ wiser 09:01, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Convert to disambig - A disambiguation page is more helpful than being redirected to a more general page (ie. Acoustic music). Users who want Acoustic music can click on that link, users who are looking for a more specific acoustic punk subgenre are presented with a list of them to chose from. The previous DAB was lacking a clarifying introduction though. BugGhost🪲👻 09:53, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- At present, none of the articles contain any indication that they are ambiguous with the term. These articles may be conceptually related topics, but strictly speaking the current titles and content of the articles are not ambiguous. older ≠ wiser 10:18, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Moline isn't suggesting that articles like Folk punk and Celtic punk etc are ambiguous - they are saying that the term Acoustic punk is ambiguous, which is evident seeing as we are disagreeing on the topic. Seeing as that term is ambiguous, we should disambiguate it. BugGhost🪲👻 11:52, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- The problem is that at present there is no existing article that addresses that ambiguity. Why should we direct readers to articles like folk punk or celtic punk that say nothing directly about "acoustic punk"? older ≠ wiser 12:44, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- ... because they are punk subgenres that focus heavily on acoustic elements? The target articles do not need to express an ambiguity, because they are not the ones being disambiguated. Either way, I think you and I have sufficiently clarified our positions - let's put a pin in this comment thread and see what other editors say on the topic. BugGhost🪲👻 13:43, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- OK, except that's not really disambiguation -- that is more like saying we don't have an article on "acoustic punk" but here are some articles that might have some conceptual overlap. older ≠ wiser 16:21, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- ... because they are punk subgenres that focus heavily on acoustic elements? The target articles do not need to express an ambiguity, because they are not the ones being disambiguated. Either way, I think you and I have sufficiently clarified our positions - let's put a pin in this comment thread and see what other editors say on the topic. BugGhost🪲👻 13:43, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- The problem is that at present there is no existing article that addresses that ambiguity. Why should we direct readers to articles like folk punk or celtic punk that say nothing directly about "acoustic punk"? older ≠ wiser 12:44, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Moline isn't suggesting that articles like Folk punk and Celtic punk etc are ambiguous - they are saying that the term Acoustic punk is ambiguous, which is evident seeing as we are disagreeing on the topic. Seeing as that term is ambiguous, we should disambiguate it. BugGhost🪲👻 11:52, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- At present, none of the articles contain any indication that they are ambiguous with the term. These articles may be conceptually related topics, but strictly speaking the current titles and content of the articles are not ambiguous. older ≠ wiser 10:18, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Folk punk (of which celtic punk and gypsy punk are sub-genres), with which it is fairly synonymous (some sort of sourcing should be possible and a mention may be added; otherwise, {{r without mention}} for now). Hat note to antifolk, if desired. No need to do include the general concept of acoustic music in any form. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 00:47, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Would be happy with this - better target than acoustic music in general. BugGhost🦗👻 11:03, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
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Moscow City
[edit]- Moscow City → Moscow International Business Center (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Are we sure that Moscow International Business Center is the primary topic for "Moscow City" (not hyphenated, but capitalised), as opposed to Moscow? Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:01, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Known as such in reliable sources [12] [13]. There's a hatnote in place for those who may have somehow typed "Moscow City" to look for Moscow. 162 etc. (talk) 21:12, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- "X City" or other similar noun prefixes generally doesn't refer to a settlement unless there is a country or state with the same name such as Mexico City or New York City. Look at Manchester City and Ipswich Town for example. However there is Mezhdunarodnaya (Moscow Metro) so I'd probably suggest
disambiguate, either a separate DAB page or redirecting to Mexico (disambiguation). Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:24, 1 July 2024 (UTC)- Moscow City should be the primary topic ahead of the metro station named for it. The existing hatnote is fine. See Empower Field at Mile High / Empower Field at Mile High station, Powell Street / Powell Street station, etc... 162 etc. (talk) 16:46, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- OK keep then. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:34, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Moscow City should be the primary topic ahead of the metro station named for it. The existing hatnote is fine. See Empower Field at Mile High / Empower Field at Mile High station, Powell Street / Powell Street station, etc... 162 etc. (talk) 16:46, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Moscow Even with capitalising "C" in the word "City", the city of Moscow is still the primary topic. 103.111.100.82 (talk) 07:37, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 00:11, 9 July 2024 (UTC)- Keep. Given the Moscow International Business Center is known as Moscow-City, I'd say WP:DIFFCAPS is enough to keep this one. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 01:50, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Moscow per the IP above. Moscow-City already exists and is appropriately targeted to the business center; it is important to consider that, according to the article, this is a romanization of a Russian term. This begs the question of how widespread usage of this term is in English usage. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 18:19, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Moscow and add a hatnote. Google results make it clear that general uses of the city are the primary topic, the business centre/district is second but that doesn't support being the redirect target. Thryduulf (talk) 11:05, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- That could be because Google is treating "City" as a qualifier rather than part of the name. I'd question if someone typing "Moscow City" are looking for the city its self. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:37, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Searching instead for
"Moscow City" -wikipedia
(in an attempt to strongarm Google into giving me replies for "Moscow City" as a phrase instead of results for "the city named Moscow") made it bring up a lot more hits for Moscow International Business Center, though some results for Moscow itself (through phrases like "Moscow city government") did manage to leak through. People ARE calling Moscow International Business Center "Moscow City"-- and more importantly, given Google needs to find phrases like "Moscow city government" to bring up results for Moscow itself, people AREN'T referring to Moscow as Moscow City.I'd chalk up the far smaller *number* of results simply to the fact that a single business center is never going to be as notable as the capital city of Russia itself. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 19:19, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Searching instead for
- That could be because Google is treating "City" as a qualifier rather than part of the name. I'd question if someone typing "Moscow City" are looking for the city its self. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:37, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per evidence provided above that this is the WP:PTOPIC for the WP:DIFFCAPS version specifically. There should be (and already exists) a hatnote to Moscow. Fieari (talk) 01:24, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
Geometric Shapes
[edit]- Geometric Shapes → Geometric Shapes (Unicode block) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Similar reason as Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion#Kangxi_Radicals: Retarget to Shape, or move the target to the base title? –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 05:03, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to shape which is the primary topic in my view. BugGhost🦗👻 10:24, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to shape, which I wish was a better article than it is, but regardless of that it's still definitely the WP:PTOPIC over the unicode block by a landslide. Fieari (talk) 01:28, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to shape as most plausible synonym. --Lenticel (talk) 02:12, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
Youre disgusting head
[edit]- Youre disgusting head → Dave Eggers#Humor books (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Misspelled redirect, correct version exists already. Apollogetticax|talk 04:51, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:28, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - unlikely double spelling mistake BugGhost🦗👻 10:19, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- delete per nom. the correct word is "your're" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:11, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Probably not "your're" but "your"? Apollogetticax|talk 17:58, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- what do you mean it's not "yro'ue"? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:42, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Probably not "your're" but "your"? Apollogetticax|talk 17:58, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above, although the correct version appears to be "Your" per Dave Eggers#Children's books (which is the section this redirect should target if it isn't deleted). Thryduulf (talk) 17:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - Redirect gets roughly 9 uses a year, historically. Not sure if that's enough to support a WP:CHEAP argument or not, so just leaving it as a comment. Fieari (talk) 07:15, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
Sportacus 9
[edit]there are theories that robbie rotten was the previous sportacus and wore the number 9, though they have little to no evidence that could be used here. retarget to his article, keep as is, or delete as fancruft? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:03, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep redirect to sportacus. Robbie rotten and number 9 (sportacus 9) are not the same person. Robbie and number 9 where butting heads (see https://web.archive.org/web/20040108161211/http://www.lazytown.com/pages/about/concept/theoriginsstory.html ). Robbie later became Robbie rotten (see https://web.archive.org/web/20031225235205/http://www.lazytown.com/pages/about/concept/robbierotten.html). Number 9 (sportacus 9) has much more similarities with sportacus 10 (the current sportacus) than Robbie, so that redirect makes sense for now. Snævar (talk) 14:47, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
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Goerdel's theorem
[edit]Wikipedia:INLINE
[edit]- Wikipedia:INLINE → Wikipedia:WikiProject Inline Templates (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I discovered this redirect when trying to get to Wikipedia:Inline citation. From what links here, it seems a common mistake. The reason I'm not boldly changing it myself is that the current target, a WikiProject, seems alive, even if it's on life support. I figure, as a courtesy, we should get consensus to overwrite a redirect they've been using for years. It could also potentially be turned into a disambiguation page, though that wouldn't be my preference. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 19:54, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Wikipedia:Inline citation per nom. I have made this mistake many times. C F A 💬 20:02, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - the current target is a project concerning all inline templates, and I don't think there's a good reason to consider inline citation templates to have precedence for this usage. The WikiProject already has a hatnote to Wikipedia:Inline citation, which uses the shortcut WP:IC. The project also has a list of inline templates, and I don't think that comprehensive list exists elsewhere. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 20:05, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
Keep per Ivanvector. Also my view on the WP: shouty shortcuts is that they lose their intended purpose if they move or change. Changing it will break countless usages, both in talk/wp space, and in edit summaries (which can't be altered). Need a really good reason to change an established WP shortcutBugGhost🦗👻 23:02, 15 July 2024 (UTC)- Begrudgingly updating my vote to Retarget (with hatnote) per Thryduulf - I had another look myself at the usages, and he's right that it looks like a lot of the time people who link to it are actually trying to reference WP:IC, by saying things like "
you need to add inline citations
". Retargetting this redirect would likely fix more existing links than it would break. BugGhost🦗👻 11:32, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Begrudgingly updating my vote to Retarget (with hatnote) per Thryduulf - I had another look myself at the usages, and he's right that it looks like a lot of the time people who link to it are actually trying to reference WP:IC, by saying things like "
- Retarget. I was all set to recommend keeping per Bugghost, but then I looked at the actual uses. This has many incoming links so I've looked at only a random sampling of them, but of those only 1 was clearly intending the current target, a few were completely ambiguous, some very clearly meant the citation templates, while the vast majority probably want the citation page. "WP:INLINE cite" (or "citation") is the most common form by for these links, the context they are in and the contents of the two targets means that it's at least more likely than not that the current target is not the one desired. Thryduulf (talk) 00:20, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget. Just like NinjaRobotPirate said, I was also trying to get to WP:Inline citation and found the deletion discussion. Before this redirect I never knew this WikiProject existed. Myrealnamm (💬pros · ✏️cons) 20:34, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
FinalMethod
[edit]- FinalMethod → Method (computer programming) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at the target with or without a space. Internet and Google Scholar results did not turn up anything illuminating. Delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 19:48, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment It's likely that Method (computer programming) § Finalizers is arguably a close enough mention. See Final (Java) § Final methods for Java-specific context (it's kind of in some other languages). But the missing space makes it iffier. Skynxnex (talk) 20:00, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
How the sausage gets made
[edit]Galaxy 2
[edit]Demolition Ranch
[edit]E610
[edit]While E610 is mentioned at the target (it was the serial number of the gas tank that leaked and caused the disaster), this string also shows up in several other articles, such as LG Optimus L5, Orange SPV and South African Class 5E1, Series 2. Neither an internet search nor Google Scholar suggest a primary target, so deletion to allow for internal search results seems most appropriate. signed, Rosguill talk 18:10, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - this is one for the search engine. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 18:48, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- I think it would be best to turn it into a disambiguation page that links to those other articles. Luvcraft (talk) 02:19, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
Theoretical high pixel count images
[edit]- Yottapixel image → Gigapixel image (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Yottapixel → Gigapixel image (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Zettapixel image → Gigapixel image (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Zettapixel → Gigapixel image (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Exapixel image → Gigapixel image (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Exapixel → Gigapixel image (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Petapixel image → Gigapixel image (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in target, and contents of the gigapixel article doesn't contain any technical relevance that would be applicable to peta-, exa-, zetta-, or yottapixel images. The size difference between a gigapixel image and a yottapixel image is huge - printed at 300dpi (standard magazine quality print), a gigapixel image would be about the size of a kingsize bed, while a yottapixel image would have about the same surface area as Neptune, and (if stored at 24bits/pixel) would require 6000x the storage capacity of all of AWS to store it as a png.
