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Frame around Template:AFL clubs map

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Per WP:BRD, another user says the article looks neater without the frame. I'm not terribly worked up about it but could I have a second opinion please. Moondyne (talk) 15:33, 27 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Team section

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4TheWynne has been reverting my updates of the team table. I have been using the team table formatting style of the professional sporting competitions of the United States. These tables are simple covering only the relevant details. The old table was starting to get overloaded with information such as previous years membership figures which is excessive and likely contravenes Wikipedia rules. I see no reason why the new table is not preferable to the old table. Other professional sporting competitions do not provide tables for old franchises instead linking to pages for defunct teams of the competition in question. This is more efficient.Thejoebloggsblog (talk) 13:08, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Current clubs

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State Team Moniker City Arena Capacity Founded Joined Head coach
Australian Football League
New South Wales Greater Western Sydney Giants Sydney Giants Stadium 24,000 2009 2012 (AFL) Leon Cameron
Sydney Swans Swans Sydney Sydney Cricket Ground 48,000 1874 (VFA)^ 1897 (AFL)+ John Longmire
Queensland Brisbane Lions Lions Brisbane The Gabba 42,000 1996 1997 (AFL) Chris Fagan
Gold Coast Suns Gold Coast Carrara Stadium 25,000 2009 2011 (AFL) Stuart Dew
South Australia Adelaide Crows Adelaide Adelaide Oval 55,317 1990 1991 (AFL) Vacant
Port Adelaide Power Adelaide Adelaide Oval 55,317 1870 (SANFL)* 1997 (AFL) Ken Hinkley
Victoria Carlton Blues Melbourne Melbourne Cricket Ground 100,024 1864 (VFA)* 1897 (VFL)+ David Teague
Collingwood Magpies Melbourne Melbourne Cricket Ground 100,024 1892 (VFA) 1897 (VFL)+ Nathan Buckley
Essendon Bombers Melbourne Docklands Stadium 56,347 1871 (VFA)* 1897 (VFL)+ John Worsfold
Geelong Cats Geelong Kardinia Park 56,347 1859 (VFA)* 1897 (VFL)+ Chris Scott
Hawthorn Hawks Melbourne Melbourne Cricket Ground 100,024 1902 (VFA) 1925 (VFL) Alastair Clarkson
Melbourne Demons Melbourne Melbourne Cricket Ground 100,024 1858 (VFA)* 1897 (VFL)+ Simon Goodwin
North Melbourne Kangaroos Melbourne Docklands Stadium 56,347 1869 (VFA)* 1925 (VFL) Rhyce Shaw
Richmond Tigers Melbourne Melbourne Cricket Ground 100,024 1885 (VFA) 1908 (VFL) Damien Hardwick
St Kilda Saints Melbourne Docklands Stadium 56,347 1874 (VFA)* 1897 (VFL)+ Brett Ratten
Western Bulldogs Bulldogs Melbourne Docklands Stadium 56,347 1877 (VFA) 1925 (VFL) Luke Beveridge
Western Australia Fremantle Dockers Fremantle Perth Stadium 60,000 1994 1995 (AFL) Justin Longmuir
West Coast Eagles Perth Perth Stadium 60,000 1986 1987 (VFL) Adam Simpson
^ denotes that the club has relocated at some point in its existence
* denotes that the club was a founding member of its former league
+ denotes that the club was a founding member of the VFL

"Aiming to become a national competition"

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I don't believe that the assertion that the league was "aiming to become a national competition" is accurate. While the push for a national competition came from outside of the league, the league's expansion in the 1980s was not driven from an initial desire to become a national competition (there was a lot of resistance to this) but a desire to keep as many of its struggling Victorian clubs financially viable as possible. There was very strong opposition from the very top to the concept of a national competition from within the league. VFL General Manager Alan Schwab was quite outspoken about the risks to the league of expansion. The league wanted a team in Sydney because it saw an opportunity to increase television revenues to prop up the existing clubs and a new market for the unviable Swans. That is also why huge upfront amounts of money for the licenses for the Brisbane Bears and West Coast Eagles in addition to the new TV markets there. If this statement was true it would have granted South Australian and Tasmania licenses back then instead of waiting decades. The more accurate wording would be "Aiming to increase its broadcase audience and keep as many Victorian clubs viable as possible". Most sources suggest that it wasn't until the 1990s that the VFL realised the the Victorian clubs could not remain viable long term and Oakley began to make way for more non-Victorian clubs by actively encouraging the Victorian clubs to merge. Rulesfan (talk) 03:40, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

AFL has an RFC

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AFL has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. echidnaLives - talk - edits 11:20, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

AFL as competition or company

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There's a dispute over whether the lead should characterise the AFL as competition or company. It should be the former.

Looking at the rest of the article, it overwhelmingly talks about the AFL as competition, not as company. The wording characterising the AFL as competition has been stable for many years and was changed without discussion only months back. There is a sense in which you could talk about the AFL as company, but this is not what the term "AFL" is commonly understood to refer to except in corporate (and similar) contexts.

I'm getting deja vu from a similar discussion for the NBL. – Teratix 05:21, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]