Talk:Prime Minister of the United Kingdom

Government coat of arms change

There has been some disagreement on this page as to whether the coat of arms should change to using the Tudor Crown. It has already been accepted that this is the case on most other articles relating to the British government, and I would direct people to take a look at the talk page for talk:Royal coat of arms of the United Kingdom where this has already been discussed.

As for evidence, I would encourage people to look at the website for the College of Arms which states that "It is envisaged that the form of the Crown seen in the new cypher will be adopted as the form used in representations of the Royal Arms", also noting that "the new cypher and new rendering of the Crown will be introduced gradually". The continued use of St Edward's Crown in some instances is therefore not evidence that the new crown has not been adopted. Furthermore, the Tudor crown has already appeared in recent letters patent and in official invitations to the upcoming coronation

DanielMichaelPerry (talk) 15:51, 26 April 2023 (UTC) DanielMichaelPerry (talk) 15:51, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

@DanielMichaelPerry: Which bit of the "D" in WP:BRD is causing you a problem? You ought to give a bit more time for people to read the extensive talk page you linked to above, digest what it says, then respond here before unilaterally imposing your preference. Bazza (talk) 16:05, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for linking this. Was not aware of this process.

DanielMichaelPerry (talk) DanielMichaelPerry (talk) 16:18, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

References

The House of Lords once again has a former prime minister member

The last paragraph on the retirement honours states that no former prime minister is member of the house of lords as of this year. This is (or will very soon be, I'm unclear on the official timeline) no longer the case.

See: [1]https://www.gov.uk/government/people/david-cameron 89.27.237.91 (talk) 23:29, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Start has Prime Minister of United Kingdom non-capitalized?

I'm not exactly sure but shouldn't this be capitalized? Or am I just illiterate? A-37Dragonfly (talk) 03:35, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, this should be capitalised as Prime Minister is a title. Recollect4741 (talk) 21:33, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

See MOS:JOB, it depends on whether it is being used to refer to the generic job or to a specific person. -- DeFacto (talk). 21:53, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank You for pointing that out, glad to be aware even if it is absurd. Recollect4741 (talk) 22:03, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

I think it might stay uncapitalized after reading MOS:JOB but im still not sure A-37Dragonfly (talk) 01:54, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Retirement Honours

The section on retirement honours makes no reference to awards of membership of the Order of Merit or the Order of the Companions of Honour which have been awarded to former prime ministers on or after retirement. Churchill, Attlee, Macmillan and Thatcher were made OM, and Major and Brown were appointed CH, all after they left office. Ulpian2499 (talk) 10:07, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Timing of appointment of PM.

Sir Keir is listed as incumbent PM, but doesn't that happen when the King asks him to form the next Government? DavidFarmbrough (talk) 05:09, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

@DavidFarmbrough: No, in practice he's PM immediately, the constitutional formalism doesn't adjust reality. All processes like COBRA/etc. know that Starmer is now the PM. James F. (talk) 10:25, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

@DavidFarmbrough: Constitutionally, he's not PM until the monarch invites him to form a government, which will happen soon now his predecessor has resigned as PM. Meanwhile, we live in an absolute monarchy ;-), which is nice. Bazza 7 (talk) 10:36, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

To quote specifically from the Cabinet Manual:

The Prime Minister accepts office at a private audience with the Sovereign, at which time the appointment takes effect.

… so I suppose we can hold for the next few minutes, though I'm not sure it serves readers very well. James F. (talk) 10:47, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

[Secondary thread, merging. James F. (talk) 10:53, 5 July 2024 (UTC)]

I understand that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia where people can create or change pages/sections but can there be a rule where people with common sense are able to make changes? Why am I seeing modifications from people changing Rishi Sunak to Keir Starmer when he hasn't resigned as PM officially from HM The King? SferaEbbasta87 (talk) 07:59, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

@SferaEbbasta87: I agree, but it's easy to revert such changes when you see them, as I and others have been doing. It won't be for long. Bazza 7 (talk) 08:01, 5 July 2024 (UTC)