Note: Petapixel was recently listed at RFD and deleted, but that had different circumstances because of the existence of the unrelated article PetaPixel. BugGhost🦗👻 15:50, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- These seem like plausible search terms; someone may be curious to see if these higher designations exist or are used for anything. jp×g🗯️ 00:45, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - I still feel the same way I felt about the previous RfD. Basically, if some sci-fi or otherwise speculative writer mentions an absurdly large SI-prefix referring to the size of an image, then the reader should be able to look up the concept of "absurdly large image" on wikipedia, even if the exact level of "absurdly large" is not specifically mentioned. Fieari (talk) 00:13, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
Nuzlocke
[edit]"Nuzlocke" is not mentioned in the target article. Nuzlocke section was removed from the article in January 2023 and seems no one objected: [14]. In 2015, Nuzlocke article was redirected to Pokémon after an AfD. Mika1h (talk) 13:16, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of video games-related deletion discussions. Mika1h (talk) 13:17, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- It seems like you didn't actually add the RfD to the delsort list. It has to be added manually over there, like this. In this case, I replaced a closed RfD with this one. Nickps (talk) 14:52, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- The redirects weren't tagged either. Nickps (talk) 17:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, forgot to do that. --Mika1h (talk) 17:28, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- The redirects weren't tagged either. Nickps (talk) 17:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- It seems like you didn't actually add the RfD to the delsort list. It has to be added manually over there, like this. In this case, I replaced a closed RfD with this one. Nickps (talk) 14:52, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- i think a mention in gameplay of pokémon would work, but hopefully with better sources than the ones removed in that diff. put my vote on hold until i remember to look for that cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:54, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'd say re-add the information, although finding new sources would be a good improvement. On the contrary to user:Juxlos's judgement that the Nuzlocke Challenge is "nothing special" because "there are multiple fan-made modes": most of them are based on or inspired by the Nuzlocke, and AFAIK the ones that aren't come from the speedrunning community. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 17:43, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- I must note here that my removal of Nuzlocke is a WP:DUE thing, not a WP:GNG. I have no objections to its notability, though I objected to its inclusion in the main article the same way I would object to including Pokémon Sage or Pokémon Fossil Museum in the main article. Juxlos (talk) 03:40, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Information about it should be re-added to the article, it was wrongly removed. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:53, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- WP:RETURNTORED - Nuzlocke could easily be turned into an article, there's decent number of sources about it, eg: [15], [16], [17], [18], [19] and it's mentioned in 14 different Wikipedia articles. (My second preference would be keep/reinstate into Pokemon) BugGhost🪲👻 09:37, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Restore the previously deleted information from the current target article to this page, creating a new article here. I can see the WP:DUE weight issue with nuzlocke being in the main article, but it looks like it should pass WP:GNG, so give it its own article right here. Fieari (talk) 07:38, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
Hardcore Gamer (website)
[edit]- Hardcore Gamer (website) → Gamer#Dedication spectrum (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The target page mentions the concept of a "hardcore gamer" but bears no reference to the website of that name. IceWelder [✉] 08:11, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - We do not appear to cover the parent company of the publication, i.e. Valnet, Inc. It is, however, listed at Valnet. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 10:56, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete since there is no article for the parent company per above. LBWP2 (talk) 01:08, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
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Harry Patterson
[edit]- Harry Patterson → Jack Higgins (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I propose to move the new disambiguation page, Harry Patterson (disambiguation), over this title. The current redirect subject, Jack Higgins, may well be a popular author, but his real name was "Henry Patterson" (not Harry), and he apparently only ever made limited use of the name "Harry Patterson", finally switching to "Jack Higgins" before he became famous; I therefore do not think there is a primary topic for the actual name, "Harry Patterson". BD2412 T 01:02, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Move Harry Patterson (disambiguation) to Harry Patterson, per 98Tigerius BugGhost🪲👻 12:15, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Move Harry Patterson (disambiguation) to Harry Patterson per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:12, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Move per nom. Retargeting so that it pointed to the disambiguation page would be a breach of WP:MALPLACED. Tassedethe (talk) 21:19, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- I have listed the previous RfD discussion from 2018. But there was no disambiguation page at the time. Jay 💬 17:46, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Siddiqui
[edit]Current target Muslim Kayastha is very specifically referring to a community in a region in India. Meanwhile this name found all over Pakistan and Bangladesh as well among unrelated communities. (e.g the name is listed here as a Sindhi name as well List of Sindhi tribes (in the "others" section) Kowtis (talk) 09:05, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not very knowledgeable in the subject, but I would suggest converting to disamb page here, unless there's a clear primary topic that someone can explain.
Note: this is an RfD nomination that I've helped out with on behalf of User:Kowtis who had trouble doing it themselves, they have explained to me on their talk page that this redirect should be retargeted to Siddiqui (name). — AP 499D25 (talk) 10:32, 6 July 2024 (UTC)- Would it be better to move Siddiqui (name) to Siddiqui? --Un assiolo (talk) 22:30, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Pinging @Kowtis for response — AP 499D25 (talk) 02:31, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Would support redirecting Siddiqui to Siddiqui (name) instead, but if it's not feasible would support moving the latter to the former as well. Kowtis (talk) 05:29, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Would it be better to move Siddiqui (name) to Siddiqui? --Un assiolo (talk) 22:30, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Move Siddiqui (name) to Siddiqui as the primary topic and put a hatnote there. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:41, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- The redirect has history from 2005, whereas Siddiqui (name) is from 2020. Do a round robin swap instead. Jay 💬 17:51, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Rajeshwari Vilas Coffee Club
[edit]- Rajeshwari Vilas Coffee Club → Zee Telugu (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in target. Is a series aired on that channel, may belong at List of programmes broadcast by Zee Telugu but that page is up for deletion. Rusalkii (talk) 21:57, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Likewise Seethe Ramudi Katnam Rusalkii (talk) 22:35, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- ...and very very many others, all of which created by an editor blocked for paid editing User talk:RahulBodke. Propose to delete the lot. Rusalkii (talk) 22:40, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- If it belongs there, someone needs to add an entry. (And maybe add some sources, that list article is rather light on those.) 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 22:39, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: List of programmes broadcast by Zee Telugu is not, nor was up for deletion. Jay 💬 15:03, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oops, no idea what I managed to mix up with it. Thanks for the catch! Rusalkii (talk) 21:44, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
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SportAccord
[edit]- SportAccord → Global Association of International Sports Federations (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Removal/deletion of current redirect as it creates misleading impression. The redirect page reflects the name of a separate organization with its own initiatives whereas the target page reflects another organization that is now dissolved. In the current target page there's even a proposal on the Talk page from someone addressing this confusion. There should be a separate page and information about the redirect page of SportAccord JennyAnderson 2 (talk) 14:38, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hard to say, maybe we can just rename that GAISF article again to be SportAccord? Notified both WP:SPORTS and WP:Switzerland. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 03:22, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- It is hard, indeed. But I feel there would be value to having a separate SportAccord page as these are entirely different entities and it's tricky to combine them into one article efficiently as they have different structures, activities, missions. JennyAnderson 2 (talk) 09:27, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Indeed, that's why that SportAccord has its own Wikidata item just because of entirely different entities, but then it meets own notability for separating? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 00:46, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- It is hard, indeed. But I feel there would be value to having a separate SportAccord page as these are entirely different entities and it's tricky to combine them into one article efficiently as they have different structures, activities, missions. JennyAnderson 2 (talk) 09:27, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep since it is mentioned at the target, so I honestly see no reason for deletion. This is clearly a plausible redirect, and a valid {{R from move}}. CycloneYoris talk! 21:33, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Thomson.janet101 (talk) 10:49, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: I did some little digging into this.
- The website mentioned in GAISF infobox https://gaisf.sport currently redirects to https://sportaccord.sport However it only has links to some summits and does not mention of any list of member federations.
