Talk:Race (human categorization)
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Missing "the"?
[edit]"do not support notion of genetically defined races" should be "support _the_ notion"? WilbaAtWikipedia (talk) 03:02, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Yep! Now fixed. Thanks! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:04, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
Conflict between sources and practice
[edit]The article claims there’s a consensus race is social construct, and links to a few statements. However the concept is used all the time in medicine.[1] It seems to me that the references used to support this claim are just one point of view. Mercatorial (talk) 05:41, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- You seem surprised that Wikipedia largely supports one point of view via high levels of protection on articles like these. 2600:8800:2F10:4700:E951:7A93:79F5:280D (talk) 06:06, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
Pseudoscientific (?) categorization
[edit]In the newest revision of this page (5 July 2024) someone changed "categorization..." to "pseudoscientific categorization..." in the beginning of the article, without changing the rest of the definition or adding references. In my opinion, that is a big claim and should at least be cited, if not removed completely, especially because it's the first thing users see after opening the article. Without proper expansion of that claim, I think it does not belong to this article Wojtek703 (talk) 10:19, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- In my opinion, Pseudoscience should be in the very part of Wikipedia where this article is best ordered in. And the historical part can, of course, stay pretty much unaltered.
- In Germany, we - by law - have no concept of race. IMHO people mean ethnicity or phenotype when they say race. Racism does exist, but german law dictates that it stems from pseudoscience, mixing a correlation (not causation) of genotype/phenotype with stereotypes. Back on topic: every single "source" and claim in here should be even stronger scrutinized. FeltFurHeartAndSoulfelt (talk) 13:27, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
Quality of writing
[edit]While I am quite far from being racist and I do want to learn how/why a race is a social construct and I am open to believe it, the first two, being the second one pretty too extensive, sections of this article are about, in essence, 20 times repeating that it is a social construct but 0 times explaining why. Why are physical commonalities in those socially constructed races notoriously common? I fail to possess the motivation to read another 100 notions of the race really but really being a social construct to finish this article in a mere hope there is somewhere deep down at the end some actual explanation. Especially when the social and behavioral commonalities were already repeatedly explained. 2A00:11B7:393D:2B01:3921:D38E:78F8:B105 (talk) 17:11, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
Defining Race
[edit]I think it would be good to include some historical scholarly definitions, such as Blumenbach, Darwin. Private Bean (talk) 06:53, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
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