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Seems to be close paraphrasing of this source (search for "attached"). Suggest the hookier: ... that Crystal Castles canceled their studio recording plans for "Not in Love" because of Robert Smith's demo vocals? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 05:31, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done BorgQueen (talk) 05:47, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gonzo fan2007, I think it would have been worth discussing this edit here at ERRORS before unilaterally changing the hook while live on the MP. Barring any obvious BLP problems or gross oversights on the part of the people involved, I don't think it was worth doing an end-run around their decision. The hook might be counterintuitive, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's not verifiable and interesting. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 09:51, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • I concur with the decision to amend the wording. Other than possibly on April Fool's Day, we shouldn't be posting deliberately misleading hooks. "Donatello was not a Bardi" is incorrect, as his surname was Bardi.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:06, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    WP:FULL (which is part of the protection policy) says, Modifications to a fully protected page can be proposed on its talk page (or at another appropriate forum) for discussion. So, yeah, unilateral edits to hooks already on the main page are contrary to policy without discussing it here first. If something were demonstrably wrong, or a copyvio, or WP:BLP violation, that's one thing. But this was just a disagreement about DYK style so should have been discussed. RoySmith (talk) 12:48, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree with theleekycauldron and RoySmith that the protection policy guides against unilateral edits like the one Gonzo fan2007. To Amakuru's claim that this was a matter of something being factually incorrect, I'm inclined to RoySmith's sense that it's a matter of style. "Donatello was not a Bardi" is analogous to "Kate Bush was not a Bush". It's entirely true that Kate Bush wasn't a member of the Bush political family and that Donatello wasn't part of the Bardi banking family. And the Bardi hook is genuinely about the history of the surname Bardi, as the bolded article (Bardi (surname)) explains that even though surnames were rare in 14th-century Florence, 'Bardi' was common enough that there were famous Bardis who weren't Bardis. I think that considering hooky wording "incorrect" is putting too little faith in the ability of a reader to have a sense of humor and enjoy a laugh. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 13:24, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
     Done I've restored the hook. BorgQueen (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@RoySmith, Hydrangeans, and Theleekycauldron: It was a purposefully misleading hook written in such a way to confuse our readers and be counterintuitive to generate clicks. As Amakuru stated, the plain wording of the hook (without links being able to clarify) is incorrect. The hook relies on a link (to be clear, not even the bolded link) to verify what the hook is actually saying. This is why I expanded the link to Bardi family. I don't even think my change made it that much clearer. If just clicking on the bolded link is needed, ok. That's the point of DYK. But if you have to also click on other links to verify or understand the hook, it is purposefully misleading. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 14:37, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly. The hook is a direct violation of MOS:NOFORCELINK, "The text needs to make sense to readers who cannot follow links". DYK has latitude to make certain jokes, but not those that are direct falsehoods such at this.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:52, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I promoted the hook, but I think that the arguments against it have enough proper reasoning for me to agree with. I don't see it as rising to a direct falsehood though. Maybe the hook can be changed back to the newest one now that the promotor agrees? SL93 (talk) 15:04, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
MOS:NOFORCELINK is part of Wikipedia:Manual of Style, which starts off by saying This Manual of Style (MoS or MOS) is the style manual for all English Wikipedia articles. DYK hooks are not articles. RoySmith (talk) 15:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
RoySmith, that's wikibureacracy at its finest. The intent of our MOS is to make sure that Wikipedia has a consistent approach, layout and style so that it is clear and easily understood. This obviously incldues the Main Page, as the most highly visible part of Wikipedia. It is absurd to state that the MOS only applies to articles and not the portion of Wikipedia that people use to access our articles. The portion right after your quote which you didn't include states (though provisions related to accessibility apply across the entire project, not just to articles). Again, pretty clear the intent of the MOS covers the Main Page. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 16:12, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, just cause I missed it above, a little clarity on the protection policy. If I see a hook I believe is intentionally misleading on the Main Page, as an admin I am well within accepted roles and responsibilities to make a change to correct that issue. And other admins are well within their right to revert. And then we discuss. WP:BRD. My talk page states plainly I am not going to edit war with admin actions. There was no way for me to know there would be controversy with my edit and when I realized there was, I came to the talk page to discuss. Edits to fully protected pages do not require discussion first, which is clear on the plain wording of the policy, as well as past consensus. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 16:18, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Moved to Talk:Queen Anne Pool

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@Schwede66, Yue, and RoySmith: I'm not sure this article is presentable enough for DYK. A huge portion of this article rests on sources connected to the subject, like his old university and the PGA and the U.S. Open – WP:RS requires that articles be based on independent sources. Also, a significant portion of the article is WP:PROSELINE statistics, which read really awkwardly and make the article feel half-finished. I think this should be returned to WP:DYKN for further work. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 09:45, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which article? Schwede66 09:47, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
trout Self-trout sorry, should've specified that it's Max Greyserman :P theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 09:58, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Save a piece of that trout for me, please. I had noted the choppy nature of the text, but let it go. Now that you point it out, I agree that WP:PROSELINE applies. Look like Begüm Pusat from Prep 5 would be a good sports-related replacement, but I'm not in a good place right now to handle the swap. RoySmith (talk) 11:54, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Done. RoySmith (talk) 15:06, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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"an arson" looks wrong to me - shouldn't that be "an arson attack"? wikt:arson says the noun is usually uncountable. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:13, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed, thanks Stephen 07:46, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please replace the image of Neptune's rings with File:Neptune Close Up (NIRCam).jpg, a better and more recent image from the JWST. Thanks, Cremastra (talk) 15:03, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • at "including railway track for the", pls pipe the link to Rail profile. (Per refs, it was just the steel rails not "track" which includes other components eg sleepers etc.) JennyOz (talk) 11:39, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm not certain this is a change that needs to be made. Most people would understand track to mean the rails. We could even unlink it altogether to be honest, it's a fairly well-known concept. The only caveat might be that Americans call it "railroad" instead of "railway", not sure if that's a source of confusion!  — Amakuru (talk) 16:44, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]


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