- Another website https://gaisf.org which is linked from some member federations' website (such as https://www.ilsf.org/about/recognition/gaisf/) says on its homepage "DISSOLUTION OF GAISF APPROVED AT EXTRAORDINARY GENERAL ASSEMBLY, RECORD ATTENDANCE OF MEMBERS, NEXT STEPS CLARIFIED". Opening the link takes us to [20] which explains the development in details including the role of SportAccord. Also, its history page says the following:
- 2003: GAISF in collaboration with the Association of Summer and Winter Olympic International Federations (ASOIF and AIOWF) launch the first SportAccord International Convention to answer a need from the IF’s which were looking to have a “one stop shop”, where they could all hold their annual meetings, be encouraged to network and share their knowledge.
- 2017: SportAccord is renamed GAISF (Global Association of International Sports Federations)
- 2022: Members approve dissolution of GAISF at Extraordinary General Assembly
- Honestly, I cannot construct a coherent history from this. If GAISF "launched" SportAccord, how did the latter also become "GAISF". Were there two bodies by the name of GAISF since 2017? If SportAccord was already remnamed in 2017, what is the SportAccord that functions currently? If someone knows more about this, it would be easier to make a decision. Thanks! —CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 20:04, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- @CX Zoom Indeed, I sent an email to SportAccord's staff to clarify their details of member structure, maybe less possible to wait for their reply. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 02:58, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Reply: Good point! I also did some digging and found a very helpful article that explains this confusion: [21]https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1049005/sportaccord-changes-name-to-global-association-of-international-sports-federations
- A quote from this link:
- "Adopting the Global Association of International Sports Federations name better represents the nature of the organisation and makes a clear distinction from the SportAccord Convention and any other commercial activities carried out under and on behalf of SportAccord/GAISF," GAISF said in a statement.
- Basically I think this shows why this current redirect is not accurate and SportAccord needs its own Wikipedia article - GAISF has always been a separate organization (which is now dissolved and doesn't exist) , whereas SportAccord Convention (now known as just SportAccord) is a separate thing too - a popular annual event with editions for over 20 years now. JennyAnderson 2 (talk) 15:04, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
metal age
[edit]- The Metal Age → Thief II (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Metal Age → Three-age system (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
different targets, and there's an article for the metal ages... which is itself divided into 3 ages, the last of which seems to be referred to as "the" metal age, even though they're grouped together because they're different metals. i'll vote for retargeting both of those to metal ages, unless someone actually knows their stuff cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:11, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate at Metal Age, then retarget The Metal Age there. I guess I know some stuff, and it looks like "Metal Age" or "The Metal Age" (both singular) could refer to:
- The Metal Ages (Copper, Bronze, Iron) in the traditional three age system, collectively – but this is more of a turn of phrase than a formal period [22][23][24]
- The Metal Age in the prehistory of Southeast Asia – a specific, formal period (presumably because bronze and iron arrived there simultaneously) [25][26][27][28][29][30]
- Hesiod's metallic ages (Gold, Silver, Bronze, Iron) [31][32][33]
- Thief II
- I don't see a primary topic amongst them and I'm also not sure about Metal Ages as standalone article, there's not much to say about them collectively other than that they all involved metal. @Iskandar323: What do you think? – Joe (talk) 07:54, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the ping Joe. I think they should both redirect to Metal Ages (though this should possibly move to the singular, both as best practice stylistically and apparently as the most common form in scholarship (Ngrams)). While the page as is stubby, it's for lack of attention, not for lack of material. The scholarly literature using the conceptual period grouping is considerable. The Metal Age in Southeast Asia might have a slightly different progression, but it is conceptually the same thing. Hesiod's idea within an idea mercifully has a quite different form. The Thief II title name is not something I think we need to be concerned with, any more than we need to disambiguate "resurrection" to account for the fourth installment of the Aliens franchise when directing to that topic. If a disambiguation page feels warranted, I would suggest linking to it with a hatnote from the Metal Ages page. Iskandar323 (talk) 09:56, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not too sure about combining the Metal Age of Southeast Asia and the "metal ages" of the rest of the world. In most of the Old World the Copper, Bronze, and Iron Ages are firmly distinct periods (the latter two being two of the original three ages) and referring to them together as either "the metal age" or "the metal ages" is honestly something I'd never come across until today (though Google Scholar tells me it happens). By contrast archaeologists of Southeast Asia consistently use it as a distinct, top-level period with the subdivisions early, developed, and proto-historic rather than copper, bronze, and iron. So we could write Metal Age Southeast Asia but not Metal Age Europe or Metal Age Southwest Asia because nobody really talks about that (instead we have Bronze Age Europe, Iron Age Europe). – Joe (talk) 10:57, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Perhaps. But it's somewhat academic at this point when a Metal Age of Southeast Asia page doesn't exist yet. I think the reason why the Metal Ages are emerging more and more as a reference point is because the three-age system is a bit dated and broken and underappreciates the major technology step of metallurgy. The stone age is also, in of itself, massive – comprising the paleolithic, mesolithic and neolithic, so it's generally pretty useless and unhelpful to group that with the bronze and iron ages, which are very distinct from the former. Iskandar323 (talk) 15:22, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not too sure about combining the Metal Age of Southeast Asia and the "metal ages" of the rest of the world. In most of the Old World the Copper, Bronze, and Iron Ages are firmly distinct periods (the latter two being two of the original three ages) and referring to them together as either "the metal age" or "the metal ages" is honestly something I'd never come across until today (though Google Scholar tells me it happens). By contrast archaeologists of Southeast Asia consistently use it as a distinct, top-level period with the subdivisions early, developed, and proto-historic rather than copper, bronze, and iron. So we could write Metal Age Southeast Asia but not Metal Age Europe or Metal Age Southwest Asia because nobody really talks about that (instead we have Bronze Age Europe, Iron Age Europe). – Joe (talk) 10:57, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the ping Joe. I think they should both redirect to Metal Ages (though this should possibly move to the singular, both as best practice stylistically and apparently as the most common form in scholarship (Ngrams)). While the page as is stubby, it's for lack of attention, not for lack of material. The scholarly literature using the conceptual period grouping is considerable. The Metal Age in Southeast Asia might have a slightly different progression, but it is conceptually the same thing. Hesiod's idea within an idea mercifully has a quite different form. The Thief II title name is not something I think we need to be concerned with, any more than we need to disambiguate "resurrection" to account for the fourth installment of the Aliens franchise when directing to that topic. If a disambiguation page feels warranted, I would suggest linking to it with a hatnote from the Metal Ages page. Iskandar323 (talk) 09:56, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep "The Metal Age", specifically, clearly refers to Thief II. There's no other convincing primary topic. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:16, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Zxcvbnm: How do you figure that? I don't think scholarly literature refers to the game. Iskandar323 (talk) 13:41, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Disambiguate per Joe. -- 65.92.247.96 (talk) 08:32, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
Grand Duke of Hum redirects
[edit]- Sandalj Hranić, Grand Duke of Hum → Sandalj Hranić (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Vlatko Vukovic, Grand Duke of Hum → Vlatko Vuković (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Vlatko Vuković, Grand Duke of Hum → Vlatko Vuković (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Extension to bio's name in the article tile is misnomer in form of implausible noble title. ౪ Santa ౪99° 01:59, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Article leads specify that they are Grand Dukes (of Bosnia), and have holdings in Hum... heck, Vlatko is specified to be a Duke of Hum. Seems plausible to me that someone would mash the two facts together when searching for this person. A redirect doesn't have to be accurate, and mistakes and misunderstandings are perfectly acceptable reasons to have a redirect. The target is also unambiguous here. Doesn't really matter if there actually is a "Grand Duke" title for Hum or not. Fieari (talk) 23:27, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
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- A cursory Google Books search for "grand duke of hum" and "veliki vojvoda humski" don't turn up these people, but it does turn up some other people, Stjepan Vukčić Kosača, Miroslav, Vojislav. Santasa99 what is the actual significance of this title, if any? --Joy (talk) 23:03, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, guys! Duke of Hum exists as a title, Grand Duke of Hum does not/did not, and there is very clear record about every known/recorded local nobleman and how he used to title himself - so no mystery there. In case of Vlatko Vuković and Sandalj Hranić they did not use title Duke of Hum either, they always signed themselves or were mentioned in charters as Grand Duke of Bosnia only. Many other local noblemen, even of lesser status than Vuković, Hranić, and later Vukčić (all members of Kosača clan) wore the Duke of Hum title - such as Sankovićs, Nikolićs, Vlatkovićs, etc. - simply there was no such title as Grand Duke of Hum, there was only Grand Duke of Bosnia as a title. Of all Kosača members, only Stjepan Vukčić wore both titles, the Duke of Hum and Grand Duke of Bosnia, and also Knez of Drina and of Primorje, and he almost always used full title. There was also nobility from earlier periods, but as far as I know nobility in pre-Bosnian medieval state era mostly wore title of knez (knyaz/prince) and župan. In short, title Grand Duke of Hum never existed. ౪ Santa ౪99° 00:17, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, I should have said from Early Middle Ages instead of pre-Bosnian state. ౪ Santa ౪99° 00:24, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- You can see every single recorded title in Konkordancijski rjecnik cirilskih povelja srednjovjekovne Bosne. ౪ Santa ౪99° 00:51, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, guys! Duke of Hum exists as a title, Grand Duke of Hum does not/did not, and there is very clear record about every known/recorded local nobleman and how he used to title himself - so no mystery there. In case of Vlatko Vuković and Sandalj Hranić they did not use title Duke of Hum either, they always signed themselves or were mentioned in charters as Grand Duke of Bosnia only. Many other local noblemen, even of lesser status than Vuković, Hranić, and later Vukčić (all members of Kosača clan) wore the Duke of Hum title - such as Sankovićs, Nikolićs, Vlatkovićs, etc. - simply there was no such title as Grand Duke of Hum, there was only Grand Duke of Bosnia as a title. Of all Kosača members, only Stjepan Vukčić wore both titles, the Duke of Hum and Grand Duke of Bosnia, and also Knez of Drina and of Primorje, and he almost always used full title. There was also nobility from earlier periods, but as far as I know nobility in pre-Bosnian medieval state era mostly wore title of knez (knyaz/prince) and župan. In short, title Grand Duke of Hum never existed. ౪ Santa ౪99° 00:17, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:57, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
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Kirby DS
[edit]there are 3 other kirby games on the ds, and squeak squad isn't even the first one cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:06, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom.—Alalch E. 14:04, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Kirby (series)#2005–2011: Touch-based gameplay where the Kirby DS games are discussed. -- Tavix (talk) 14:24, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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CheckUser
[edit]CNR. Should we retarget to Wiki#Security? Ahri Boy (talk) 06:40, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
