Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion
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Miscellany for deletion (MfD) is a place where Wikipedians decide what should be done with problematic pages in the namespaces which aren't covered by other specialized deletion discussion areas. Items sent here are usually discussed for seven days; then they are either deleted by an administrator or kept, based on community consensus as evident from the discussion, consistent with policy, and with careful judgment of the rough consensus if required.
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Information on the process[edit]
What may be nominated for deletion here:
- Pages not covered by other XFD venues, including pages in these namespaces: Draft:, Help:, Portal:, MediaWiki:, Wikipedia: (including WikiProjects), User:, TimedText: and the various Talk: namespaces
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Please familiarize yourself with the following policies[edit]
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Archived discussions[edit]
A list of archived discussions can be located at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Archived debates.
Current discussions[edit]
- Pages currently being considered for deletion are indexed by the day on which they were first listed. Please place new listings at the top of the section for the current day. If no section for the current day is present, please start a new section.
July 5, 2024[edit]
User:MANJESH MANN[edit]
A stupid copy of Denim, mixed with some additional text that given the broken formatting was almost certainly copied from somewhere else on the internet. Flounder fillet (talk) 01:51, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
User:Walwal20/RfC Hartley Jackson[edit]
This nomination is for IP user 101.186.135.169, who stated "Abandoned RfC draft - user hasn't edited in over three years" in a PROD. PROD can only be used for actual articles and IPs can't start deletion discussions, so I'm posting it for them. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 00:24, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
July 4, 2024[edit]
Draft:Chioma Avril Rowland[edit]
A non-notable figure recently appeared in the news due to being engaged to a notable singer, thus WP:INHERITED. It's unreasonable to maintain the draft, which has already been deleted through previous discussions as well as here. I tagged it for speedy deletion, but since it seems difficult to process, I am bringing it here. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 19:51, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
User:Sarkarshubham[edit]
Copy of an old version of Jalebi. Flounder fillet (talk) 01:59, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - Even if the appearance of the copy isn't stupid, the act of making the unnecessary copy is itself stupid. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:17, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, but perhaps we shouldn't get into the habit of using the word "stupid." Newyorkbrad (talk) 07:32, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
User:Mutopai west papua[edit]
Stupid copy of an old version of Free Papua Movement. Flounder fillet (talk) 01:46, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - Like all stupid copies, it is also a redundant fork. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:15, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
July 3, 2024[edit]
Draft:FUN 2 RHYME[edit]
This article about a "meme song" has no references or citations and appears like the song is not eligible nor popular enough as a meme or trend to be recognized by the Wikipedia community. Meltdown reverter (talk) 18:26, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - This is a draft, and should be declined or rejected. Drafts do not need to be nominated for deletion from the New Page queue for notability or sanity reasons, as explained in this essay. Is the nominator a new New Page Patrol reviewer who thought that drafts should be reviewed for sanity? Robert McClenon (talk) 21:39, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Draft:Ayesha Erotica[edit]
Proposing redirect to Ayesha Erotica. This draft cites no reliable sources and is loaded with original research and unverified information; every reliable source is covered in the mainspace article. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 10:57, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. Completely agreed, A draft with no reliable sources shouldn't be accepted to Wikipedia, according to the policies. The draft might be a copy with terrible sourcing. Meltdown reverter (talk) 18:42, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: The draft predates the article by around 8 months and has a substantial number of edits again predating the article. Is a WP:HISTMERGE in order? Curbon7 (talk) 19:55, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Why would we merge? It has no sources, and its authorship has no overlap. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 22:39, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Ayesha Erotica. I made a mistake in reviewing this draft, because I didn't check whether the references were any good. It appears that none of them are any good, and I should have included that as a reason to decline, and probably should not have tagged the draft and the article to be merged. There is no need for a history merge, because it appears that the article was created bona fide and is not borrowing from the draft. The draft should just be blanked and redirected to the article. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:33, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
July 2, 2024[edit]
Template:User Generation Alpha[edit]
Our article defines the oldest members of Gen Alpha as having been born in 2010 (or arguably later). Given our Oversight policy against such age disclosures, this userbox should not exist as it just invites people to disclose information about themselves they shouldn't. When the older range of gen Alpha matures into being of an age where self disclosure is not seen as so harmful this teimplate could obviously be re-created. Barkeep49 (talk) 18:56, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Back when I made the article a few years, I never considered this, a huge oversight on my part. I guess I was eager to contribute something to this site, however short-sighted I was. I suppose it is too early for the infobox to exist. I am ok with whatever outcome comes of this discussion. -Shift674-🌀 contribs 21:11, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Barkeep misrepresents policy. There is nothing wrong with minors disclosing that they are minors. The fact of being a minor is not identifying information. The suppression of clear identification of being a minor is a net negative, because it prevents most people from noticing that minors are minors, allowing predators of minors, who tune into more subtle cues, to act with reduced visibility. Children are safest open to widespread public view. Children are not safest when