Talk:Tamil Nadu

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Legislature: Use of "de jure" and "de facto"

I wonder about the use of "de jure" and "de facto" in the Legislature section, for a few reasons. First, as a general style rule, I always prefer to avoid Latin terms if at all possible, in the interest of Wikipedia:Readers first. If we can express a concept in English, I think that is preferable. Second, "de facto" is an ambiguous term, as shown by the Wikipedia article De facto (not a reliable source, but a good outline of the term). "De facto" can mean without legal authority, but followed in practice, but it can also mean a government leader who usurps constitutional authority and rules without legal authority.

Neither of those apply here. The powers of the Governor, the Chief Minister, and the Council of Ministers are set out in the Constitution. The Constitution vests the executive power of the state in the Governor (art 154), but it also provides that the executive power can be exercised "through officers subordinate to him in accordance with this Constitution". The Constitution also provides for the Council of Ministers, headed by the Chief Minister (art 163(1)), and the Governor is to act on the advice of the Council of Ministers, except on the powers which are expressly stated to be in the Governor's discretion (art 163(2)). The Chief Minister's powers aren't "de facto".

I appreciate that it can be difficult to quickly explain a parliamentary system of this sort, similar to the Westminster system, but I think it would be best to avoid "de jure" and "de facto". How about the following:

In accordance with the Constitution of India, the Governor of Tamil Nadu is appointed by the President of India. The Governor of the state is vested with the executive authority of the state. However, on most matters the Governor is required to act on the advice of the Chief Minister and the Council of Ministers, meaning that the actual governmental powers are largely exercised by the ministers, who are drawn from the group or groups which have a majority in the elected Legislative Assembly, and who are responsible to the Assembly. The Indian Councils Act etc.

I don't have a copy of the current edition of Basu which you cite, but I think that proposed summary is consistent with my old copy (12th ed.).

I've also noticed that note 165, Chapter I, Constitution of India (PDF), is a dead link. Would this cite be a good substitute? https://legislative.gov.in/constitution-of-india/ Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 22:53, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Edited to Add: the sentence about the Indian Councils Act says that the Madras Presidency legislative council was a mere advisory body – to whom? The Governor of Madras Presidency, or the Viceroy? I wasn't sure? Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 23:17, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Law and order heading

I wonder about the use of the term "Law and order" both in the heading and in the section. The term can have ideological significance, at least in North America and maybe the UK, as discussed in Law and order (politics). How about changing the section heading to "Courts and policing", and in the section itself, "is responsible for law enforcement in the state"? Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 23:28, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

This was new to me and was interesting to know that it has a different meaning. In general parlance, Law and Order refers to the preservation of the rule of law, as the first line mentions in the corresponding page. In Indian parlance, Law and order is the common term used to refer policing and courts. It is commonly used in the media 1, 2, 3 and in the official naming convention of the police: The general policing is referred to as police - law and order 4. So my opinion is to keep it as is and simple as per common usage. Magentic Manifestations (talk) 05:00, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

That makes sense. I agree - follow Indian usage in an article about India. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 13:03, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 July 2024

Please update the paragraph under Cuisine section

"Palani Panchamirtham, Ooty varkey, Kovilpatti Kadalai Mittai and Srivilliputhur Palkova are unique foods that have been recognized as Geographical Indications" to "Manapparai Murukku, Palani Panchamirtham, Ooty varkey, Kovilpatti Kadalai Mittai and Srivilliputhur Palkova are unique foods that have been recognized as Geographical Indications" Keerthivelu (talk) 14:43, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Y Accepted as per the source already cited. Magentic Manifestations (talk) 15:39, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Update GDP and related numbers

I guess its time to update the old numbers of the page, especially GDP which is currently shown as $280 billion, but the wiki page for "Economy of Tamil Nadu" says its $378 billion Economy of Tamil Nadu [1]https://prsindia.org/budgets/states/tamil-nadu-budget-analysis-2022-23. Also related numbers could be updated. Racinghero007 (talk) 18:16, 2 August 2024 (UTC)