Delete Wiki#Security has no info on checkusers or equivalent functions. Checkusers are not something which beginner editors, who might not realize the existence of the Wikipedia namespace, would search up. Ca talk to me! 11:14, 5 July 2024 (UTC)Keep Actually, I am convinced by the below arguments. CheckUser is Wikipedia specific(no room for confusion), and new users may come across the term checkuser in the examples provided below. Ca talk to me! 16:19, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: I think the question should be whether this is a potential useful redirect and whether it's unambiguous. I think it is, on both accounts. It being a cross-namespace redirect does not mean it's not useful. Those types of redirects aren't covered under WP:CSD R2, meaning, in certain cases, they're allowed. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:45, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- All Google results appear to be for Wikipedia and I'm not sure if there is much non Wikipedia usage. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:40, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Note that there is also Checkuser which should also be deleted or retargeted if this is closed as delete or retarget. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:49, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per WP:NAVELGAZING - no reliable sources (that I could find) discuss the topic, therefore there is no article to be made. Our myriad of jargony internal policy documents don't serve much of a purpose for readers looking for an encyclopedia article on this topic, which we do not have. Project pages are not articles, do not have the same standards, and are written for a completely different audience. If we really want to have cross-namespace redirects from reader-space into project-space, we should do it with a soft redirect, one that will advise the reader that we do not have an encyclopedia article on the topic they're looking for, but they can click through if they really want to see how the sausage is made; just dumping them into project space unawares is frankly kind of cruel. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 19:00, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Meh (weak keep). I see both sides of the argument. I agree with Ivanvector that there is likely no chance that CheckUser (be it the MediaWiki extension, the WMF implementation thereof, or anything else similar) is going to be a notable topic on its own. But I'm confused why that means that we need to delete it. We have multiple other CNRs from Main->Project, such as Administrators noticeboard (and variations), Autoconfirmed, Disambiguation page, Good article, and many more (can sift through Category:Redirects to project space to find more). Unless there's previously been a discussion that has resulted in a consensus that main->project redirects are not permitted... then what's the harm? If the topic isn't notable, there's a non-zero chance someone who, say, is checkuser blocked will simply search the term "Checkuser" on Wikipedia, and I don't think it serves them to not redirect them to our project space page explaining it. If the topic was potentially notable on its own, then making an article would be preferable - but I don't buy the argument that a blank/deleted page is better than a redirect if someone searches for it on Wikipedia. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 21:11, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Berchanhimez: redirects from the mainspace to project space are discouraged (see WP:CNR for the background) and frequently deleted. Exceptions do exist, most commonly (but not exclusively) where it is desirable that the target page is easy to find by very new users who haven't learned about namespaces yet (administrators noticeboard and Wikipedia help are examples). The second most common is for internal aspects that people outside the project will have heard of (or assume exist) and want to look up but which don't have an encyclopaedic target (e.g. good articles). Thryduulf (talk) 01:45, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- I find it unreasonable to think that those two are things a new user would be likely to search for, and not CheckUser, when CheckUser is used as a rationale for a block or referenced on those noticeboards sometimes. I am not saying they shouldn't be discouraged, but this is one that actually makes sense, in my view. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 02:47, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Berchanhimez: redirects from the mainspace to project space are discouraged (see WP:CNR for the background) and frequently deleted. Exceptions do exist, most commonly (but not exclusively) where it is desirable that the target page is easy to find by very new users who haven't learned about namespaces yet (administrators noticeboard and Wikipedia help are examples). The second most common is for internal aspects that people outside the project will have heard of (or assume exist) and want to look up but which don't have an encyclopaedic target (e.g. good articles). Thryduulf (talk) 01:45, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: There's nothing inherently wrong with CNRs. Our goal is to help the reader get to where they want to go. Anyone typing "CheckUser" into the search bar evidently wants to get to the project page. Deleting it is just removing a helpful, unambiguous redirect for no reason. C F A 💬 16:40, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete redirect to non-reader content. A reader would not be affected by a checkuser outcome, unless they edit. -- 65.92.247.96 (talk) 08:34, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. This is a useful CNR shortcut created by a well-established editor many years ago (2017) based on another CNR shortcut (Checkuser). That one was created by another well-established editor many years before that (2006). 1) Both are firmly "grandfathered in" CNRs, and 2) per WP:R#KEEP, R3, R4 and R5. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 01:41, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
Boss Brain
[edit]2024 assassination attempt
[edit]- 2024 assassination attempt → Attempted assassination of Donald Trump (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Too general. MSMST1543 (talk) 02:03, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
Redirect to List of assassinations or another article. There is no reason to believe that this, only 24ish hours after the news broke, will be the primary topic, and so a redirect should not have been created. I suspect there have also been quite a few attempted assassinations in 2024 that didn't occur in the USA, and so this could also be considered a US centric redirect. Failing a redirect, it should be deleted -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 02:10, 15 July 2024 (UTC)- As others have pointed out, there isn't really a good redirect target now, so I'm clarifying my !vote to support a disambiguation page being created at this page to list assassination (attempts) in 2024. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 03:56, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- I am against this redirect. The world doesn't revolve around America and its internal politics. This would perpetuate America-centric systemic bias on the site. JDiala (talk) 02:11, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I suppose this could be redirected to List of people who survived assassination attempts, though there is only one other attempt in 2024 listed on that article (an attempt on a South Korean MP). Attempted assassination of Donald Trump is clearly the primary topic at this point in the year, and we're not supposed to speculate on if that will change in the future. It is also a very plausible search term. C F A 💬 02:12, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- We aren't supposed to speculate either way. And it's obvious that calling something the primary topic "this point in the year" violates WP:RECENTISM. We don't change, or even create, redirects just because something is what you think is the primary topic right now. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 02:17, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Sure, you could argue it is recentism, but common sense is also useful here. This was an attempted assassination on a former US president, arguably the most powerful person in the world. It was the first time anything like this happened in more than 40 years. This is not a US news story, it's an international news story. Regardless, I'm not opposed to a redirect to the list. C F A 💬 02:24, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Common sense does not mean US-centric common sense. Your entire argument here is based on a US centric view that the only important assassination (attempt) in 2024 is the one against the former president of the US. And that's why I'm !voting to redirect to another topic or delete. Because that's not a valid argument. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 02:32, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- As I pointed out, there were only two assassination attempts in 2024 (so far) notable enough to be included in the list above. It's not really a US-centric approach because an assassination attempt against a former world leader (of arguably the most powerful country in the world) will inherently be more significant than the majority of other attempts, both in the country of origin and internationally. This was a story that was reported in local newspapers around the world. If a former president of South Korea and a congressman in the US were both targeted in assassination attempts, the one against the former president would be the primary topic. This doesn't have much to do with local bias. C F A 💬 02:45, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Common sense does not mean US-centric common sense. Your entire argument here is based on a US centric view that the only important assassination (attempt) in 2024 is the one against the former president of the US. And that's why I'm !voting to redirect to another topic or delete. Because that's not a valid argument. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 02:32, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Sure, you could argue it is recentism, but common sense is also useful here. This was an attempted assassination on a former US president, arguably the most powerful person in the world. It was the first time anything like this happened in more than 40 years. This is not a US news story, it's an international news story. Regardless, I'm not opposed to a redirect to the list. C F A 💬 02:24, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- We aren't supposed to speculate either way. And it's obvious that calling something the primary topic "this point in the year" violates WP:RECENTISM. We don't change, or even create, redirects just because something is what you think is the primary topic right now. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 02:17, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or dabify. It's not even the only attempt with its own article in 2024 (Robert Fico). Yet another example of Americentrism. LilianaUwU (talk / contributions) 02:48, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks. I knew I had seen another attempted assassination of a head of state/leader of a country in 2024, but I couldn't pinpoint it. For clarity, this fact should be considered part of my argument above. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 02:50, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- This is valid argument. I missed Robert Fico because he was not in the list of people who survived assassination attempts. There is no clear primary topic so I change my vote to disambiguate. C F A 💬 02:51, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate per Liliana, as Trump is not the only assassination attempt in 2024. Di (they-them) (talk) 03:20, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate: Yes, because there have been other attempts on other people, Trump isn't the center of the universe, and Wikipedia should not be so heavily focused on the US perspective etc. 72.14.126.22 (talk) 03:54, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete Robert Fico, Lee Jae-Myung, probably a dozen Russian businessmen, Volodymyr Zelenskyy and Mohammed Deif (for the umpteenth time) all can lay claim to that title. The US isn't special in that regard. Bremps... 05:45, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Bremps, or dabify at List of assassination attempts in 2024 or similar. Rosbif73 (talk) 09:28, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- This RfD concerns the fate of the page at the exact name of "2024 assassination attempt". A redirect is defined by its name. An RfD isn't needed to create new pages. About your idea for a new page: A page titled "List of assassination attempts in 2024" would be a list, not a dab. —Alalch E. 11:45, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate: as per above comments Lordseriouspig 10:11, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or disambig per above. This is too general to redirect to a single instance, the attempted assassination of Robert Fico, the prime minister of Slovakia, happened this year too (I've added it to the list article above, no idea why it wasn't there already). Google searches indicate that there have also been (events described as) assassination attempts made on Mohammed Deif and Volodymyr Zelensky at least. Thryduulf (talk) 11:05, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- My addition was reverted because, despite the article title, it isn't a list of people but a list of people who weren't current heads of state or government (the latter having a separate list). See also my proposed merger of the two lists. I oppose retargetting this redirect to either list. Thryduulf (talk) 23:37, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or retarget to anchor in List of people who survived assassination attempts. I created 2020 assassination attempt to illustrate (I don't think that this redirect and other such redirects are / would be especially good, but this not a WP:POINTed creation, as it is within acceptable bounds from my perspective). Oppose dab. A dab would practically duplicate the list, and WP:NOTDUP does not apply to disambiguation pages when the same content is served in a list (not a different navigation method—the navigation method provided would be essentially the same).—Alalch E. 11:42, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- The issue with a redirect is that there are two separate attempted assassination lists: List of people who survived assassination attempts and List of heads of state and government who survived assassination attempts. "2024 assassination attempt" does not refer to either one specifically so a redirect would be completely arbitrary. Thryduulf has proposed these two lists be merged, which I support, but unless that happens a disambiguation page would be the best option. Nothing is duplicated in this case when there are two separate all-time lists. C F A 💬 17:15, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete I agree its too generic since as noted there have been others. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:12, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:BIAS; search results would handle this fine without needing to manually compile a separate search index, which also would undoubtedly suffer from systemic bias based on several comments here. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 19:04, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to List of people who survived assassination attempts where there are two relevant cases --Lenticel (talk) 00:14, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- There is a third relevant case at List of heads of state and government who survived assassination attempts, neither is primary over the other. This is why I have (a) proposed merging (please give your input!) and (b) oppose retargetting to either one. Thryduulf (talk) 11:38, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
Template:Chilodontidae-stub
[edit]- Template:Chilodontidae-stub → Template:Chilodontaidae-gastropod-stub (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unused. Chilodontidae is a former spelling (now regarded as incorrect) for a gastropod family. Chiodontidae is a current, correct spelling for a fish family. See the Chilodontidae dab page. Template redirect uses the spelling for the fish family to redirect to a stub sorting template for the gastropod family Plantdrew (talk) 02:00, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
Donald Trump's ear
[edit]Bails
[edit]Double dual
[edit]- Double dual → Dual space#Injection into the double-dual (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Bidual → Strong dual space#Bidual (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These should probably point at the same target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:20, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- These are similar, but there's an important difference: the double dual is purely algebraic and completely general (basic linear algebra), while the bidual requires a topology and is much more specific, namely in functional analysis. They should reference and linked to each other as related and confusingly similar, but distinct.