hidden away. SmokeyJoe (talk) 10:15, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- It is established practice for the Oversight team to suppress disclosures of personal information and to suppress disclosures of age by minors. It is a reason in the drop-down menu and of the last 1,000 suppression entries, age-related suppressions take up around 19%. That practice started before my tenure on the Oversight team and will probably continue after my departure. Given the risks faced by minors on the internet and current Oversight team practice, I do not see how it would be responsible to let more people notice that someone is a minor and do not see how retention of this template would work. (Note that this issue came to my attention in my capacity as an Oversighter). Sdrqaz (talk) 19:11, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Think of the children? Erring on the side of overnighting minors’ ill-considered releases of personal data makes sense. Forbidding minors from self identifying as minors does not. SmokeyJoe (talk) 21:53, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Not all minors are forbidden from self-disclosure or put another way not all self-disclousres from under 18s are oversighted. The exceptions that are made are far more common the closer you get to 18. The oldest a self identified Gen Alpha is going to be at this point is 14 an age for which onwiki self-disclosures are nearly always going to be OS'ed. In fact I am aware of more 14 year-old editors who have been OS'ed blocked in the last year than 14 year-old editors whose self-disclosures were ultimately allowed to stand (the latter category being 1). Barkeep49 (talk) 00:37, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- It seems the oversighters have been making this stuff, pseudopolicy, up for years, without reference either to community discussion or child safety evidence. Did oversighters ever have a proper discussion, or did the practice just evolve into existence?
- For better child safety, children benefit from looking like children due to bystander security. Grooming doesn’t happen in view of other adults.
- I guess there is probably WMF assumed responsibility to protect children from revealing self-identifying information, which is probably only very good, but extrapolating this to mere identification as a minor, otherwise anonymous, goes beyond the optimum. SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:18, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Not all minors are forbidden from self-disclosure or put another way not all self-disclousres from under 18s are oversighted. The exceptions that are made are far more common the closer you get to 18. The oldest a self identified Gen Alpha is going to be at this point is 14 an age for which onwiki self-disclosures are nearly always going to be OS'ed. In fact I am aware of more 14 year-old editors who have been OS'ed blocked in the last year than 14 year-old editors whose self-disclosures were ultimately allowed to stand (the latter category being 1). Barkeep49 (talk) 00:37, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Think of the children? Erring on the side of overnighting minors’ ill-considered releases of personal data makes sense. Forbidding minors from self identifying as minors does not. SmokeyJoe (talk) 21:53, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- It is established practice for the Oversight team to suppress disclosures of personal information and to suppress disclosures of age by minors. It is a reason in the drop-down menu and of the last 1,000 suppression entries, age-related suppressions take up around 19%. That practice started before my tenure on the Oversight team and will probably continue after my departure. Given the risks faced by minors on the internet and current Oversight team practice, I do not see how it would be responsible to let more people notice that someone is a minor and do not see how retention of this template would work. (Note that this issue came to my attention in my capacity as an Oversighter). Sdrqaz (talk) 19:11, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Not sure about Joe's idea that this userbox is a child safety tool in the face of predators who can notice children expertly, but it doesn't apparently violate any policy, and anyone is allowed to disclose their age on Wikipedia. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 11:00, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- No one is asking the children to "hide away". In fact I want them to edit and do so without issue and having your user page oversighted and having to receive a "don't do that" from an oversighter sure seems like a disinecentive to a child editing. No one needs to know anyone's age on wikipedia to be an editor - there are maybe 5 editors who knows how old I am (though many more could guess my general age). So yes let's have children editors and yes let's protect children editors from choices that they don't have all the information to make and yes let's not create a honeypot for child predators. Barkeep49 (talk) 00:39, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. As others have said, it is long-established that we suppress personal details (that's what this is, it's personal information about the age of a user) where users may not realise that such information is public or don't fully understand the potential consequences of making such a disclosure (for example, minors). This is done in policy under OSPOL#1. A template like this which (currently) can only serve to identify individuals as minors should be deleted since it misleads minors (and clearly others too) into thinking that disclosure of personal information like this is acceptable, and is useless anyway since every single transclusion of this template will be suppressed by the Oversight team when we become aware of it. Keeping it around is at best making more work for others, and at worst exposing personal details potentially forever opening them up to identity theft, stalking, harassment, etc in later life. stwalkerster (talk) 22:16, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- To the extent that what you write is reasonable, the answer is to privately give advice to the minor, to possibly request verification of receipt of advice to parents from their guardian. To simply delete the template seems more to satisfy a wish to be able deny responsibility of protection of children. SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:22, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- I have never said this to anyone on wiki before: fuck you for saying that I am trying to deny responsibility for protecting children. Above you suggest that children benefit from looking like children in the presence of adults. This presumes that the grooming is going to happen onwiki which is, in my experience, a faulty assumption. More likely the Wikipedia groomer is going to find their target onwiki and then do the actual work offwiki (such as via email or Discord). This template would make identifying such potential targets easier which is why I am seeking its deletion. I 100% believe you have good intentions and child safety on your mind and fuck you for not believing the same about me. Barkeep49 (talk) 01:12, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- To the extent that what you write is reasonable, the answer is to privately give advice to the minor, to possibly request verification of receipt of advice to parents from their guardian. To simply delete the template seems more to satisfy a wish to be able deny responsibility of protection of children. SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:22, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per above Babysharkboss2 was here!! Dr. Wu is NOT a Doctor! 20:41, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