- —Nils von Barth (nbarth) (talk) 18:27, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. It seems that "bidual" and "double dual" are used synonymously, although I have never heard of "double dual". However, there are two notions of biduals corresponding to two notions of duals: the algebraic dual formed by the linear forms and the topological dual formed by the continuous linear forms. So, I suggest to transform Bidual into a dab page with two entries and to redirect Double dual there. The entries could be labeled "in linear algebra" (for the present target of bidual) and "of a topological vector space" (for the present target of double dual). D.Lazard (talk) 18:53, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Note that these terms can occur in many notions of duality, see e.g. also Dual_cone_and_polar_cone#Properties. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:49, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- This is a further reason fora dab page. D.Lazard (talk) 20:19, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- A disambiguation page seems in order, given the multiple meanings of "double dual". I've drafted one at [34], linking to Bidual, and added a link from (the target of) Bidual back to Double dual at [35]. WDYT?
- I've heard the term "Double dual" used widely in linear algebra, group theory, etc., but this is the first I've heard of "Bidual", and it seems specific to the Topological Vector Spaces (though used specifically for normed spaces, Locally convex topological vector space, etc.). A quick check of Wikipedia and Google agrees.
- If someone more familiar with biduals wants to expand that to a dab too, no objections, but given the distinct uses, "double dual" and "bidual" aren't generally used synonymously and shouldn't be merged, despite the similar meaning ("dual of dual, in some context"). Notably algebraic duals or Pontryagin duality don't generally use the term "bidual".
- —Nils von Barth (nbarth) (talk) 05:27, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- At the very least "bidual" is still ambiguous between a subset of the meanings of "double dual". 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:41, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- This is a further reason fora dab page. D.Lazard (talk) 20:19, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Note that these terms can occur in many notions of duality, see e.g. also Dual_cone_and_polar_cone#Properties. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:49, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
List of most massive exoplanets
[edit]List of nearest free floating planetary mass objects
[edit]- List of nearest free floating planetary mass objects → Rogue planet#List (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unusable and unsearchable WP:XY redirect. Also, the redirect target doesn't contain a list of the nearest free floating planetary mass objects. 21 Andromedae (talk) 18:13, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- A list by distance could be created at the target. Otherwise I agree this should be deleted. SevenSpheres (talk) 18:29, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
Super Mario Wii 2: Galaxy Adventure Together
[edit]- Super Mario Wii 2: Galaxy Adventure Together → Super Mario Galaxy 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Super Mario Galaxy 2 is not known by this name. The article has only had this title for 16 minutes before being moved back. Mia Mahey (talk) 16:36, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. No mention of this title in article. Never released as this. Andrzejbanas (talk) 18:18, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - It is a proper title for the game in South Korea based on a few searches. Probably still a delete, though. --Super Goku V (talk) 03:35, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. This is the official Korean name for the game, it is also listed as so on the Mario Wiki. This could be added to the Wikipedia page as well. BigManBigChange (talk) 07:34, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- wp:rlang applies here. same reason a korean redirect for a kirby game got deleted 10 days ago. if a source is eventually found, it could potentially be added as a piece of info in the development section, but otherwise, nah. the same rationale applies to the nomination just below this one. delete cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:18, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The odd title is the result of last-minute changes brought due to the Korean Intelletual Property Office determinination that the original title conflicted with multiple pre-existing products. Strangely I can't find any source that covers this. Ca talk to me! 09:20, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
Super Mario Wii: Galaxy Adventure
[edit]Kangxi Radicals
[edit]- Kangxi Radicals → Kangxi Radicals (Unicode block) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Either Kangxi Radicals (Unicode block) sjhould be moved here, or it should point to Kangxi radical (where Kangxi radicals points). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:58, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Kangxi radicals. There is no reason why either different capitalisations or singular/plural should lead to different places. Thryduulf (talk) 12:51, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Not necessarily. See WP:DIFFCAPS. Also, Gods is the plural of God, but it redirects to Deity because the "God" article is limited to monotheism, which rejects the idea of gods in the plural. Nyttend (talk) 19:48, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- In general that's true - different capitalisations and pluralisations do sometimes appropriately lead to different places, however I was referring to this specific redirect (although I now see I wasn't clear about that): Kangxi radical, Kangxi Radical, Kangxi radicals and Kangxi Radicals should all lead to the same target. Thryduulf (talk) 00:01, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Not necessarily. See WP:DIFFCAPS. Also, Gods is the plural of God, but it redirects to Deity because the "God" article is limited to monotheism, which rejects the idea of gods in the plural. Nyttend (talk) 19:48, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
Best Year Ever
[edit]- Best Year Ever → Best Week Ever (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The page title could also refer to the SpongeBob 20th anniversary celebration known as "Best Year Ever". Retarget to SpongeBob SquarePants#Twentieth anniversary or disambiguate? 1033Forest (talk) 03:44, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig. Unsurprisingly this is a very common title for references, but in addition to the current target and the SpongeBob Squarepants targets I've found I Love...#Best Year Ever… (More4), Amelia's Best Year Ever (Amelia's Notebooks#Elementary school), and a Doctor Who episode (Doctor Who: The Eighth Doctor Adventures#Series 4 (2022)), none of which seem primary. It wouldn't surprise me if there are more as this is not an easy thing to search for (which also means search results will be extremely unhelpful so we definitely should not delete this). Thryduulf (talk) 13:00, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
QTPOC
[edit]- QTPOC → LGBT (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- QTIPOC → QTPOC (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at the target page, or at List of LGBT-related acronyms. Un assiolo (talk) 22:25, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- I believe this should point to Person of color. But since it's not mentioned there, Wiktionary could solve the problem. It should be noted that this abbreviation is mentioned here, here Web-julio (talk) 01:04, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- and here, here, and here. many others Web-julio (talk) 01:05, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- QTIPOC also exists. Web-julio (talk) 01:05, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Which I added to the nomination. Dsuke1998AEOS (talk) 19:33, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - someone added it to List of LGBT-related acronyms now with sourcing, so either keep the current redirect to LGBT or change the redirect to the list article. Raladic (talk) 00:26, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
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Crows in popular culture
[edit]Virgin Marinara
[edit]Sharp Willcom D4
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 July 21#Sharp Willcom D4
Dinglehopper
[edit]Jongmyo system
[edit]Speedy Mouse
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Imperial Royalty
[edit]- Imperial Royalty → Imperial Majesty (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This term does not appear in the target article. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:58, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- I guess Royalty and Majesty are somewhat synonymous. Josethewikier (talk) 02:59, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per above, since both words are synonymous. CycloneYoris talk! 04:03, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. The words are not exact synonyms, and, more imporatntly, "Imperial Majesty" is a title, but "Imperial Royalty" isn't. Emperors can referred to as "His Imperial Majesty", but no ruler has ever been called "His Imperial Royalty". The redirect as it stands is misleading. If it's to be kept, Emperor would be a better target. Tevildo (talk) 17:57, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - Imperial and Royal, Imperial–royal, Imperial and Royal Highness, Imperial and Royal Majesty, are just a small selection of targets where this could reasonably point. Unless it can be established that this term is actually used in this form for one or more topics we cover, this should likely be deleted as vague. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 21:54, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to King-Emperor. They're not synonymous; in the context of monarchy, "imperial" refers to emperors/empresses, and "royalty" only to kings/queens, a lesser dignity. This article is general, not country-specific like "Imperial-royal" or "Imperial and Royal", and the redirect title is about a concept, not about a title like "Imperial and Royal Highness" or "Imperial and Royal Majesty". Nyttend (talk) 19:54, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per Nyttend. All the other proposed targets are specific to a particular context, whereas King-Emperor is a broad concept article. Rosbif73 (talk) 11:32, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
AC4460CW
[edit]Invasion of Mexico
[edit]- Invasion of Mexico → Mexican–American War (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Overly broad term; no evidence that it is linked only to this specific war. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:47, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. If there are other wars this term might describe, this one is overwhelming likely to be the one intended. The others can be listed in a disambiguation page linked on a hat note. Shankar Sivarajan (talk) 03:25, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep or disambig. Other things referred to by this term according to my searches include United States occupation of Veracruz, Spanish conquest of the Aztec Empire (redirect from Spanish conquest of Mexico), Pastry War and Second French intervention in Mexico. If there is a primary topic then it is the current target but I'm not completely convinced there is. Thryduulf (talk) 08:29, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig. The various wars listed by Thryduulf are perfect fuel for creating a dab page; while the Mexican-American war should probably be the first war listed on the page, it's not primary enough to be directly redirected to. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 21:40, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate per Lunamann; obviously Mexico has been invaded several times. If I didn't know better, I'd expect this to cover the reign of Maximilian. Nyttend (talk) 19:56, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- That was the invasion that came to my mind first, but I was also a French major. A disambiguation page would be totally appropriate. Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:01, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
Micropropaganda
[edit]Jah Morant
[edit]Formicapunk
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Verlag für Sozialwissenschaften
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 July 20#Verlag für Sozialwissenschaften
Nueva Mexicanas
[edit]
Moo Moo Meadows
[edit]Mario Circuit
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Bolsover (borough)
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Teemo
[edit]Not mentioned; delete unless a suitable target can be found. Queen of Hearts talk 17:48, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Before Arcane, one of the main "mascots" of League. Useful if someone wants to know where the naming of Gothus Teemo comes from for an example in wider culture of just last week. (Note that Teemo probably could be mentioned, but as a Featured Article, the League article is maintained pretty strictly, so it might be arguably under-inclusive in the name of keeping the highest level of sourcing.) SnowFire (talk) 22:55, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Turn into disambiguation page now that G. teemo has an article. SnowFire (talk) 20:28, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep Could probably merit a small sentence-long mention based on this article regarding League's impact on popular culture. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:28, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep given its use on Gothus teemo. Wouldn't be against it being mentioned on the main article, given that the crab is the first species to be named after a League of Legends character, although that's probably to be discussed on the talk page. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 16:05, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support disambig per SnowFire. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 13:36, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
Mohamn1ed Ali F owza
[edit]Varsity (upcoming film)
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Ōkami Amaterasu
[edit]Gusty Garden Galaxy
[edit]North West Leicestershire by-election, 2010
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Sonic Wiild Fire
[edit]- Sonic Wiild Fire → Sonic and the Secret Rings (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
either an implausible misspelling or an implausible pun. i don't know which outcome is worse, but the term doesn't seem to see much (if any) use in the context of sonic, with or without a space cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:35, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment/Weak Keep - Article has mention of "Sonic Wild Fire" as the game's original working title, and a single doubling of a character is a potentially plausible typo, so I don't see a need to go out of our way to delete this thing, but I'll grant that searching the original working title to begin with is a rare proposition, so it's not like I feel strongly about this one. (Entirely possible the redirect creator was making a Wii system pun) Fieari (talk) 06:11, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep: per WP:CHEAP. The game was previously named Sonic Wild Fire so the target makes sense. I see no reason to delete. C F A 💬 21:17, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Sonic Wild Fire exists, and it does not seem as though the misspelling in the nominated redirect has wide-use, if any. Might as well scrap this thing. Steel1943 (talk) 16:16, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Steel. It was created in 2006, and the properly titled redirect was created less than 3 months later. No information on whether "Wii" was a pun or a typo. Jay 💬 17:31, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Mystic Ruins
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 July 22#Mystic Ruins
Biographies of living persons
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 July 19#Biographies of living persons
Extoskelitan
[edit]Skeltal
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One PIece
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 July 19#One PIece
M-Block
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Pokémon incident
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 July 19#Pokémon incident
EP038
[edit]Heartless Angel
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바나나
[edit]Ramshackle
[edit]Australia national soccer team
[edit]ZeroNaseone
[edit]Naked Rugby League 2007-08
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Samantha Payne (director)
[edit]WIFJAJC
[edit]Wikipedia:Protection policy/Padloacks
[edit]Right-wing media
[edit]Håndboldligaen redirects
[edit]Bigrigs
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big rigs redirects with no space
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Active worlds in the Solar System
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 July 22#Active worlds in the Solar System
Super Smash Bros. 6
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Porch monkey
[edit]- Porch monkey → List of ethnic slurs#P (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Porch Monkey → List of ethnic slurs#P (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No longer mentioned at target. The second redirect is fully protected, so I cannot tag it. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:33, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- It is mentioned at List of ethnic slurs and epithets by ethnicity, although that article does seem like a WP:CFORK to me. 162 etc. (talk) 02:45, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- I agree that List of ethnic slurs and epithets by ethnicity and List of ethnic slurs have a CFORK problem; the only difference scope-wise is sorting order, with the original target being alphabetically sorted by the slurs and the other list being sorted by target ethnicity. This issue should probably be resolved (and the two pages possibly re-merged) before we figure out where this should target. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 13:04, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note I've added the RfD tag to the second redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 12:01, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Porch sitting#In popular culture where it is mentioned and expounded upon. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 07:20, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- But unsourced, and I have just added a {{cn}} there. Jay 💬 16:57, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 13:33, 10 July 2024 (UTC)- @Jay: I added a reference. The wording may need to be updated to reflect the reference (but it seemed generally okay). Better references very likely also exist. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 20:59, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- I tried to convert it to a {{cite book}} but the save errored out with
An automated filter has identified this edit as containing references to one of the following self-publishing companies: ..., Lulu.com, Xlibris, or Grosvenor House Publishing. Please be aware that self-published sources may be vanity publishing and rarely meet Wikipedia's standards for reliable sources.
. I have re-tagged it with {{Better source needed}}. Jay 💬 14:21, 18 July 2024 (UTC)- @Jay: Added another. Bloomsbury Publishing should be fine (I believe they made a foray into self-publishing at one point, but not at the time this one was published). Better sources likely exist still (I just haven't the time to sift them out for the next while). — Godsy (TALKCONT) 10:53, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Looks good. I converted it to a {{cite book}}. Jay 💬 05:03, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Jay: Added another. Bloomsbury Publishing should be fine (I believe they made a foray into self-publishing at one point, but not at the time this one was published). Better sources likely exist still (I just haven't the time to sift them out for the next while). — Godsy (TALKCONT) 10:53, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- I tried to convert it to a {{cite book}} but the save errored out with
- @Jay: I added a reference. The wording may need to be updated to reflect the reference (but it seemed generally okay). Better references very likely also exist. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 20:59, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Porch sitting#In popular culture. Provides the most amount of info to readers, now sourced. Ca talk to me! 15:49, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
redirects to unmanned combat aerial vehicle
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 July 18#redirects to unmanned combat aerial vehicle
Digimon World Re:Digitize
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 July 17#Digimon World Re:Digitize
Digimon world:re:digitize
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malformed digimon redirects
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Lucas(Mother 3)
[edit]Observatorio tecnológico
[edit]Sdn Bhd
[edit]- Sdn Bhd → Private company limited by shares (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Sendirian Berhad → Private company limited by shares (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention in article Isla🏳️⚧ 00:50, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment added Sendirian Berhad to this nomination (the expansion of the abbreviation sdn bhd, which points to the same target). Best course of action here might be to add a mention at some existing Malaysia-specific article (e.g. Companies Commission of Malaysia) where it could fit as a subtopic, and retarget there temporarily as a {{R with possibilities}}. The current target is extremely UK-specific. 59.149.117.119 (talk) 06:20, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hey man im josh (talk) 12:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)- Retarget Sdn Bhd refers to a malaysian public company. Sendririnan Berhad is not a person but a longer version. I agree with the IP though, the current article is very UK-specific. 48JCL 12:40, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Participants agree that retargeting would be the best outcome, but it is currently unclear where these two redirects should target.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 07:34, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - Is this term just a foreign language term for the same thing? In that case we should delete per WP:RFOR. Alternatively, is there a distinction that would make this more like a proper name for the concept, being brought into the English corpus as a loanword? In that case we should delete it to WP:RETURNTORED and encourage a proper article to explain the difference. Fieari (talk) 23:18, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Is this term just a foreign language term for the same thing?
No. It's the Malay (and possibly Malaysian English?) term for a type of Malaysian legal entity that is roughly equivalent to, but not the same as, the British legal entity. Thryduulf (talk) 20:37, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment List of legal entity types by country#Malaysia tells me this is a type of corporation in Malaysia that is approximately equivalent to Private company limited by shares in the UK, which is in turn approximately equivalent to GmbH in Germany, Austria and Switzerland, Société à responsabilité limitée in France (and some other French-speaking countries), Aktiebolag in Sweden, Proprietary company in Australia, South Africa and Namibia, etc. I'm undecided though whether retargetting to the list or deleting per WP:REDLINK is best. Thryduulf (talk) 20:37, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Another relist because of the latest comments that suggest a new direction. Also notified of this discussion at the talk pages of the suggested targets and the redirect creator.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 08:18, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
Puddle thinking
[edit]
World War 5
[edit]Scared Silly
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Snuffleupagas
[edit]Chhota Bheem 2
[edit]- Chhota Bheem 2 → Chhota Bheem and the Throne of Bali (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Chhota Bheem 3 → Chhota Bheem (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Chhota Bheem 4 → Chhota Bheem: Kung Fu Dhamaka (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
All redirects were created on the same day by the same creator as a chronological search aid for theatrical films in order of release for the series. Apart from animated films, Chhota Bheem also has a live action film and is a television series. Lack of "film" in the redirect titles was a factor in the deletion of Chhota Bheem 1 and Chhota Bheem 5 at the recently closed RfD WP:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 25#Chhota Bheem 1. Chhota Bheem 3 redirects back to the parent article that has no listed chronology. I would recommend deletion consistent with the already deleted ones. Jay 💬 22:20, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- As I mentioned in the linked RfD, the lack of 'film' in the title wasn't my issue with Chhota Bheem 1 and Chhota Bheem 5-- the issue I had was that the redirect target was incorrect, pointing to Chhota Bheem and the Curse of Damyaan (2012 film) instead of the actual first and fifth films: Chhota Bheem Aur Krishna and Chhota Bheem: Journey to Petra. (You may notice that both of those redirect to the Chhota Bheem page itself-- that's because we don't have information on those films.)By that logic:
- Chhota Bheem 2 should redirect to Chhota Bheem and Ganesh in the Amazing Odyssey. Retarget appropriately.
- Chhota Bheem 3 should redirect to Chhota Bheem Aur Krishna in Pataliputra, a page that does not exist. Delete.
- Chhota Bheem 4 should redirect to Bheem vs Aliens, which itself is a redirect to Chhota Bheem-- we don't have a page on this movie. Delete.