Template:User access level changes[edit]
Single-page content with no template parameters. Copy into that page for ease of maintenance, then delete this template. [Note: It looks like this was put in MFD by Twinkle automatically instead of TFD. It's fine to discuss it here, since it's really page content for the Wikipedia space, not a real template.] – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:54, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak Keep pending an explanation that I understand of why it should be deleted. If the issue is that it has no template parameters and is not used as a template, why not Move it to Wikipedia space, which will preserve history? Robert McClenon (talk) 18:04, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Move to Wikipedia:User access levels/User access level changes and let it be transcluded on the primary page. This could just as easily have been a talk page discussion or even a unilateral move, and no one would have cared. Primefac (talk) 18:08, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
User:Samrajaugustin[edit]
Copy of WP:PAGEHIST. Flounder fillet (talk) 03:25, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - This is a stupid copy with all of the formatting, which is less stupid than the usual stupid copy, but still stupid. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:52, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment wouldn't that just make it a copy? ꧁Zanahary꧂ 11:02, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - Even if the appearance of the copy isn't stupid, the existence of the copy is stupid. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:19, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment wouldn't that just make it a copy? ꧁Zanahary꧂ 11:02, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - I have written an essay, WP:Stupid copies, because these keep being found and nominated for deletion. Other editors are welcome to cite the essay, which summarizes the policy reasons why the stupid copies are stupid, and to expand the essay if that is thought appropriate. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:52, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
User:Abhishektamta[edit]
Copy of Hacker. Flounder fillet (talk) 03:22, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. This is a stupid copy that is an unformatted redundant fork. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:47, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
User:Samson Sammyrex[edit]
Copy of The Castle of Otranto. Flounder fillet (talk) 03:20, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. This is a stupid copy that is an unformatted redundant fork. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:46, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
User:Aakaash soni[edit]
Copy of DNA. Flounder fillet (talk) 03:16, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. This is a stupid copy that is an unformatted redundant fork. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:45, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
User:Ashleestrobel[edit]
Copy of Michael Jackson. Flounder fillet (talk) 03:14, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. This is a stupid copy that is an unformatted redundant fork.
User:Kassandra Fernandez[edit]
Copy of an old version of Glaiza de Castro. Flounder fillet (talk) 02:48, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. This is a stupid copy that is an unformatted redundant fork. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:09, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
July 1, 2024[edit]
Draft:Dzelo[edit]
Clearly not of encyclopedic value. Article for Cyrillic letter dzelo already exists, draft filled with gibberish and random references. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 05:03, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: This draft would have been deleted via WP:G13 in 2 weeks had you not nominated it. Curbon7 (talk) 21:46, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
June 30, 2024[edit]
Draft:Sols rng[edit]
Attempted creation of a Roblox Wikipedia/game guide within actual Wikipedia. Zinnober9 (talk) 13:15, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Not of help to building an encyclopedia. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 05:06, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. As a ROBLOX player myself, I have high suspicion that this game will never, ever, become notable by Wikipedia's standards, which applies to nearly every roblox game out there. This is just a copy of fandom's Sol's RNG wiki home page. mwwv converse∫edits 18:07, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
June 29, 2024[edit]
Draft:Love Mocktail 2 (2024)[edit]
This draft is a modified copy of Love Mocktail 2 except it is for the Telugu language release of the film. I've repaired the attribution but there is no need for a separate article on a different language release. Normally, I would redirect the draft to to the main space article but feel that the disambiguated title is actively misleading as this is a film that was released originally in 2022. Whpq (talk) 13:36, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Love Mocktail 2. The incorrect date in the title in a draft is not worth worrying about. If someone wants to change it, RFD is thataway. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:07, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
Old business[edit]
Everything below this point is old business; the 7-day review period that began 02:10, 28 June 2024 (UTC) ended today on 5 July 2024. Editors may continue to add comments until the discussion is closed but they should keep in mind that the discussion below this marker may be closed at any time without further notice. Discussions that have already been closed will be removed from the page automatically by Legobot and need no further action. |
June 26, 2024[edit]
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Neklyudov, Sergei Yuryevich |
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The result of the discussion was: redirect * Pppery * it has begun... 15:01, 4 July 2024 (UTC) Draft:Neklyudov, Sergei Yuryevich[edit]Abandoned draft of a banned user - Altenmann >talk 09:19, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
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