- 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 03:41, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Delete all per nom. M S Hassan (talk) 04:15, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
The Halberd
[edit]E.Π.Ε.Κ.
[edit]Ichtyol
[edit]Shiitake mashrooms
[edit]Wicked Ways Garbage song
[edit]Port Royal, Richmond County, Nova Scotia
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Saint John Rivers
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Super Nintend
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Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney(Episodes)
[edit]Your Mileage May Vary
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Brown hat
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The two Johns
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This Might Be A Wiki
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Pignas
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Line 4 (Singapore MRT)
[edit]Notorious Software Patents
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Acoustic punk
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Moscow City
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Mexican Avocado Dispute
[edit]The North Caucasus
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Paper Bowser
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City of Auckland
[edit]- City of Auckland → Auckland City (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The City of Auckland is a distinct entity from Auckland City. It is not discussed in proper detail in the Auckland article nor the Auckland City article. I do believe it has the merits to meet notability on it's own: e.g. https://www.gutenberg.org/files/46925/46925-h/46925-h.htm Deletion would be the best option as it doesn't mislead readers into a different entity and might encourage someone to create an article on it. Traumnovelle (talk) 22:25, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep All that's needed is to tag it with Template:R with possibilities. I've done so. Schwede66 08:39, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- I still don't believe it's a good redirect. Auckland City is completely different to the City of Auckland. It'd be like having New York County redirect to New York City. It is only a partial continuation in area and most of Auckland City's area is from the County of Eden. The term being redirected serves to confuse the reader into thinking City of Auckland (note the important capitalisation as a proper noun) is just another name for Auckland or Auckland City. Traumnovelle (talk) 09:14, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Write content seems to be the obvious answer here. It needn't be more than a short paragraph detailing the status, extent, etc. on whichever of Auckland or Auckland City is the broader. This redirect can then be targetted there. Thryduulf (talk) 09:43, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe there should be an article on the district that has existed since 2010 just like City of York deals with the district that was created in 1996 even though there was one that existed from 1835 to 1996. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:43, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
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- I agree there should be content but in the absence of it I do not believe the current redirect is appropriate as it is misleading. Traumnovelle (talk) 04:09, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:RETURNTORED. The current target is misleading, there's potential for an article, redlinking it can encourage article creation. Fieari (talk) 06:56, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Convert to disambiguation page with links to Auckland, Auckland City and City of Auckland (New Zealand electorate). If more flexibility is desired that what is allowed by the disambiguation page guideline, then convert to a set index article, which would allow for more explanation and inclusion of a red link to a possible future article. Nurg (talk) 08:23, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support set index article. Don't support disambiguation unless it mentions the former City of Auckland. Traumnovelle (talk) 23:39, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
Mario Paint Wii
[edit]Elpincha:2D
[edit]Sportacus 9
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Sportacandy
[edit]Tone (color)
[edit]- Tone (color) → Lightness (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Tone (color theory) → Tint, shade and tone (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These two redirects should point to the same article. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:40, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Tone is an ambiguous term? There are separate articles about color and color theory – and color science! – and colorimetry and color appearance model! In English, "tone" has many meanings; the applicable meaning here is " The shade or quality of a colour." (disambiguation of an ambiguous term by a definition which uses more ambiguous terms). Is there really such a thing as color quality (quality (color)?? – wbm1058 (talk) 10:02, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 17:00, 8 July 2024 (UTC)- Target both to Tint, shade and tone. The Lightness article has four mentions of the word Tone according to ctrl-f: the first is a link to Tint, shade and tone that pretty much rephrases that article's title ("Tints, shades, and tones"), the second is a See Also link that also goes to Tint, shade and tone, the third is a third link to Tint, shade and tone, this time as part of the Color Topics template, and the fourth is a link to Pantone that's also in the Color Topics template. From this we can easily deduce that the information someone looking for when they search Tone (color) is *not* on the Lightness page itself, and is instead on the Tint, Shade and Tone page. Retarget as appropriate. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 17:25, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget Tone (color theory) to Color theory#Tints and shades, while altering the section heading and including a brief mention of tone. Delete Tone (color) as vague, unless a strong and unambiguous target can be presented (unmentioned at color). — Godsy (TALKCONT) 16:46, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget both to Tint, shade and tone per Lunamann. If someone wants some other meaning of tone in relation to colour they can find it from that article. Thryduulf (talk) 12:51, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
Bawang putih
[edit]Skorodon
[edit]Microsoft® Windows® Operating System® Redirects With Pointless Legalese© Unicode® Characters™
[edit]Tighten
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Wikipedia:Lua cites
[edit]The Three Mage-Sisters
[edit]Shinespark
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Nuzlocke
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Hardcore Gamer (website)
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
[edit]2015-16 Missouri Valley Conference men's basketball season
[edit]Philippe, Charles
[edit]Brohoof
[edit]Blagger
[edit]Botswanan
[edit]It should redirect to Motswana. Not sure why this got reverted, the authority is wikitionary or however you spell it. Botswanan is not a proper word. [36] [37] [38] [39] [40] [41] [42] [43] [44] OK I think I’ve made my point. 48JCL 01:54, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- oops wrong place 48JCL 01:55, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- @48JCL: I have reverted your bold retarget and restored the redirect with the RfD tag as nominated to allow for proper consensus to be reached on where to target this. As stated at WP:RFD,
please do not unilaterally rename or change the target of a redirect while it is under discussion
. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 04:27, 18 June 2024 (UTC) - Comment 48JCL I think you maybe need to give a bit more of an argument for why it should be retargeted. Even if Botswanan isn't a "proper" word I think for most readers the main Botswana article is a good target; it also mentions the Tswana people in the lead paragraph for example. Skynxnex (talk) 15:22, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- "Botswanan" not being 'a proper word' isn't really an issue-- the question is if it's *a plausible word*. Adding an -n, -an, or -ian suffix to the name of a place is a typical English way of signifying "from this place" or "people from this place", see American, Mexican, Canadian, Italian, ect, just like "-ish" (English, Spanish, ect) or "-ese" (Japanese, Chinese, Portuguese, ect). I can easily see someone unfamiliar with the term Batswana to invent terms like Botswanese, Botswanish, or, yes, Botswanan.That said, I would
Retargetto the Tswana DAB, simply to match the other 'from this place' words above. The searcher is clearly looking for information on *something* from Botswana- let's both inform them of the correct term, AND offer up the multiple meanings for said word. After all, who's to say they're not looking for the language they speak in Botswana? 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 15:46, 18 June 2024 (UTC)- Comment @Lunamann, the proper denonym is at Motswana. 48JCL 13:14, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- That... definitely presents an issue, given part of the reason I targeted the Tswana DAB was its link to Tswana language; many demonyms also serve as a name for the language that group uses (see English, Chinese, German, ect); and given Botswanan is a made-up and incorrect demonym, there's really nothing stopping someone from also using it as an incorrect name for the language.The only idea I have is, to retarget to the Motswana DAB, and then add a See Also that targets the Tswana DAB? 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 14:10, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Lunamann: Yes, that does seem to be a problem; I will ping Lefcentreright and John, who were able to somewhat eradicate the term from the Wikipedia and replace it with proper terms. 48JCL 22:33, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- That... definitely presents an issue, given part of the reason I targeted the Tswana DAB was its link to Tswana language; many demonyms also serve as a name for the language that group uses (see English, Chinese, German, ect); and given Botswanan is a made-up and incorrect demonym, there's really nothing stopping someone from also using it as an incorrect name for the language.The only idea I have is, to retarget to the Motswana DAB, and then add a See Also that targets the Tswana DAB? 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 14:10, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment @Lunamann, the proper denonym is at Motswana. 48JCL 13:14, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to the dab per Lunamann. The word appears in dictionaries (Cambridge, Oxford) and is used by reliable sources such as the United States Mission to the United Nations, Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the People's Republic of China, Cardiff University and Florida State University among others as well as lots of other sites I haven't bothered to assess for reliability. Even if it isn't a "proper word" (which seems doubtful given that evidence) it is very much a plausible search term. Thryduulf (talk) 16:53, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment What about creating a disambiguation page that points to Botswana, Tswana people and Tswana language? --Error (talk) 09:48, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- I think this is the better solution. The sources that Thryduulf has included in their comment show that "Botswanan" refers just as much to the country itself as it does to the people or language. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 18:30, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- I wouldn't be opposed to this. Support. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 19:39, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- I have no objections to this. Thryduulf (talk) 10:36, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support this, sounds like the most helpful solution. BugGhost🪲👻 09:48, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- I have no objections. If this is closed, the result would probably be like merge 2 articles and retarget to disambiguation. 48JCL 01:48, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
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Petapixel
[edit]Trial by jury
[edit]Voi.id
[edit]2025 FIVB Men's Volleyball Nations League
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2025 FIVB Women's Volleyball Nations League
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Nabbit
[edit]Harry Patterson
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QTPOC
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Santjordia
[edit]Kemosabe (Kesha album)
[edit]Wikipedia:VN
[edit]Crows in popular culture
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Stavros Kremos
[edit]Albumoftheyear.org
[edit]Siddiqui
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Rajeshwari Vilas Coffee Club
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Raymoo
[edit]- Raymoo → List of Touhou Project characters#Reimu Hakurei (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
raymoo hackery is a name generally only seen in shitposts, and i'd honestly be surprised if anyone not nose deep on every touhou rabbit hole knew about it. fittingly, not mentioned in the target, implausible as an actual search (unless you're me), and google gave me nothing reliable cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:03, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Tentative Keep and tag as meme. It's plausible that someone finds one of said shitposts, doesn't know how the original name is spelled, and searches "raymoo" to find info on Reimu. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 22:53, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Tentative Keep. I personally believe that it is a genuine misspelling or respelling, but you would probably be hard-pressed to find a reliable source that mentions it being a meme or shitpost. Honestly, I don't even remember making this redirect in 2012, but I doubt that "Raymoo Hackery" ever crossed my mind since we would be discussing a "Raymoo Hackery" redirect as well. Regardless, the outcome doesn't really matter to me, so do what you may. — Nameless(?) 13:09, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- in your defense, it's funny cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:18, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:56, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. I doubt Wikipedia would be the first place a person searching for info on Reimu would turn to. --Un assiolo (talk) 22:33, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: per nom. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 • [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 05:14, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia:PDP
[edit]
Brexit means breakfast
[edit]Furiosa Road
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Minor league player redirects
[edit]Peanut butter burger
[edit]Karli Smith
[edit]Ruby and Sapphire
[edit]1.7 International Networking Working Group
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Frank Blackmore (Emmerdale)
[edit]Sdn Bhd
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Chhota Bheem 1
[edit]Factory owner
[edit]Drake LaRoche
[edit]Kristian Taska
[edit]Hendrik Sal-Saller
[edit]Template:WikiProject Open Access/OAFD
[edit]Emigration from North Korea
[edit]The Hollies' Greatest Hits (1968 West German album)
[edit]- The Hollies' Greatest Hits (1968 West German album) → The Hollies (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I can't find anything in Enwiki about a 1968 album, here, or at The Hollies discography (which in any case would be a better target). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:27, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Hollies' Greatest, a 1968 Greatest Hits album by The Hollies that was released in Germany. Thryduulf (talk) 09:51, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per Thryduulf - looks like that's the intended article BugGhost🪲👻 09:07, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Hollies' Greatest is a British album released by Parlophone. Per the edit history, the West German album was released by Hansa Records. The track listings are also different, which all but confirms these are different pressings. -- Tavix (talk) 16:12, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- I can't find any non–user generated sources, but I'm fairly certain that the West German album and Hollies' Greatest are in fact separate (they seem to have separate covers for one), so that is not a good retargeting option. Retargeting to the discography would be a good option if it was on there, but it's not, and I know too little about the area to properly search for sources to add it to the discography. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 21:48, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Agree with Tavix and Skarmory that there is no target. Restore and tag as unreferenced. Jay 💬 17:58, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
Tom (programming language)
[edit]Druisk
[edit]
Talk:COVID-19/Current consensus
[edit]Kazakh Guide Association
[edit]Matriotism
[edit]Peanut butter burger
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Fourth mode of transport
[edit]Intruder alert
[edit]Ruby and Sapphire
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2024 Dublin Bay North by-election
[edit]Intruder Alert! Intruder Alert!
[edit]Technical music
[edit]Bienver metal
[edit]Under the influence of alcohol
[edit]Electric Turbo
[edit]- Electric Turbo → Porsche Taycan (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The Porsche Taycan 'Turbo' models don't actually have a turbocharger, it's just a namesake for a higher-performance model of a car. In that sense, it's kinda misleading. I did a google search, and 'electric turbo' doesn't seem to be a common nickname for the Taycan Turbo models either. Now, looking at retarget options, there does exist electric supercharger (I know technically there's no such thing as an "electric turbo" but that's what {{R from incorrect name}} is for), but having a look at that article, there also exists electrically-assisted turbocharger, so I'm not sure where to retarget it to. — AP 499D25 (talk) 06:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig between electrically-assisted turbocharger and electric supercharger. The term seems to be used for both. Thryduulf (talk) 09:25, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to electrically assisted turbocharger - most logical destination for someone searching the term. --Sable232 (talk) 14:44, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Disambiguate the term can also refer to electric-motor-assist power boost (ie. hybrid vehicle with electric assist drive mode, to add power to the gasoline engine's power output) as "turbo" can just refer to a power boost. -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 07:55, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Retarget to electrically assisted turbocharger per Sable.I tried drafting a dab, but could not. Electric supercharger has electrically assisted turbocharger as a section, so I do not know if non-turbocharger superchargers are known as Turbo too. Jay 💬 05:55, 28 June 2024 (UTC)- Struck in favour of the below. I don't know if "Electric Turbo" is used to refer to even electrically-assisted turbocharger. Jay 💬 08:29, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete at this capitalisation, which infers a proper noun. Electric turbo is red. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:09, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Shhhnotsoloud. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:25, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Revisit by the nominator: I would agree with deletion of this particular redirect, recommended by the voters above. The capitalised 'T' does make it sound more like a brand name than a noun. I ran a trademark search (e.g. [45]), and it's not registered anywhere. — AP 499D25 (talk) 05:21, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm still in favour of disambiguation. The term is used in the real world for multiple encyclopaedic things - disambiguation exists to deal with that exact scenario. It can be moved to the lowercase title or a redirect created from that capitalisation, whichever is preferred, as long as people using this search term don't find a red link that's what matters. Thryduulf (talk) 19:00, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- You may draft one, if you see it feasible. As I mentioned, I tried, and could not come up for your two suggested entries. Jay 💬 21:17, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
Szökés
[edit]Conjunctival pallor
[edit]Anagrams as establishment of priority
[edit]Hurt (Witt Lowry song)
[edit]Orange star
[edit]Doug Lawrence
[edit]French-speakers outside of Quebec
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Ragnarock music
[edit]Untitled Beetlejuice sequel
[edit]Raisi
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Roman Catholid Diocese of Down and Connor
[edit]IRC +10414
[edit]- IRC +10414 → IRC −10414 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Procedural listing; a previous RfD was closed with a consensus to retarget, but InTheAstronomy32 has reverted this. SevenSpheres (talk) 18:44, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as a misspelling. I changed the redirect target because i believe that 'IRC +10414' is a misspelling of IRC -10414 and is the better redirect target so far. An article about this star likely will be never created due to notability issues. InTheAstronomy32 (talk) 18:48, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Two-Micron Sky Survey per previous RFD. IRC +10414 refers to this star, not IRC -10414, which is this star. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 18:48, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete This was never an article, and it isn't mentioned at either target. No pageviews in the last month. I really don't see how this redirect is helpful. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:18, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Agreed with Presidentman here and Kusma from the prefious RfD, but I'd like to add that the naming scheme of the star is very intentional (from Two-Micron Sky Survey:
index consists of two numbers - declination rounded to multiplier of 10 degrees, with sign, and star ordinal number within declination band
) and if you typo the sign you should expect to be taken to a different star or nowhere. ― Synpath 23:20, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget per the consensus of arguments in the previous RfD, which I find more compelling than the alternatives. Thryduulf (talk) 11:52, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, not mentioned at Two-Micron Sky Survey, and people looking for the other star and making the typo might believe that the star actually doesn't have a standalone article, while a red link can be more indicative of them having made a typo. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 19:22, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete it isn't a usable misspelling since it is a different star. That star is not currently in Wikipedia. so either stub up an article, or delete the redirect -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 08:04, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- An article about IRC +10414 is likely to be never created, it is just a faint Mira variable that fails WP:NASTRO. Deleting also would not be helpful, it is better to retain this page as a redirect to IRC -10414 since it is a plausible misspelling. 21 Andromedae (talk) 19:12, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note to closers that user 21 Andromedae was formerly called InTheAstronomy32 alluded to in the nomination, and who voted under the former name. Jay 💬 03:15, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Redirecting to a two-paragraph stub that does not mention the term is far more confusing than helpful. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:29, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Then just redirect with IRC -10414 as i suggested. 21 Andromedae (talk) 21:40, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Metal (group)
[edit]बालवीर
[edit]Wikipedia:Michael Aarons
[edit]Bible Videos
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2023-24 Major Clubs Limited Over Tournament
[edit]LATAM
[edit]1930–31 Notre Dame Fighting Irish men's basketball team
[edit]- 1930–31 Notre Dame Fighting Irish men's basketball team → Notre Dame Fighting Irish men's basketball (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Redirect should be deleted so editors know which seasons still need to be made, otherwise every season would be a redirect. poketape (talk) 21:45, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to List of Notre Dame Fighting Irish men's basketball seasons: It's a possibly useful redirect and the fact that redirects for all of the seasons haven't been created doesn't mean that this isn't useful. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:10, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. Looking at {{Notre Dame Fighting Irish men's basketball navbox}}, blue links are articles, not redirects. 1930–31 is the odd one out, and gives the false impression that we have an article on it. Reywas92's edit summary while making the redirect said
merge to main
, but I don't see that a merge was done. Jay 💬 04:08, 12 June 2024 (UTC) - Restore article. The "merge" (actually just a redirect) by Reywas92 was under the mistaken rationale that it was not an article. It seems like the actual reasoning would be due to a dispute at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1979–80 Notre Dame Fighting Irish men's basketball team, which was kept. Of course this article would need to be expanded, but something is better than nothing. -- Tavix (talk) 18:08, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or Retarget per Hey man im josh, as the list of seasons was split off after I redirected the page. A merge was in fact already done because there was literally nothing to merge and the main article already had all the information this had (none but the duplicative infobox) but perhaps the summary could have been clearer. No, a single tautologial sentence is not an article and is not better than nothing, it's a disservive to readers. Reywas92Talk 00:08, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- In order for it to be a merge, some information from the article has to be moved to the new location. There is no evidence of that having been done before your redirection, so
a merge was in fact already done
is also incorrect. (The target at the time of redirection does not show any additional information for the 1930–31 season.) The page was tagged as a WP:STUB, which is explicitly defined as an article in the first sentence of the guideline (and elsewhere). -- Tavix (talk) 12:49, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- In order for it to be a merge, some information from the article has to be moved to the new location. There is no evidence of that having been done before your redirection, so
- Retarget to the list per above. The dispute about whether this was merged versus BLARed and whether it was or was not an article is irrelevant now. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:20, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete because it has nothing that is not already on the list and user will easily find the list without the redirect and we better havce a red link just in case someone wants to create a proper article. Restore is a second choice. - Nabla (talk) 23:24, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. I don't feel that the previous article is worth restoring to at this point, and having the redirect around could be misleading per Jay. The red link may also encourage creation of another article that can be assessed against the notability guidelines. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 18:49, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per Josh. The redirect is plausable, the rationale for deletion is not – if an editor would like to see redirects highlighted "for creation" there are wiki settings for that reason. Respublik (talk) 09:45, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- To annote a potential argument on D10, it's my interpretation that the rule is mainly for DAB-able R, R typos, R misplellings, R usable synonyms/search terms, etc. that could have a double use, rather than for the super specific redirects that have only one target. Respublik (talk) 10:25, 15 July 2024 (UTC)